Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I'm sure the DNA was tested back in 2006/7 against Burke, or anyone else close to JonBenet.

If it matched as Burke's DNA back then, I agree the prosecutors would be in a difficult situation. I think it would take a long and careful process of negotiation and inter-agency consultation to decide how to proceed. But I don't believe they would lie and say it was not tied to anyone known to the case.

I don't believe they can possibly have been just pretending they don't know who's DNA, and carrying on as though the crime hasn't been solved. The interagency Cold Case Task Force would not have spent a year digitizing and reviewing all the documents, if they already know who did it.

JMO

If they had conclusive proof BR was responsible and the public is demanding answers because they have been mislead a bout a kidnapper, what exactly would they say that doesn't tip the public off? They would be forced to lie. The problem as it exists today is that people have access to information. Make it make sense. What verbiage would you use to shield a child's identity when we know he was present at the scene. What words would be truthful and not show your hand?

 

[Simply Caustic]

When it’s said that the Ramsey’s simply can’t be guilty - just impossible! - because of the horrific nature of the crime, and the idea of doing such evil upon one’s own child, I can’t help but wonder if they’ve perused the forum very much…we have cases here where Mom sold their kindergartener into sexual slavery for a few bucks. Cases where a Mom forces a baby into a trash can causing unspeakable injuries to the still-live child. I won’t go on, but I could - and that alone negates any “no parent could do that.” It’s a fallacy.


Imo

 

[Cedars]

If they had conclusive proof BR was responsible and the public is demanding answers because they have been mislead a bout a kidnapper, what exactly would they say that doesn't tip the public off? They would be forced to lie. The problem as it exists today is that people have access to information. Make it make sense. What verbiage would you use to shield a child's identity when we know he was present at the scene. What words would be truthful and not show your hand.

They could just not name him, like in the example below from Illinois.

9-year-old boy charged with 5 counts of murder in trailer fire - National | Globalnews.ca

The boy is accused of killing a one-year-old, two two-year-olds, a 34-year-old man and a 69-year-old woman at the Timberline Mobile Home Park, 240 kilometres southwest of Chicago.

globalnews.ca

"It was a heavy decision,” Minger said. “It’s a tragedy, but at the end of the day, it’s charging a very young person with one of the most serious crimes we have. But I just think it needs to be done at this point, for finality".

People who are actually out there working as prosecutors do not possess rigid, closed minds, fixated on rules. They understand the larger picture and are mentally flexible in deciding what is most appropriate in each specific circumstance.

JMO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

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A stun gun would make her scream
A stun gun doesn’t render a person unconscious.
Don’t forget the pineapple snack - make that work with the stun gun.

May I add, a stun gun is loud.
Anyone in Le would know this. I'm guessing JRs melatonin had him in a stupor so he didn't hear it.

 

[Cedars]

When it’s said that the Ramsey’s simply can’t be guilty - just impossible! - because of the horrific nature of the crime, and the idea of doing such evil upon one’s own child, I can’t help but wonder if they’ve perused the forum very much…we have cases here where Mom sold their kindergartener into sexual slavery for a few bucks. Cases where a Mom forces a baby into a trash can causing unspeakable injuries to the still-live child. I won’t go on, but I could - and that alone negates any “no parent could do that.” It’s a fallacy.


Imo

Certainly, I'm not saying a parent cannot kill their child, I've followed many such cases. The married doctor in New Zealand who murdered all 3 of her daughters in cold blood. The young mothers like Darlie Routie, the fathers like Chris Watts. They are legion, and they are all guilty.

They all wanted to get rid of their children, or a particular child.

ETA: and they were caught and prosecuted, often very soon after the crime

But none of them committed a sadistic sexual assault against their child...or perhaps someone did and he/she has been proven to be a sexual sadist in other aspects of their life.

Sexual sadism including murder is, IMO, what this crime is.

JMO

 

[crussell821]

I think that hasn't been emphasized enough. Maybe people are too nice to want to dwell on it. This bore the signs an extremely violent, sexual, sadistic torture killing. Not just oops, a little bang on the head, by a family member or intruder.

ETA: "JonBenet Ramsey was the apparent victim of a forceful sexual attack in the minutes before she was strangled to death - an attack that left her body scraped and bruised" Jon Benet Ramsey Investigation: The Denver Post Online

To me, it seems crazy to think that a mother, who had been a perfectly caring, normal mother beforehand, would snap a paintbrush in half and sexually assault her 6 year old daughter with it (while she’s still alive, no less) to cover up a crime scene. I don’t buy it. MOO

 

[Cedars]

May I add, a stun gun is loud.
Anyone in Le would know this. I'm guessing JRs melatonin had him in a stupor so he didn't hear it.

<modsnip>

If the medical examiner/police thought a stun was used, the forensic pathologist should have been asked to investigate that theory at the time they were examining her body. If confirmed, police should have tried to track the sales of stun guns in the community and surrounding areas, and investigated any suspects for ownership of a stun gun.

Crimes have been solved using those kinds of techniques.

But it's far too late for that.

A stun gun is just one of many possible ways a child could be subdued. Duct tape and rope, moving quickly, promising puppies, a fake gun, the possibilities are endless and therefore that aspect of the case, IMO, should just be dismissed as something only the perp knows.

JMO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

They could just not name him, like in the example below from Illinois.

9-year-old boy charged with 5 counts of murder in trailer fire - National | Globalnews.ca

The boy is accused of killing a one-year-old, two two-year-olds, a 34-year-old man and a 69-year-old woman at the Timberline Mobile Home Park, 240 kilometres southwest of Chicago.

globalnews.ca

"It was a heavy decision,” Minger said. “It’s a tragedy, but at the end of the day, it’s charging a very young person with one of the most serious crimes we have. But I just think it needs to be done at this point, for finality".

People who are actually out there working as prosecutors do not possess rigid, closed minds, fixated on rules. They understand the larger picture and are mentally flexible in deciding what is most appropriate in each specific circumstance.

JMO

That is an assumption that one prosecutor would have the same attorneys and people higher up on the food chain saying don't release the information. Please show we're Illinois law is the same as Colorado law pertaining to a minor under age 10

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Certainly, I'm not saying a parent cannot kill their child, I've followed many such cases. The married doctor in New Zealand who murdered all 3 of her daughters in cold blood. The young mothers like Darlie Routie, the fathers like Chris Watts. They are legion, and they are all guilty.

They all wanted to get rid of their children, or a particular child.

ETA: and they were caught and prosecuted, often very soon after the crime

But none of them committed a sadistic sexual assault against their child...or perhaps someone did and he/she has been proven to be a sexual sadist in other aspects of their life.

Sexual sadism including murder is, IMO, what this crime is.

JMO

Except you are calling it sexual sadism but you don't know whether it was indeed that, or staging, or inappropriate exploration by a minor. How can you prove any one of these scenerios?

 

[Slebby]

If son did it..parents cover up so they dont lose both her and the son. By him getting in trouble. The person writing the ransom note ( mrs,if you ask me) only could be the people who knew of mr. Bonus. Mom writes note to protect son

As parents, I think it’s possible the Rs would cover for BR, not just to keep him from being in trouble, or fear of “losing him”. I just think, if JBR’s death was a horrible accident/result of angrily lashing out at the hands of BR, they wouldn’t want him to carry that guilt for the rest of his life. In other words, they shielded him from bearing that.
IMO
Edit to add: in fact, I think it’s possible, to this day, that BR is unaware he is responsible. He may have struck his sister, gone to bed, and not given it another thought. The cover up (ransom note etc.) adds color to the night that would removed any thought from his mind that he killed his sister.

 

[Slebby]

Re BR dna - if his dna was on JBR, that to me is a big nothing burger - they were siblings, lived in the same house, played together. I’d be shocked if JBR wasn’t covered in dna from PR, JR, and BR, along with lots of folks interacted with over previous days (yes, including toilet seats)
IMO

 

[Lamima]

As parents, I think it’s possible the Rs would cover for BR, not just to keep him from being in trouble, or fear of “losing him”. I just think, if JBR’s death was a horrible accident/result of angrily lashing out at the hands of BR, they wouldn’t want him to carry that guilt for the rest of his life. In other words, they shielded him from bearing that.
IMO
Edit to add: in fact, I think it’s possible, to this day, that BR is unaware he is responsible. He may have struck his sister, gone to bed, and not given it another thought. The cover up (ransom note etc.) adds color to the night that would removed any thought from his mind that he killed his sister.

I just said the same to my hubby. He watched the latest show and was buying the IDI theory that the show was pushing.

 

[Lamima]

Re BR dna - if his dna was on JBR, that to me is a big nothing burger - they were siblings, lived in the same house, played together. I’d be shocked if JBR wasn’t covered in dna from PR, JR, and BR, along with lots of folks interacted with over previous days (yes, including toilet seats)
IMO

Also...Regarding the panty and paintbrush DNA...could be innocent explanations there too. Panties could be from manufacturing/shipping/selling since I think it was touch DNA (skin cells likely) and they were brand new/unwashed from package as I understand it. Paintbrush may also be touch DNA and could be from a painter/handyman. I wish they would do ancestry DNA to find the contributors and I bet it would be very telling and not lead to the killer. JMO!

The biggest red flag is the ransom note, to me. That makes me rule out the IDI theory. It was lengthy and written with dramatic flair and written on a notepad from the home. Think, even, that notepad had been put back away in a drawer...I think is what was said. Plus the ransom amount being close to the bonus.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yet experts who had actual experience with stun guns say the marks match. And it is trivially easy to find similar marks from stun guns in news articles.



Since melted adhesive was found in one of the marks on her cheek, her mouth would have been taped when the stun gun was applied.



It is used to subdue. As in the Jaycee Dugard case.



What pineapple snack? Her duodenum contained pineapple, cherries and grapes. She ate that at some point on Christmas day, but since the bowl left out on the breakfast table only had pineapple, it can't be the source of her last meal.

Food digests at different rates. You would need digestion rates for each food to make determine the of ingestion and digestion.
Average rate being 2-6 hours in the duodenum.
Same goes for the stomach.
This is very difficult to pin down.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Hypothesizing and MOO:

I think it could be someone very close to the family who was familiar with what was happening in their life, familiar with the house and their habits. Could have even been a female or minor/friend who was close to BR.

He/she may have even come in through the window as a red herring to stage/look like a B&E.
He/she knew where the notepad was kept as had been around the family before in the house.
He/she knew Patsy's personality/handwriting and about the Christmas bonus $$ amount because they were close to family.
He/she could have been an acquaintance/worker for JR, or a friend of BR or female friend of the family.

I also think the paint brush could be 2 things:
1. A juvenile family friend being sexually perverse/curious and maybe even did this to JB in the past in secret (hence signs of previous abuse - not from brother or parents but a close friend who was a minor)
2. Was a red herring/after thought after things went wrong to look like an attempted SA and mislead LE

The only stranger I could think of knowing all these things would be maybe an employee of JR or a female who didn't like the Ramsey family, but I can't shake this was someone close.

 

[eishish]

As the theory goes, it was Burke that was sexually abusing her and Patsy knew about it. There was indeed an effort to clean up JonBenet, wipe her down and re-dress her…and make it look like something else entirely.

Def believe he was abuser. Physically we know. At times even a frkend put up to atrocieties d be the dna doner. It cld be so many angles.

 

[eishish]

Certainly, I'm not saying a parent cannot kill their child, I've followed many such cases. The married doctor in New Zealand who murdered all 3 of her daughters in cold blood. The young mothers like Darlie Routie, the fathers like Chris Watts. They are legion, and they are all guilty.

They all wanted to get rid of their children, or a particular child.

ETA: and they were caught and prosecuted, often very soon after the crime

But none of them committed a sadistic sexual assault against their child...or perhaps someone did and he/she has been proven to be a sexual sadist in other aspects of their life.

Sexual sadism including murder is, IMO, what this crime is.

JMO

With the violent grab of shirt, blow to the head, ending up w embedded cord and paintbrush used sexually. Yes. For sure

 

[Funky funky]

I haven’t posted on here in so long. Saddened & disappointed by the Netflix series, a lot are buying it. JR is very agitated on another SM site . I hope JonBenet receives her justice.

 

[arielilane]

@billhuffman3

We can only hope. But, TBH, it feels like they say this about certain cases every year, especially when there was the Netflix doc and the anniversary. Also, the NY Post is a tabloid so not sure I trust the source. Just my opinion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863717932628328719

 

[T rex]

Innocent people do not attempt to flee half way across the country when their daughter lays dead in their living room floor.

Innocent people do not allow their child to remain alone in another part of a house that has not been thoroughly searched while believing that their daughter has just been abducted from said house.

Whatever was used to wipe JBR down with has never been identified, until what time that it is any DNA may be questionable.

I have asked before and I will ask again. If a donor match is ever made to the DNA and this person is charged with a crime related to this case would it be fair for this person to demand the unsealing of the GJ testimony to be used in their defense?

And what if this person has a solid alibi?

I seriously doubt if JR really wants this DNA to ever be matched to anyone. It's likely he would rather this case hang in limbo for eternity and he can continue on using this DNA to proclaim his innocence.