Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Bekind89]

IMO, for anyone that already has an attorney he works with, it was simple.

I honestly do not believe I could function, at all. I would have to be medicated and put in a home. PR seemed over medicated after JB died. I don't blame her.

 

[GRT]

IMO the phrase "Call 9-1-1" as the first thing to say out loud has been taught by repetition and practice for basic health and safety training.

You would yell that to a cop?

That's essentially what he did.

 

[Ponytale]

Wasn't FW very suspicious of JR? Is he the one was there when JR found JB?

I believe Fleet has his suspicions. Yes, he was the one who was there when JR found JB.

But if BR accidentally harmed his sister, why the stage a SA scene? That is pathologically sick, imo. What parent, mother especially, would even have such a thought enter her mind?

I do not believe that this was done during the staging. I believe that there was previous sexual abuse (at least 10 days prior her death) and acute SA, that happened that night. But I have yet not found sufficient evidence, that does not contradict itself, to firmly believe that there actually was additional SA done at the point of staging the crime scene.

They had the money and connections to get BR the best defense and placement in the best mental health facility.

Yes they did and I believe they still do have that money. I believe that it came down to decisions and they, maybe for one or some of the reasons I mentioned in above post, decided to go with the staging. IMO

This case is very frustrating. Such an incompetent investigation. JB deserved so much better than this.

Oh it is, frustrating and sad. JB is the victim and we all should remember that and keep fighting, if not for anything else, then for this case to not be forgotten.

Oh, a bit off topic but is it true that JR married a women who is somehow involved in beauty pageants?

As I understand she is a designer and did not grow up in US. I do not know about the pageants.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yeah, definitely a first thought of an innocent parent after your daughter has just been found murdered in your own house by an intruder. Instead of going through his head about possible persons who could have killed his daughter, he is going through his head about who he should lawyer up. And apparently finds reasons to protect even his ex-wife.

From Thomas's book:
"Months would pass before we learned that only a few hours after the body of JonBenét was found, an attorney representing the Ramseys was already on the scene making calls."

A few hours... But in one of his first interviews he said:
"On the day after the tragedy we were being consoled by friends and family. And a close friend of mine who is also a practicing attorney took me aside and said: 'John, I see some things developing here that I would like to ask your permission to do some things that I think are necessary to be done.' And I said: 'Fine, do it.' "

From here it seems that he is implying that it had happened on the day after they found her, so on the 27th. Not hours later on the 26th.
Or, is he giving something away regarding knowing the exact day when JB died?

One more inconsistency to add to the list of many.

According to John, it was all Mike Bynum's idea and doing. Bynum was on the scene at the Fernie's where the Ramseys had gone on the afternoon of the 26th. Haddon & Morgan were hired and ready to go by EOD on the 26th. They had PI's on the ground and canvassing that next morning, 12/27. Fleet White was called in to Bynum's office on the afternoon of 12/27 and told that Haddon & Morgan were on the case and essentially that he needed to stay out of it.

John has always tried to downplay and muddy the waters on how quickly Haddon & Morgan were hired. John has also said that at some point he asked why they needed lawyers, that they'd rather not have lawyers or something to that effect. That they wanted to cooperate with the investigation. And yet they didn't cooperate. John said on the CNN interview while they were still in Atlanta that they were going back to Boulder to cooperate. The only part of that statement that was true was that they did return to Boulder, which initially they had indicated to the White's that they were not going to go back.

The hiring of lawyers for John's ex wife and older kids was not as immediate, that actually happened later down the road. I think it was early March when the lawyer(s) for JAR and Melinda came on board.

 

[Ponytale]

As I understand it, the coffin containing JonBenet's body was flown on the commercial flight while John, Patsy, Burke and some of the friends who were accompanying them to Atlanta took the corporate jet.

I wonder why they decided to do that? Put their beloved daughters body on a commercial flight and fly separate from her. Seems odd, no?

 

[Bekind89]

I believe Fleet has his suspicions. Yes, he was the one who was there when JR found JB.

I do not believe that this was done during the staging. I believe that there was previous sexual abuse (at least 10 days prior her death) and acute SA, that happened that night. But I have yet not found sufficient evidence, that does not contradict itself, to firmly believe that there actually was addition SA done at the point of staging.

Yes they did and I believe they still do have that money. I believe that it came down to decisions and they, maybe for one or some of the reasons I mentioned in above post, decided to go with the staging. IMO

Oh it is, frustrating and sad. JB is the victim and we all should remember that and keep fighting, if not for anything else, then for this case to not be forgotten.

As I understand she is a designer and did not grow up in US. I do not know about the pageants.

I never knew these were Patsy's last words:

Patsy Ramsey's last words to police detective Lou Smit were, "Lou, I don't have much time left. Please catch this guy before I die". Smit was a long-time advocate that an intruder, not the Ramseys, was responsible for the murder of JonBenét.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I wonder why they decided to do that? Put their beloved daughters body on a commercial flight and fly separate from her. Seems odd, no?

My first thought is that it probably had to do with documentation, procedure, etc. for transporting a dead body. It may have been less complicated on a commercial airline.

 

[Bekind89]

8 believe most parents I wonder why they decided to do that? Put their beloved daughters body on a commercial flight and fly separate from her. Seems odd, no?

I could never leave my child alone, ever. I believe most parents would feel the same.
It has always been said that the rich are different from us. Maybe that is an example of that, idk.

 

[Bekind89]

According to John, it was all Mike Bynum's idea and doing. Bynum was on the scene at the Fernie's where the Ramseys had gone on the afternoon of the 26th. Haddon & Morgan were hired and ready to go by EOD on the 26th. They had PI's on the ground and canvassing that next morning, 12/27. Fleet White was called in to Bynum's office on the afternoon of 12/27 and told that Haddon & Morgan were on the case and essentially that he needed to stay out of it.

John has always tried to downplay and muddy the waters on how quickly Haddon & Morgan were hired. John has also said that at some point he asked why they needed lawyers, that they'd rather not have lawyers or something to that effect. That they wanted to cooperate with the investigation. And yet they didn't cooperate. John said on the CNN interview while they were still in Atlanta that they were going back to Boulder to cooperate. The only part of that statement that was true was that they did return to Boulder, which initially they had indicated to the White's that they were not going to go back.

The hiring of lawyers for John's ex wife and older kids was not as immediate, that actually happened later down the road. I think it was early March when the lawyer(s) for JAR and Melinda came on board.

JR , like all narcissists, never accepts blame or responsibility for anything.
He threw every friend and neighbor he ever had under the bus during the investigation.

 

[Bekind89]

I believe Fleet has his suspicions. Yes, he was the one who was there when JR found JB.

I do not believe that this was done during the staging. I believe that there was previous sexual abuse (at least 10 days prior her death) and acute SA, that happened that night. But I have yet not found sufficient evidence, that does not contradict itself, to firmly believe that there actually was additional SA done at the point of staging the crime scene.

Yes they did and I believe they still do have that money. I believe that it came down to decisions and they, maybe for one or some of the reasons I mentioned in above post, decided to go with the staging. IMO

Oh it is, frustrating and sad. JB is the victim and we all should remember that and keep fighting, if not for anything else, then for this case to not be forgotten.

As I understand she is a designer and did not grow up in US. I do not know about the pageants.

Thank you. I do remember that he briefly dated Natalie Holloway's mother, Beth.
I believe she quickly dumped him, lol.

 

[CloudedTruth]

The Ramsey's never returned to that home, did they? I would not have either.
That house is beautiful now, but when the Ramsey's lived there it was always dark , cluttered, and downright creepy to me.
I believe it was that awful basement that made that home feel so dark and foreboding.
The same with the basement at the Watts home.
Just no thank you .

No, they never stepped foot inside the Boulder house again. I certainly can understand that.

The house has been completely renovated and the interiors are very impressive now. I never understood the convoluted design that the Ramseys did when they added on to the house. It didn't make a lot of sense. I also never understood the mindset of parents who wanted to have their bedroom on an entirely different floor away from their young children. That house was an absolute mess inside when the Ramseys lived there.

The Watts basement at least made sense architecturally and was well organized, but that was because of Shanann. Patsy was a terrible housekeeper (even with help) and allowed her children to be as messy and unorganized as she was.

 

[Bekind89]

Thank you. I do remember that he briefly dated Natalie Holloway's mother, Beth.
I believe she quickly dumped him, lol.

JB would be such a beautiful, accomplished young lady now. She should still be here. I hate to think about what that sweet little girl may have had to suffer through. I do believe she was a victim of SA, how long it occured, months, weeks, years , we will never know.
It really upsets me that she along many other young victims will never get justice. Not on this earth.
Those child pageants should be illegal, imo. Not that her death was the result of pageants, but there is something almost obscene about dressing up little girls to look like adults, mostly in suggestive clothing . Putting makeup on them. Let them be little girls, fgs.
Children are already targets from predators.
Sorry, rant over.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

No, they never stepped foot inside the Boulder house again. I certainly can understand that.

The house has been completely renovated and the interiors are very impressive now. I never understood the convoluted design that the Ramseys did when they added on to the house. It didn't make a lot of sense. I also never understood the mindset of parents who wanted to have their bedroom on an entirely different floor away from their young children. That house was an absolute mess inside when the Ramseys lived there.

I remember a lot of people from the Ramseys' generation who favored that kind of decor. This seemed to fade especially in the 90s. I will say, though, as a kid I would have loved that house.

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

Because he moved it prior to JR finding it.

MOO

I am going to embrace this FW theory for a bit. He had ample opportunity to SA since JB didn't care who she asked to help her with toileting. Also the person who committed the crime would likely ignore it the first time through the house. When with JR he had to deal with her body being found. The person who lay the body where it was and covered it while making a ritual out of it, would remember in which way he had lain the body. Moo

 

[Bekind89]

No, they never stepped foot inside the Boulder house again. I certainly can understand that.

The house has been completely renovated and the interiors are very impressive now. I never understood the convoluted design that the Ramseys did when they added on to the house. It didn't make a lot of sense. I also never understood the mindset of parents who wanted to have their bedroom on an entirely different floor away from their young children. That house was an absolute mess inside when the Ramseys lived there.

The Watts basement at least made sense architecturally and was well organized, but that was because of Shanann. Patsy was a terrible housekeeper (even with help) and allowed her children to be as messy and unorganized as she was.

Yes, I remember seeing the police video of the house and thinking to myself who would allow a such a beautiful home to be so cluttered and nasty?
That basement wasn't just cluttered and creepy, as you said it made no sense. It almost looked the home of a hoarder and these people had hired help!
The children's dirty clothes on the floor. I realize that Patsy was dealing with cancer and undergoing chemo. She was probably severely fatigued.
But that house was so unorganized, idk. It didn't look loved and cared for, if that makes sense.
Odd family vibes. Just odd.

 

[Bekind89]

I remember a lot of people from the Ramseys' generation who favored that kind of decor. This seemed to fade especially in the 90s. I will say, though, as a kid I would have loved that house.

I have a fear of basements that big. Seriously. The people who own the home now closed that basement off and that house is absolutely beautiful now. Lots of natural lighting. It looks warm and inviting

 

[Bekind89]

My first thought is that it probably had to do with documentation, procedure, etc. for transporting a dead body. It may have been less complicated on a commercial airline.

I didn't not think of that! I bet you are right.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

It was JR. How much PR knew about him or if she suspected him, even subconsciously, that would to me be fascinating to know.
PR was on a lot of medication after JB's death. It was obvious whenever she was interviewed. Her speech was slurred and she just appeared over medicated. Not that I blame her, but I believe that is how she numbed herself in order to cope.
Again, all speculation on my part.
I know what JR is. What I would find interesting is PR.
ETA: Thank you for correcting my post!

Being obviously drugged out was a very helpful excuse for a foggy memory.

 

[CloudedTruth]

JB would be such a beautiful, accomplished young lady now. She should still be here. I hate to think about what that sweet little girl may have had to suffer through. I do believe she was a victim of SA, how long it occured, months, weeks, years , we will never know.
It really upsets me that she along many other young victims will never get justice. Not on this earth.
Those child pageants should be illegal, imo. Not that her death was the result of pageants, but there is something almost obscene about dressing up little girls to look like adults, mostly in suggestive clothing . Putting makeup on them. Let them be little girls, fgs.
Children are already targets from predators.
Sorry, rant over.

We will sadly never know what JonBenet would have become. What she'd be like today had she lived.

There's a part of me that wonders how she would've dealt with Patsy's ambitions for her and if that was a path she really wanted to pursue. If that's what she really wanted for herself. There were signs already that she was starting to rebel against Patsy's obsessive behavior with wanting to be dressed alike, etc. What bothered me most about the pageants is how the little girls were encouraged to be like adult women with the suggestive clothing, the suggestive moves on the runway and all of that. And that it spilled over into life. Patsy had been an accomplished woman aside from the pageant life before she met John Ramsey. It feels like she allowed herself to settle in to a life where she was the trophy wife who valued outward appearance in an unhealthy way. That seemed to be what she was passing along to JonBenet. I'm remembering the accounts of JonBenet winking and being flirty with grown men when they'd be out to dinner, her being cold and wanting to put on her jacket and being told no by Patsy because she was still "on display". She was a child! Focusing on the physical outward appearance and being attractive to men is simply not appropriate to be teaching your 6 year old daughter. And others in their life saw it as unhealthy and inappropriate.

 

[GRT]