Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[AddieBoo]

RSBM

Only they weren't linked to murder in the first degree. The following charge could be linked to the Ramseys allowing Fleet White to care in an "intimate way" for their little daughter.



The child abuse is further described as such...



But it really has no bearing since DA found there wasn't enough evidence to take it to trial. GJ's act on a very low standard of proof, which is why they are often inaccurate.

Fleet White was cleared by BPD.


First Degree Murder is what the GJ signed off on. And how many SA cases were given a plea bargain from then DA Alex Hunter in 1996? 63 out of 64. One went to trial. And if you are in the mood to really have your skin crawl and blood boil, read up on those cases. Alex Hunter is a hack annd should be criminally investigated by the AG and I sincerely hope his Karma debt has been multiplied by each case he had anything to do with.

This stock “ well the DA didn’t have enough evidence.,,blah blah blah
Doesn’t cut it anymore. The fact is the Grand Jury could have issued a “no true bill” but they didn’t. They signed off on two (that we know of) indictments with the most damming charges for a human being - much less a parent.

The statute doesn’t run out for murder. Take this case to trial and let a jury reach a verdict. Then we can all hear what Fleet White wants the public to know.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Fleet White was cleared by BPD.


First Degree Murder is what the GJ signed off on. And how many SA cases were given a plea bargain from then DA Alex Hunter in 1996? 63 out of 64. One went to trial. And if you are in the mood to really have your skin crawl and blood boil, read up on those cases. Alex Hunter is a hack annd should be criminally investigated by the AG and I sincerely hope his Karma debt has been multiplied by each case he had anything to do with.

This stock “ well the DA didn’t have enough evidence.,,blah blah blah
Doesn’t cut it anymore. The fact is the Grand Jury could have issued a “no true bill” but they didn’t.

Very different levels of evidence. Even the interviewed Grand Juror agreed that the case didn't have the evidence to win at trial - and that is from a prosecution controlled Grand Jury.

As prosecutor Morrissey said, probable cause is not enough to go to trial.

They signed off on two (that we know of) indictments with the most damming charges for a human being - much less a parent.

They only signed off on four, two for each parents. There are no unreleased signed charges, the remaining 14 didn't reach probable cause.

The statute doesn’t run out for murder. Take this case to trial and let a jury reach a verdict. Then we can all hear what Fleet White wants the public to know.

If this case goes to trial, the Ramseys will be acquitted. And then double jeopardy guarantees they can never be tried again.

Evidence first, trial later.

 

[CloudedTruth]

But that does not look like droplets, does it? To me it looks like the nightgown it is stained and dirty... Could it have been something else than blood? If the blood is described as droplets. I have always thought that the light colored rectangular pieces are the places of the blood stains, and that they were cut out...

To me it looks like there are droplets and some splatter. The white colored squares have the pink stripe pattern running through them, maybe it's from the back inside of the nightie? They don't really look like cutouts to me. But they're all the same size and shape except the one that one that covers part of the B. You can also see on the right side of the nightie (left side of the picture) there is clearly a piece missing from the nightie. Honestly, it's not the best or clearest picture so it's hard to tell. It was tested and was positive for JonBenet's blood, so I think we have to trust the science on that.

It would be nice to see a picture of the original design to compare. But it sure doesn't look like it had been washed and just came out of the dryer.

 

[AddieBoo]

Very different levels of evidence. Even the interviewed Grand Juror agreed that the case didn't have the evidence to win at trial - and that is from a prosecution controlled Grand Jury.

As prosecutor Morrissey said, probable cause is not enough to go to trial.



They only signed off on four, two for each parents. There are no unreleased signed charges, the remaining 14 didn't reach probable cause.



If this case goes to trial, the Ramseys will be acquitted. And then double jeopardy guarantees they can never be tried again.

Evidence first, trial later.

Ramsey’s have not been cleared and will never be cleared unless a jury finds them not guilty. And unless John Ramsey faces a judge and jury the legacy for his family and generations will be those two horrific indictments. Regardless of statute of limitations. MOO

 

[Chimera]

Ramsey’s have not been cleared and will never be cleared unless a jury finds them not guilty. And unless John Ramsey faces a judge and jury the legacy for his family and generations will be those two horrific indictments. Regardless of statute of limitations. MOO

Ita. ^^^

Also to add ; exonerated doesn't mean 'cleared', it means they are not going to bring up evidence that has been sealed.
The public still does not have all of the evidence that the GJ saw.
Being exonerated still means charges can be brought if there's new evidence revealed, or if the sealed evidence is opened.
At the heart of this case is the need for justice for one victim, a little girl.
She was and is the only victim.
Hopefully some day it can be closed.
Omo.

 

[AddieBoo]

Ita. ^^^

Also to add ; exonerated doesn't mean 'cleared', it means they are not going to bring up evidence that has been sealed.
The public still does not have all of the evidence that the GJ saw.
Being exonerated still means charges can be brought if there's new evidence revealed, or if the sealed evidence is opened.
At the heart of this case is the need for justice for one victim, a little girl.
She was and is the only victim.
Hopefully some day it can be closed.

Ita. ^^^

Also to add ; exonerated doesn't mean 'cleared', it means they are not going to bring up evidence that has been sealed.
The public still does not have all of the evidence that the GJ saw.
Being exonerated still means charges can be brought if there's new evidence revealed, or if the sealed evidence is opened.
At the heart of this case is the need for justice for one victim, a little girl.
She was and is the only victim.
Hopefully some day it can be closed.
Omo.

Ramsey has a new Team Ramsey member - his own DNA genealogy lab and wants BPD to hand over DNA crime scene samples to them for testing.

Apparently this lab has a good track record of identifying DNA and finding these perpetrators. They’ve all been dead…but.,hey.

Is that why JR has recently been saying the killer may be dead?

Once those samples are used for testing, they are gone. Hope BPD has those samples under lock and key at an undisclosed location. That is the main topic for the publicized meeting between him and BPD. Ramsey wants to “connect” them with this lab,,,
(CNN) MOO

 

[Tower]

Ramsey has a new Team Ramsey member - his own DNA genealogy lab and wants BPD to hand over DNA crime scene samples to them for testing.

Apparently this lab has a good track record of identifying DNA and finding these perpetrators. They’ve all been dead…but.,hey.

Is that why JR has recently been saying the killer may be dead?

Once those samples are used for testing, they are gone. Hope BPD has those samples under lock and key at an undisclosed location. That is the main topic for the publicized meeting between him and BPD. Ramsey wants to “connect” them with this lab,,,
(CNN) MOO

i think you’re safe. No police department “hands over” DNA, as then it would be utterly useless. Even in a botched case like this one, I trust they’ve learned some lessons in almost 30 years and I trust they’d maintain chain of custody.

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

Th

i think you’re safe. No police department “hands over” DNA, as then it would be utterly useless. Even in a botched case like this one, I trust they’ve learned some lessons in almost 30 years and I trust they’d maintain chain of custody.

You would hope they've learned something, but we are talking about BPD. I still wouldn't trust them to walk my dog.

 

[AddieBoo]

Th

i think you’re safe. No police department “hands over” DNA, as then it would be utterly useless. Even in a botched case like this one, I trust they’ve learned some lessons in almost 30 years and I trust they’d maintain chain of custody.

Amen!

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Ramsey’s have not been cleared and will never be cleared unless a jury finds them not guilty. And unless John Ramsey faces a judge and jury the legacy for his family and generations will be those two horrific indictments. Regardless of statute of limitations. MOO

The indictments are irrelevant. Guilt or innocence is not determined by a Grand Jury and thus the Ramseys are innocent - as they have not been proven guilty.

 

[AddieBoo]

The indictments are irrelevant. Guilt or innocence is not determined by a Grand Jury and thus the Ramseys are innocent - as they have not been proven guilty.

Reality check.

John Ramsey has done nothing to prove his innocence. And now he’s trying to acquire crime scene DNA from BPD to give to his “independent” lab? Hilarious.
The spin on Patsys ransoms letter is no longer working for Ramsey, so now it’s? DNA, DNA.

The GJ indictments for John and Patsy Ramsey are damming. They are public record and will never be erased. The GJ had every opportunity to issue “no true bills”
They did not.
MOO

 

[Ponytale]

To me it looks like there are droplets and some splatter. The white colored squares have the pink stripe pattern running through them, maybe it's from the back inside of the nightie? They don't really look like cutouts to me. But they're all the same size and shape except the one that one that covers part of the B. You can also see on the right side of the nightie (left side of the picture) there is clearly a piece missing from the nightie. Honestly, it's not the best or clearest picture so it's hard to tell. It was tested and was positive for JonBenet's blood, so I think we have to trust the science on that.

It would be nice to see a picture of the original design to compare. But it sure doesn't look like it had been washed and just came out of the dryer.

Yes, the nightgown appears dirty (even too dirty for a nightgown) to me. IMO. It could be that the bad quality of the photo distorts and changes the colors. It is confusing and hard to tell.
I know it is proven to be JBs blood and I agree, I just wondered if there was a better photo available without the cut-outs or the light spots, what ever they are then. But I suppose there is not.
I would also like to see one to know for sure, and hope that it will be published one day. Among many other things...

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Reality check.

John Ramsey has done nothing to prove his innocence.

John Ramsey doesn't have to prove his innocence. The police has to prove his guilt. They have done so.

And now he’s trying to acquire crime scene DNA from BPD to give to his “independent” lab?

What lab is it, and why so you say they're not independent?

Hilarious.
The spin on Patsys ransoms letter is no longer working for Ramsey, so now it’s? DNA, DNA.

The handwriting analysis by the six original ABFDE certified experts was always weaker in pointing to Patsy's guilt than the DNA pointing to an intruder's guilt. Handwriting analysis is subjective. DNA is not.

The GJ indictments for John and Patsy Ramsey are damming.

Not to people who understand how Grand Juries work.

They are public record and will never be erased. The GJ had every opportunity to issue “no true bills”
They did not.
MOO

They didn't return true bills on fourteen out of eighteen charges despite a lower bar for evidence and no defense counters. That says something about how weak the case is.

 

[Ponytale]

Ramsey has a new Team Ramsey member - his own DNA genealogy lab and wants BPD to hand over DNA crime scene samples to them for testing.

Apparently this lab has a good track record of identifying DNA and finding these perpetrators. They’ve all been dead…but.,hey.

Is that why JR has recently been saying the killer may be dead?

Once those samples are used for testing, they are gone. Hope BPD has those samples under lock and key at an undisclosed location. That is the main topic for the publicized meeting between him and BPD. Ramsey wants to “connect” them with this lab,,,
(CNN) MOO

I really hope that they have not found a legal (or not legal) way to override it and have their way again, like so many times before...
But I do see that this is the card that John is playing while going around and talking about testing the DNA again. It would be absolutely why he would do it - get the DNA, test it, "prove" (falsly, by my opinion) that the match is found and dead and get the case closed. Ramsey's, in their opinion, are "cleared" and walk free.
Or if BPD will not hand over the DNA, John can just go on saying publicly that the BPD refuses to cooperate with them and do additional testing that they have asked for.
I just hope that BPD acts smart here.

 

[Ponytale]

The indictments are irrelevant. Guilt or innocence is not determined by a Grand Jury and thus the Ramseys are innocent - as they have not been proven guilty.

Well, as I understand here, “Innocent until proven guilty” refers to a process in a court of law. It does not apply to public opinion.
I just wish John knew that he did not have to go and prove so desperately to the public that he (and Patsy and Burke) are innocent, and could have focused on letting the police prove their guilt. All they have done for 28 years is not letting the BPD prove their guilt. Just because they have not fully cooperated to determine their guilt, does not mean that they are innocent. IMO

 

[Charlot123]

Before JR made his statement, the situation was a stalemate, but a balanced one.

JR was living with his latest wife, BR had a job, maybe a family or not (the internet is mute on this topic), but it has been tacitly admitted, it seems, that the case has been messed up beyond any imagination, and the public would never know the truth and has to accept this fact.

No one would start a case against a person who was a nine-year-old kid with a disability when his sister was killed. JR hImself is an 81-year-old man who, after many tribulations, is living comfortably. Years have shown that he is able to deal with whatever complex emotions the death of JBR might have evoked.

No one is threatening him, in other words.

Why does he need to open the case? He is a logical person - why even drag attention to it? It is not going to make his remaining years any calmer.

I am bouncing between the following:

- there will be nothing truly new to be found, but with all the hoopla, articles, maybe another book or even a lawsuit, money can be made. JR is old, retired and few doubt that were it not for this case, he'd be a much more financially successful. So, it could be that simple. Some financial considerations.

- it could be so that he truly cares about Burke and his future. Whatever we feel about JR, he is not a man who lets "his own" down. Could he, with all his cold logic, care about BR? Especially if it is not "BDI" case, for example? And JR should know?

What else could be his motive?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Well, as I understand here, “Innocent until proven guilty” refers to a process in a court of law. It does not apply to public opinion.

People believe all kinds of things that aren't necessarily true. But I don't see John prioritising public opinion, he is trying to get the case solved because he wants his daughter's killer found.

I just wish John knew that he did not have to go and prove so desperately to the public that he (and Patsy and Burke) are innocent, and could have focused on letting the police prove their guilt.

He doesn't think the police will do their job of finding the actual killer, since they have had exculpatory DNA in their possession since at least 2003. One can quibble about technology, but it also hardly seems like the police have been doing much in the past 20 years.

All they have done for 28 years is not letting the BPD prove their guilt. Just because they have not fully cooperated to determine their guilt, does not mean that they are innocent. IMO

The Innocence Project has dealt with a multitude of cases where people let the police prove their guilt - resulting in wrongful convictions.

 

[Ponytale]

But I don't see John prioritising public opinion, he is trying to get the case solved because he wants his daughter's killer found.

As a RDI yourself, do you actually believe that? Why?

He doesn't think the police will do their job of finding the actual killer, since they have had exculpatory DNA in their possession since at least 2003. One can quibble about technology, but it also hardly seems like the police have been doing much in the past 20 years.

They haven't cooperated since the day it happened, not since 2003. They had every chance to cooperate and let the BPD prove their guilt, but simply just chose not to.

The Innocence Project has dealt with a multitude of cases where people let the police prove their guilt - resulting in wrongful convictions.

Are you saying that we should not let police prove the guilt?

 

[cenazoic]

I think the very fact that the indictments were linked to murder in the first degree

There’s an interesting post on the R site in the JBR subR entitled “The True Bills”.

In it, the poster discusses the case of the Midyette family, which also involved a wealthy family in Boulder with a murdered child (2006), in which the parents were found guilty. The poster discusses that case and the indictments against the parents in the context of the Ramsey indictments.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

You can find a really good summary of reasons so many lean away from IDI theories if you look up « A Rebuttal of Ramsey Misinformation » on Bitchute, including the RN. A rebuttal to Ramsey misinformation regarding the JonBenet investigation

Yes @Slebby … and the plethora of JBR and related threads here. There are IMO too many and would hope they be consolidated. For ease of use and utility in trying to assess and understand this crime and its history. MOO