FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[CARIIS]

I know they have a questionable background but honestly, they have not been off on stories - CNN gets more wrong IMO

Authorities say both have a history of drug use

So far, they are pretty positive that Daniel died of an overdose

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[missgulfsouth]

I am having trouble being as sympathetic as most. Even though they pulled over, we don't know if they were already doped up and driving that way, or stopped to dope up, in which case they intended to drive on after with the kids. It is unlikely to me that both were drugged by others and it hit them as they drove home.

Either they were driving under the influence, or soon would have been, Imo, if they had not died. A car wreck may have killed all the children as well. Perhaps it is a blessing in a way they died when they did. (If they were going to die, it is preferable to a fatal wreck that may have killed others too, i.e.)

I don't understand taking drugs when you have kids. At all. And I come from an easily addicted family. Or maybe because I do. I also don't have any kids. It just burns me to read over and over what drug-addled parents do to their kids, or how they neglect them, forget them, etc...

Rant over.

ITA. Drugs are NOT a victimless pastime, and they are not "fun". Countless murders, accidents, robberies, sexual perversions, suicides, prostitution, human trafficking, unemployment / welfare, overrun foster care system / prison system, homelessness / transients / vagrancy, divorces, bankruptcies, random violence / rapes / child abuse / domestic violence, and the overall impact on homes, families, communities and society as a whole is INCALCULABLE. Websleuths is inundated with drug related crimes.

What's more ... it's TOTALLY PREVENTABLE. Just say no worked for me - and that goes for ALL of it, alcohol included. If you never start, you'll never be an addict. I will rant about this forever because no one is listening.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

The thingie is called a face shield. But - paramedics don't use them.

Paramedics do not do mouth-to-mouth. They use a bag-valve-mask (BVM) over the patient's nose and mouth; then they eventually intubate the patient (place a tube into the trachea); and squeeze air into the patient's lungs periodically until the patient is either pronounced, placed on life-support, or rescusitated (in order of liklihood, with rescus being maybe 5%).

Actually, since 2008 the American Heart Association has been teaching "hands only CPR" for lay people, partially due to the risk.

Paramedics are often the unsung heroines and heroes of the healthcare team. Their job is difficult in ways that many never consider. Weather, traffic, conditions in homes, gangs, crime, family of trauma, the bereaved. Unimaginable hazards. Our local team once spent the better part of the night searching in the sleet for an infant following a 2 vehicle motor vehicle accident - mother dead in car one, infant dead in car two, both fathers unconscious, and an empty carseat in car one. After about 7 hours, the sheriff was finally able to track down the grandmother who had the infant from car one.

Paramedics, Firefighters, LE - Hat Tip!

Great post......thank you!

 

[creepcrusher]

Maybe it is the term overdose - that gives strange notions. I just have hard time grasping that two( if it was this - drugs), "seasoned" users could both violate their tolerances - that takes me back to if drugs , bad shi$, murder, double suicide or poisoned????

And the hazards on adds more of a mess to this- hazards are safety focused, drugs while driving is reckless they are opposites

I wish we knew if they ever made it or where they were before getting in the car - anyone know?

It may seem ironic to some, but to others that work in the medical field and LE not so much. My husband is a firefighter and just recently went on a call where two people in their twenties accidentally overdosed on heroine. He said they were both dead on arrival. Fortunately in their case, they managed to revive them. They were with another couple, who had said the two took the heroine at the same time. They overdosed within minutes of each other. It was also a man and a woman. It seems to be getting more common.

 

[Deltucky]

ITA. Drugs are NOT a victimless pastime, and they are not "fun". Countless murders, accidents, robberies, sexual perversions, suicides, prostitution, human trafficking, unemployment / welfare, overrun foster care system / prison system, homelessness / transients / vagrancy, divorces, bankruptcies, random violence / rapes / child abuse / domestic violence, and the overall impact on homes, families, communities and society as a whole is INCALCULABLE. Websleuths is inundated with drug related crimes.

What's more ... it's TOTALLY PREVENTABLE. Just say no worked for me - and that goes for ALL of it, alcohol included. If you never start, you'll never be an addict. I will rant about this forever because no one is listening.

I can't find the acronyms and abbreviations list. What is ITA please?

I feel the same way. I wish I could put my thoughts to paper like that.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Deltucky, ITA = I totally agree

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Other options

knitting

crossword puzzles

!!!!!!!!!!

Websleuthing ; ) and coke(coca cola)! My dentist office will hate me sigh.



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[LisaWL7TR]

or Websleuths

Oops late reading this!

I wanted to add a thought about the hazard lights being on. I read rumored he was a mechanic and if driving and pulling over/off the highway perhaps it was an automatic thing for him to do?

Perhaps they saw LE turn around to aid them after they pulled over and they injested something they had on their person that was illegal. I have seen it on Cops and saying if medical treatment is not gotten they could die.

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[kanzz]

While we're on the topic of drugs, I'll just say a few things.

• There, but for the grace, go I.
• Damn prescription opiods and those who over-prescribe them.
• If you've never seen it before, I recommend the film "Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way" produced by the History Channel. Worth your time, imo.

ETA: Damn alcohol abuse, too!

 

[cluciano63]

Anyway, the kids were hurt...they are orphans now. Jmo

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Anyway, the kids were hurt...they are orphans now. Jmo

I do worry that the choice to use could be higher when these boys grow up as a way to try and connect with the parents they don't know or can't remember.

Hoping they choose to stay far away instead!



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[creepcrusher]

I do worry that the choice to use could be higher when these boys grow up as a way to try and connect with the parents they don't know or can't remember.

Hoping they choose to stay far away instead!



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True, or this tragedy may have the opposite effect. Knowing that drugs killed their parents may steer them far away from using (if drugs are what killed them). In the end I hope this will be used for the good.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

True, or this tragedy may have the opposite effect. Knowing that drugs killed their parents may steer them far away from using (if drugs are what killed them). In the end I hope this will be used for the good.

Yes, thanks I forgot to add the "if" since we still don't know.

ETA to the drug talk. When my boys were little and talks of drugs are bad were in the early stages we made sure to call anything prescribed by the dr. as medicine vs drugs, their drugs, etc...

I know prescribed meds are abused but this was elementary age talks of trying to show there is a difference.

I guess it worked it was difficult to get my son to take some tylenol the other day when feeling a little achy.



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[CARIIS]

Oops late reading this!

I wanted to add a thought about the hazard lights being on. I read rumored he was a mechanic and if driving and pulling over/off the highway perhaps it was an automatic thing for him to do?

Perhaps they saw LE turn around to aid them after they pulled over and they injested something they had on their person that was illegal. I have seen it on Cops and saying if medical treatment is not gotten they could die.

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IMO those are some really interesting notions. TY It can explain a lot . I do not understand all this time. Tox screens for basic drugs are not a two week deal.

 

[MissUnderstood]

Damn...it seems my fireball shots are not a good way to live But nope not doing the illegal drugs that are out there! I will scrapbook and if needed color.

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I learnt to crochet and suduko lol anything to keep the mind and hands busy


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[LisaWL7TR]

I learnt to crochet and suduko lol anything to keep the mind and hands busy


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O.T.
New Years resolution! Goodbye fireball!! Probably after my yearly physical it will be Hello, treadmill. sigh.

I also wanted to add it appears the grandparents will be raising the boys.

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[Elainera]

IMO those are some really interesting notions. TY It can explain a lot . I do not understand all this time. Tox screens for basic drugs are not a two week deal.

Maybe they did test for basic drugs already and didn't find any?

 

[DeDee]

Could the couple have made a pact that each would die beside the car with the flasher lights flashing so their children would be found quickly? I'm going with a double suicide angle here.

Were they in debt? Unemployed? Their behavior outside of the car makes little sense to us. The grandparents will raise their grandchildren. Parents couldn't handle the responsibility or so they thought, I suppose. Grateful the children survived this sad and tragic event tho it shall follow them for many days to come.

 

[Snoods]

I agree with many others here, I believe these parents set off high and died together of an accidental overdose.They pulled over because they weren't feeling well, passed out and died either of exposure or an overdose. People drive high all the time; if you are an addict you LITERALLY drive high all the time.

Couples accidentally overdosing together happens way more often than you'd think, many with children in their home or in tow. Only a few days ago a couple died of a drug overdose, and their infant daughter died of starvation before they were found.

Sometimes something different or extra is added to their drugs that causes death, maybe it's stronger than they are used to, or sometimes they inject too much.

This is just in the past few months:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...starvation-days-later/?utm_term=.61bc57ec90f6

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...oses-daughter-alerts-school-article-1.2817758

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/young-couple-dies-drug-overdose-queens-article-1.28429457


Last year this couple overdosed in their 7-month-old baby's Children's Hospital room! Mother died, father had to be revived. If he wasn't in a hospital no doubt he would have died as well.

http://whnt.com/2016/01/07/parents-...on-heroin-in-7-month-old-babys-hospital-room/

 

[Snoods]

There is a rant coming sorry

I accepted a position in a methadone clinic. I lasted 8 work days.

If you all want to make a good amount of cash- go for the license
Here is how it worked. It was awful

Methadone dispensary. Opened at 6 in the morning. Visualize the first weekend of Jawas opening the first week.

Lines.Conditions of there not soing jail time was they would work.

Never knew this. I am not talking about overdose. I am (Learned this) that a person a person going through heroin withdrawal , will (mot of time) will not die.

A person going through alcohol withdrawal could.

Emergency rooms would have to admit, instant a alcohol withdrawal immediately - they could [pass away And will. .

Heroin withdrawal generally speaking will not kill them

It is horrendous yes vomiting, sweating, fever pain gruesome but it does not kill them

You are in alcohol withdrawal in an Er admit. You are in heroin withdrawal, basically go under a tree and suffer for three days. Check it out online .



In my situation (I am visual) it was like a bank with 6 teller lines manned by RN's Cash only $35 a hit of methadone- to keep withdrawal from starting.

My role a therapist, none of them were there for therapy - they were , understandably (took me a couple of days) there to dodge the start of gruesome with drawal.



The place closed at 10 in the morning. Look it up online. It was cash. An armored car came and picked it up like a Walmart.

Place closed till 4 in the afternoon and it started again.

Obisouly there is paperwork. You had to comment you caseload. They were giving out methadone. That require a doctor precriotion

The problem for me was I never saw , or introduced to . or have seen the psychiatrist that I am depositing my paper work (old days) on his desk.

This became problematic for me.! As I realized what was going on I wanted to check it out and for two days, (I had not decided to resign yet) I promise you , I thought about putting a pile of paperwork in his box on his desk with the pt name Barbara Striesand , I have not seen him

Did I do that no.

Did I learn a lot about heroin withdrawal I did, But this is a cash making bunch of crap sorry, and I am not putting my license to practice on the line.

I went to the clinical director and told her I am very uncortable that I had never met , or seen mr psychiatrist. She was anxious.

At that point, in terms of me getting relocated, I knew she sure as heck is not saying anything negative about me- basically I had told her as a professional , no doctor is monitor is monitoring methadone dosing.

I do have to say -- first day, at 10 AM when the Brinks thing came in and hauled away the cash it was a really messed up thing for me.

Look up methadone clinics, cash pay only- it just blew my mind

On tthe other hand _ I learned that heroin withdrawal is grusome BUT Er rooms will not admit you - go puke tremble sweat twitch under the tree- you will basically not die, unlike alcohol withdrawal .

Hard to grasp - it is not about OD is about heroin withdrawal will not kill you generally speaking , alcohol withdrawal will

go online - question my experience fine with it

it was an unreal 8 days

Yikes! Thanks for your personal experience, and I don't question it at all. Poor CARIIS, thrown into the dark, desperate world of drug addiction all tra la la, with nary any preparation and all bright eyed and bushy tailed! C'mere, you! *pat pat pat*

I believe you are correct; alcohol withdrawal can cause death, but not heroin withdrawals. A person will experience what may be the worst pain they will ever go through from heroin and opioid withdrawals, but suck it up buttercup. It won't kill you.