Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[lonetraveler]

JonBenét Ramsey's murder case has recently come to light due to a Netflix documentary – but now her dad has claimed her murderer was a hired hitman and ex-employee off his?

Is that true a ex-employee that was fired hired a hitman to get his money ?

JonBenét Ramsey's dad claims daughter was killed by a hitman

JonBenet Ramsey's dad suggests daughter’s killer motivated by money in resurfaced interview​

JonBenet Ramsey's dad suggests daughter’s killer motivated by money in resurfaced interview

I have a problem with this suggestion that his daughter's killer was motivated by money. Is this suggesting that the killer could assume that JonBenet Ramsey's body would not be found prior to him receiving the ransom money? With her body right there in the house? I just can't see the killer being that stupid. And, also taking the time to take her from her room, sexually assault her, fashion a garrot and using it and then leaving the house and of course forgetting the kidnapped victim. Doesn't make any sense to me at all, thus the reason I don't believe that a killer entered the house, I think there was a coverup of the murder of JonBenet. JMO

 

[Vaderman]

I've never followed this case closely, but essentially grew up with it as an ever present story. I've oft wondered if the truth is a confluence of the theories: that someone (known or unknown to the family) killed her, that the family stumbled upon her body, assumed the worst, and made efforts to influence the crime scene.

 

[AddieBoo]

"The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin." do you have proof or is this just your opinion?

Let’s put our faith in the investigative Grand Jury who met for 13 months and heard ALL the evidence including the “intruder” theory. Yet they voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on two counts each. Child abuse resulting in death and coverup. There may be other indictments but they are sealed. Any clues on how the Grand Jury files are sealed? Ask Fleet White….

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Let’s put our faith in the investigative Grand Jury who met for 13 months and heard ALL the evidence including the “intruder” theory. Yet they voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on two counts each. Child abuse resulting in death and coverup. There may be other indictments but they are sealed. Any clues on how the Grand Jury files are sealed? Ask Fleet White….

Yes @AddieBoo …. and it is IMO so, so, so unfortunate that for whatever reason those GJ charges were not allowed to proceed. And that action could have resulted in depositions, evidence, testimony, and other learnings. That might have helped clarify exactly what happened in that residence. And led to other essential evidence and charges. As a means to ‘justice’ for the deceased child JBR.

And equally sad and unfortunate, IIUC there might now be at least six or seven different JBR / Ramsey WS threads here. They should be combined. To aid in sleuthing and to reduce possible confusion. It is unnecessary and seems a deliberate attempt at further obfuscation. Just as with the actual case all these years IMO.

Someone last night said it perfectly on one of these threads……. (that I won’t be able to readily find)….. along the lines of this - if there was not the ‘ransom’ note, the obvious suspicion as to likely involvement and what likely happened would have been visible from space as a bright beacon shining on the source. Following from that, IMO that is exactly why that ransom note was created. MOO

 

[docyabut]

I`M still GUESSING THE KILLERS ARE FROM THE PHILIPPINES ?

John Ramsey joined the Navy in 1966, served as a Civil Engineer Corps officer in the Philippines for three years, and in an Atlanta reserve unit for an additional eight years

THE RANSOM LETTER

,Victory!
S.B.T.C

S.B.T.C, Security Bank and Trust Company, was the original name of Security Bank, a leading universal bank in the Philippines.Security Bank and Trust Company,?

The Philippines?

Mr. Ramsey,

Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction.

The Philippines?

THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA?Yes in finding the matching to the male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case


I`M still GUESSING THE KILLERS ARE FROM THE PHILIPPINES ?

I texted the Boulder police chief and Joe Berlinger. told them that the KILLERS maybe are FROM THE PHILIPPINES

THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA?Yes in finding the matching to the male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case


I could be so wrong but could be right

 

[oceanverde]

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I've always leaned in an RDI direction but could be swayed either way with the right evidence no matter how gray. But he's really pushing hard for advanced DNA testing lately as if he just wants to muddy the waters up more in his twilight years to take more heat off himself and immediate family. Knowing full well it won't lead anywhere

It just doesn't make sense for him to keep pushing for it when nobody was talking about it to begin with if he is guilty of anything.

 

[oceanverde]

I've never followed this case closely, but essentially grew up with it as an ever present story. I've oft wondered if the truth is a confluence of the theories: that someone (known or unknown to the family) killed her, that the family stumbled upon her body, assumed the worst, and made efforts to influence the crime scene.

This is definitely an interesting theory.

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes @AddieBoo …. and it is IMO so, so, so unfortunate that for whatever reason those GJ charges were not allowed to proceed. And that action could have resulted in depositions, evidence, testimony, and other learnings. That might have helped clarify exactly what happened in that residence. And led to other essential evidence and charges. As a means to ‘justice’ for the deceased child JBR.

And equally sad and unfortunate, IIUC there might now be at least six or seven different JBR / Ramsey WS threads here. They should be combined. To aid in sleuthing and to reduce possible confusion. It is unnecessary and seems a deliberate attempt at further obfuscation. Just as with the actual case all these years IMO.

Someone last night said it perfectly on one of these threads……. (that I won’t be able to readily find)….. along the lines of this - if there was not the ‘ransom’ note, the obvious suspicion as to likely involvement and what likely happened would have been visible from space as a bright beacon shining on the source. Following from that, IMO that is exactly why that ransom note was created. MOO

I still dont understand why parents did not immediately turn on security system and look for how kidnappers got into the home....and of course go to check on Burt...and why didnt the police look for entry in each and every room? And Papa Ramsey never mentioned window entry till later. Right...

Can Burt as a very smart boy have written the letter? "Faction", from one of his favorite Star Trek movie, First Contact?? And all of the other movie themes....almost like a child wrote that note IMO.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I still dont understand why parents did not immediately turn on security system and look for how kidnappers got into the home....and of course go to check on Burt...and why didnt the police look for entry in each and every room? And Papa Ramsey never mentioned window entry till later. Right...

Can Burt as a very smart boy have written the letter? "Faction", from one of his favorite Star Trek movie, First Contact?? And all of the other movie themes....almost like a child wrote that note IMO.

Yes, and IDK either @ShadyLady …. IMO there was likely a lot of other activity occurring in the residence that evening. And if so, that didn’t leave time for other routine obvious things. And I won’t readily find links….. but IIRC there has long been some dispute as to where BR was earlier in the evening and possibly during the 911 call. (And now I’m not remembering if there is more than one 911 call.)

And IIRC I thought they were questions whether BR was downstairs at some point and then asked to go back upstairs or whether he was upstairs for the entire event and whether the father went to awaken him or not to alert of JBR being ‘missing’? Unfortunately, it seems that confusion and uncertainty have prevailed. And IMO that did not occur by accident.

There was also IIRC some speculation there might have been three voices heard when one of those 911 calls was made. And if so, one can infer that one of those three voices would sadly not have included JBR.

As others frequently say, four people entered the residence that evening or early morning. And by the next morning/day, only three remained. With that, in my opinion, that is all that needs to be known. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

JMO but the intruder/kidnapper/murderer had to have been a real Spiderman to have gone in or out of the basement window and not disturb the cob webs.

 

[UncoolNegated]

JMO but the intruder/kidnapper/murderer had to have been a real Spiderman to have gone in or out of the basement window and not disturb the cob webs.

Right, but that single window doesn't define this case. The crime scene was not properly secured promptly. Any trace evidence of an intruder could have been obliterated by all the people in and out of the house from other possible entry points.

 

[AddieBoo]

Right, but that single window doesn't define this case. The crime scene was not properly secured promptly. Any trace evidence of an intruder could have been obliterated by all the people in and out of the house from other possible entry points.

As Cynic notes in his excellent podcast -there were two chairs within feet of that window….so the suitcase is frickin weird but not needed as an aid for escape. It’s just weird.
Yes, I agree about the crime scene. It was chaos. But nothing IMO that supports an intruder, despite all the goings on.

 

[Chypre]

What explains unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants?

 

[Ponytale]

What explains unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants?

If I'd go to the store and buy a package of underwear, I would expect to see some sort of foreign DNA found on them.

I think that the only thing that could have ever explained the foreign DNA on her underwear would have been if they would have collected the remaining underwear, with the package that she had in her drawer, and tested them all for that DNA. If they would have then found same DNA on others underpants too, it would have been long explained and proven to not be connected to the case.

I do not remember at the moment if they took the remaining pairs from that set to evidence. I know the evidence list contained some pairs of "girls underwear" but I do not recall them being from that package. But, if they do have them in evidence, why hasn't anyone come to test them?

Edited: Ok, I guess the remaining pairs were never found. What a suprise...

 

[AddieBoo]

What explains unknown DNA in JonBenet's underpants?

What explains all the other evidence, the RS, forensic materials, prior/chronic SA of JB, not one single fingerprint other then family, no entry, the suitcase and its contents, no footprints in the snow, no hits in DNA data base for over 25 years… the DNA analysis gets very detailed, and frankly beyond my comprehension because of the type collected and its markers (?) or lack of.
It’s a crime to continue this DNA holiday for the family of JonBenet.. Let the indictment of the Grand Jury be heard. The investigative Grand Jury who heard not only prosecutorial evidence but also defense evidence including Lou Schmidt testimony about the intruder theory and Handwriting analysis experts from the Ramsey team. For thirteen months they deliberated. Thirteen months these citizens gave their time and heard everything with full subpoena power.
The Grand Jury, again, with full power to call anyone for evidence, voted to indict the parents of Jon Benet Ramsey. Knowingly, KNOWINGLY putting their child in a a dangerous environment that lead to her death, and coverup. The Grand Jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on four counts that lead to her murder in the first degree.
John Ramsey has found a safe harbor in the DNA evidence, or lack of DNA evidence if truth be told.
For me, John Ramsey is the gold standard of what money, power and influence can buy. Too bad it’s about the murder, assault and strangulation of a six year old child.

 

[Chypre]

What explains all the other evidence, the RS, forensic materials, prior/chronic SA of JB, not one single fingerprint other then family, no entry, the suitcase and its contents, no footprints in the snow, no hits in DNA data base for over 25 years… the DNA analysis gets very detailed, and frankly beyond my comprehension because of the type collected and its markers (?) or lack of.
It’s a crime to continue this DNA holiday for the family of JonBenet.. Let the indictment of the Grand Jury be heard. The investigative Grand Jury who heard not only prosecutorial evidence but also defense evidence including Lou Schmidt testimony about the intruder theory and Handwriting analysis experts from the Ramsey team. For thirteen months they deliberated. Thirteen months these citizens gave their time and heard everything with full subpoena power.
The Grand Jury, again, with full power to call anyone for evidence, voted to indict the parents of Jon Benet Ramsey. Knowingly, KNOWINGLY putting their child in a a dangerous environment that lead to her death, and coverup. The Grand Jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on four counts that lead to her murder in the first degree.
John Ramsey has found a safe harbor in the DNA evidence, or lack of DNA evidence if truth be told.
For me, John Ramsey is the gold standard of what money, power and influence can buy. Too bad it’s about the murder, assault and strangulation of a six year old child.

Those are ALL good points, but no one answers what about her DNA?? But for any one of those good points, , nothing is as close to Jon Benet as her underwear.
When I ask about the DNA, I'm not saying the family is completely innocent. But for any explanation of what happened that night it has to be explained.

 

[Chypre]

If I'd go to the store and buy a package of underwear, I would expect to see some sort of foreign DNA found on them.

I think that the only thing that could have ever explained the foreign DNA on her underwear would have been if they would have collected the remaining underwear, with the package that she had in her drawer, and tested them all for that DNA. If they would have then found same DNA on others underpants too, it would have been long explained and proven to not be connected to the case.

I do not remember at the moment if they took the remaining pairs from that set to evidence. I know the evidence list contained some pairs of "girls underwear" but I do not recall them being from that package. But, if they do have them in evidence, why hasn't anyone come to test them?

Edited: Ok, I guess the remaining pairs were never found. What a suprise...

Thank you for responding with your theory. I don't know of previous testing of this theory, but to me that's a lot of reasonable doubt added to the defense.

 

[AddieBoo]

Those are ALL good points, but no one answers what about her DNA?? But for any one of them, nothing is as close to Jon Benet as her underwear.
When I ask about the DNA, I'm not saying the family is completely innocent. But for any explanation of what happened that night it has to be explained.

Those are ALL good points, but no one answers what about her DNA?? But for any one of those good points, , nothing is as close to Jon Benet as her underwear.
When I ask about the DNA, I'm not saying the family is completely innocent. But for any explanation of what happened that night it has to be explained.

what is the closest to JonBenet is the evidence of SA.
“Ponytail” was just discussing how could it be that other pairs of underwear from that same package were not tested for DNA as well. But apparently they are missing?
Isn’t it that there were a possible 7 different DNA profiles?

 

[Chypre]

what is the closest to JonBenet is the evidence of SA.
“Ponytail” was just discussing how could it be that other pairs of underwear from that same package were not tested for DNA as well. But apparently they are missing?
Isn’t it that there were a possible 7 different DNA profiles?

You're conclusion is based on what hasn’t been tested instead of what was. The underpants Jon Benet was wearing did not show evidence of family DNA as being the source of sexual assault.

 

[AddieBoo]

You're conclusion is based on what hasn’t been tested instead of what was. The underpants Jon Benet was wearing did not show evidence of family DNA as being the source of sexual assault.

The evidence of sexual assault is confirmed. Jon Benet Ramsey was the victim of sexual abuse. Abuse that occurred before her murder. Regardless of what that DNA in her underwear is, JonBenet was being assaulted prior to the night of her murder. Most likely by a family member (s). The identity of that DNA does not exclude family members because of the extent of her injuries,