FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #14

[Megnut]

Unbelievable that there was DNA that wasn’t tested.

Sounds like they maybe didn't know they had DNA (that an item contained DNA). If that's the case, thank goodness it was preserved. Perhaps advancements in testing have made testing possible in a way it hadn't been possible or even detected.

I hope it leads to an arrest.

JMO

 

[fridaybaker]

Apologies if this has been discussed recently. I left off on this case a few years ago and haven’t quite caught up.

IF they do actually have some DNA in possession that hasn’t yet been tested, is this a case where they would do that method of building out a family tree using a DNA database?

Even if they can, I have to think it would be of limited help if the perp was a migrant worker, which I think is highly possible. Sadly.

 

[flgrl017]

Apologies if this has been discussed recently. I left off on this case a few years ago and haven’t quite caught up.

IF they do actually have some DNA in possession that hasn’t yet been tested, is this a case where they would do that method of building out a family tree using a DNA database?

Even if they can, I have to think it would be of limited help if the perp was a migrant worker, which I think is highly possible. Sadly.

For what it’s worth the attorney doesn’t think it’s a migrant worker. He thinks the perp is still in the US. He said that in the interview that was just posted.

 

[moonglow123]

It's frustrating they couldn't narrow anything down from the footage, at least so far. The perp got way too lucky.

Regardless of whether it's someone connected to her personal life or her job, or a worker (migrant or not), you'd think the build would've helped narrow it down ... fairly short for a male (I know some people speculate about a woman, but it looks like a short male to me build wise.) I'm glad to hear it's not considered cold anymore and I hope there will be an arrest some point soon.

 

[flgrl017]

It's frustrating they couldn't narrow anything down from the footage, at least so far. The perp got way too lucky.

Regardless of whether it's someone connected to her personal life or her job, or a worker (migrant or not), you'd think the build would've helped narrow it down ... fairly short for a male (I know some people speculate about a woman, but it looks like a short male to me build wise.) I'm glad to hear it's not considered cold anymore and I hope there will be an arrest some point soon.

Yes it is. The attorney talks about this. He said no one can agree on what they see in the poi photos. They aren’t even sure if the poi is a male or female. They have also thrown out the height estimate. The attorney said he thinks the poi could be tall like he is and he’s 6 ft. There is also the debate on if the poi has on some sort of hat or head covering or if it’s just hair. Then there is the fact that the camera distorts color and the clothing may not be all white. They also claim the poi isn’t on any other cameras in the area so that’s frustrating as well.

 

[minazoe]

did they 100 percent rule out Jennifer's boyfriend? I know he was miles away, right? does anyone know if Jennifer wanted to break up with him? was Jennifer possibly interested in someone else? it's been so long since I read this case..I remember a Dateline on this ...just something about it makes no sense. wasn't the BF fairly successful? it's very strange that her body is never found and nothing is seen at all except this guy walking by a camera. I feel like I have questions around the timeline...and who would be motivated to hide her body so completely, she is never found. someone knows, there just has to be someone out there who knows. I did hear that she had an ex BF nearby her place that night, is that rumor or common knowledge? mOO

 

[thref23]

did they 100 percent rule out Jennifer's boyfriend? I know he was miles away, right? does anyone know if Jennifer wanted to break up with him? was Jennifer possibly interested in someone else? it's been so long since I read this case..I remember a Dateline on this ...just something about it makes no sense. wasn't the BF fairly successful? it's very strange that her body is never found and nothing is seen at all except this guy walking by a camera. I feel like I have questions around the timeline...and who would be motivated to hide her body so completely, she is never found. someone knows, there just has to be someone out there who knows. I did hear that she had an ex BF nearby her place that night, is that rumor or common knowledge? mOO

This is common knowledge, in fact the ex-boyfriend was also one of the men staying at her apartment that weekend while she was on vacation with her new boyfriend.

Generally, he has been presumed innocent for some reasons or another, and I don't believe he has a criminal history. I have (just) read that he supposedly showed up to his job the following morning, which would make him an unlikely suspect if true. But I haven't read anything definitive. He is definitely a logical suspect, by circumstance, in the event he cannot be ruled out.

I get the sense those close to the case presume him to be innocent, and don't want to subject him to public scrutiny by mentioning him.

 

[minazoe]

This is common knowledge, in fact the ex-boyfriend was also one of the men staying at her apartment that weekend while she was on vacation with her new boyfriend.

Generally, he has been presumed innocent for some reasons or another, and I don't believe he has a criminal history. I have (just) read that he supposedly showed up to his job the following morning, which would make him an unlikely suspect if true. But I haven't read anything definitive. He is definitely a logical suspect, by circumstance, in the event he cannot be ruled out.

I get the sense those close to the case presume him to be innocent, and don't want to subject him to public scrutiny by mentioning him.

thank you. interesting just because it creates a love triangle of some kind where before I wasn't thinking about it...
it's just an added little dusting of shade...hmmm. ok. mOO

 

[Fromeaster]

I'm leaning towards the idea that she didn't leave the apartment complex, was attacked somewhere inside and buried in concrete. No one saw anything, no body was found. Very lucky...

 

[flgrl017]

did they 100 percent rule out Jennifer's boyfriend? I know he was miles away, right? does anyone know if Jennifer wanted to break up with him? was Jennifer possibly interested in someone else? it's been so long since I read this case..I remember a Dateline on this ...just something about it makes no sense. wasn't the BF fairly successful? it's very strange that her body is never found and nothing is seen at all except this guy walking by a camera. I feel like I have questions around the timeline...and who would be motivated to hide her body so completely, she is never found. someone knows, there just has to be someone out there who knows. I did hear that she had an ex BF nearby her place that night, is that rumor or common knowledge? mOO

I believe so. He was at work in Ft Lauderdale when her car was dumped. I also read he passed multiple polygraphs and his phone was pinging in Ft Lauderdale from during the hours in question.

There is also an ex the Kesse’s said wanted her back and a coworker that was trying to get her to date him according to the Kesse’s. I don’t believe either the ex or co worker were cleared by le.

The timeline is very confusing because of several inconsistencies over the years. This is my understanding:
Monday 1/23
-6:16 pm she passed thru the toll coming home (last toll stamp ever)
-6:30-7:00 someone knocked on her door (there has been conflicting statements over the years on the knock though)
-she spoke to multiple people on the phone Monday evening including a long conversation with Lauren who said she was in a funky mood
-9:56 pm is when she ended the call to Rob. This call was on her cell phone. They had a fight about him not wanting to see her next weekend,
-10:20-10:40 Drew has made past comments about the phones being shut down by removal of the batteries. He’s flip flopped a lot. I honestly just want to know when the last ping was sent from each phone in her possession.
Tuesday 1/24
-7:30-8:15 is the timeframe the Kesse’s have given for Jennifer usually leaving for work
-Rob never received his wake up call and was actually late for work Tuesday. He tried to text and call her a few times and didn’t get her.
-10:00 am is when she missed her meeting.
-10:30 is when they called her parents. The parents and Logan and Travis all head towards Orlando. They make wellness calls on the way. Drew had to pick Joyce up at work.
-11:15-11:30 is when the condo manager checked the parking lot and her condo. No signs of Jennifer and nothing looked awry
-12:00 or 1:00 pm is when car is dumped. The timestamp says 1:00 pm. It has been said the camera wasn’t set for daylight savings. Most of the statements they have given state the car was dumped off at 12:00. However on her website they state the car was dumped off at 1:00 pm
-somewhere between 12:00-2:00 Logan and Travis arrive in Orlando
-somewhere between 1:00 and 3:00 the parents arrive in Orlando. (They have said both 1 pm and 3 pm for arrival time in interviews so we can’t be certain. They say Logan and Travis got there an hour prior)
-4:30 they had a lot of her friends there and were passing out flyers during evening rush on the street corners

 

[flgrl017]

thank you. interesting just because it creates a love triangle of some kind where before I wasn't thinking about it...
it's just an added little dusting of shade...hmmm. ok. mOO

More like a love square because the parents have stated she had the coworker wanting to date her as well.

 

[flgrl017]

This is common knowledge, in fact the ex-boyfriend was also one of the men staying at her apartment that weekend while she was on vacation with her new boyfriend.

Generally, he has been presumed innocent for some reasons or another, and I don't believe he has a criminal history. I have (just) read that he supposedly showed up to his job the following morning, which would make him an unlikely suspect if true. But I haven't read anything definitive. He is definitely a logical suspect, by circumstance, in the event he cannot be ruled out.

I get the sense those close to the case presume him to be innocent, and don't want to subject him to public scrutiny by mentioning him.

The thing that sticks out to me is the Kesse’s who have known him since he was a child brought him into this publicly during the interview they did with Greta around 2013. Before then the public didn’t know he was across the street from her condo Monday evening. I don’t think the Kesse’s and Logan would bring him into this unless they had good reason. He was Logan’s good friend. I don’t know what they’ve learned since then but when they did that interview I think they couldn’t eliminate him.

 

[fridaybaker]

did they 100 percent rule out Jennifer's boyfriend? I know he was miles away, right? does anyone know if Jennifer wanted to break up with him? was Jennifer possibly interested in someone else? it's been so long since I read this case..I remember a Dateline on this ...just something about it makes no sense. wasn't the BF fairly successful? it's very strange that her body is never found and nothing is seen at all except this guy walking by a camera. I feel like I have questions around the timeline...and who would be motivated to hide her body so completely, she is never found. someone knows, there just has to be someone out there who knows. I did hear that she had an ex BF nearby her place that night, is that rumor or common knowledge? mOO

Minazoe, from my recollection, the BF angle was a real longshot. There didn't seem to be motive, and I believe he had a very solid alibi. Now, the ex is a different kettle of fish, except that I think we aren't allowed to go into him much here, IIRC. Then, there was someone at work who, apparently, was interested in her, but the interest wasn't reciprocal.

I know that LE is going in the direction of someone in J's circle, but I don't know as much as they do, so I always fall back onto a worker at the building site. It just seems the most logical (again, knowing only what I know, which probably isn't much): That area was just at the beginning of being developed. On one side was a busy-ish, slightly sketchy commercial district. On the other, woods and unoccupied land, with railroad tracks nearby. It was known to be a hangout for transients. I personally know people who've said that wouldn't have lived there, at that time, for all the tea in China. The condos were only partially done, which led to empty or nearly-empty buildings, and at night, when the mall closed, I'd think it would be a scary place. (J even mentioned this to her family.) At the time she lived there, there wasn't a working security system in place.

So, you have a bunch of workers, probably many of them not long-employed and, therefore, not well known to construction/building management, coming and going. Sure, there were likely quite a few regulars as well, but as anyone who lived there at the time can attest to, in situations like this, many of these folks would be hired on the spot as fill-ins. Day laborer types. There's been a question about people living in the apartment across from J but, really, whether anyone was actually living there seems beside the point. There were many opportunities, I'd think, for empty apartments, apartments under construction, etc., to be used here and there as temporary pads.

So, where is J? If I had to bet, I'd say long gone. There must have been literally hundreds of dumpsters around that area at the time, behind businesses, apartment buildings, construction sites, etc.

 

[Leprikawn]

Minazoe, from my recollection, the BF angle was a real longshot. There didn't seem to be motive, and I believe he had a very solid alibi. Now, the ex is a different kettle of fish, except that I think we aren't allowed to go into him much here, IIRC. Then, there was someone at work who, apparently, was interested in her, but the interest wasn't reciprocal.

I know that LE is going in the direction of someone in J's circle, but I don't know as much as they do, so I always fall back onto a worker at the building site. It just seems the most logical (again, knowing only what I know, which probably isn't much): That area was just at the beginning of being developed. On one side was a busy-ish, slightly sketchy commercial district. On the other, woods and unoccupied land, with railroad tracks nearby. It was known to be a hangout for transients. I personally know people who've said that wouldn't have lived there, at that time, for all the tea in China. The condos were only partially done, which led to empty or nearly-empty buildings, and at night, when the mall closed, I'd think it would be a scary place. (J even mentioned this to her family.) At the time she lived there, there wasn't a working security system in place.

So, you have a bunch of workers, probably many of them not long-employed and, therefore, not well known to construction/building management, coming and going. Sure, there were likely quite a few regulars as well, but as anyone who lived there at the time can attest to, in situations like this, many of these folks would be hired on the spot as fill-ins. Day laborer types. There's been a question about people living in the apartment across from J but, really, whether anyone was actually living there seems beside the point. There were many opportunities, I'd think, for empty apartments, apartments under construction, etc., to be used here and there as temporary pads.

So, where is J? If I had to bet, I'd say long gone. There must have been literally hundreds of dumpsters around that area at the time, behind businesses, apartment buildings, construction sites, etc.

And the fact that they were construction workers adds other elements to hiding the body. Was anyone working on the ground level or basement pouring concrete? Construction workers also use industrial size dumpsters that hold tons of debris.

 

[minazoe]

Rob never received his wake up call and was actually late for work Tuesday. He tried to text and call her a few times and didn’t get her. "

this one little shift in the normalcy, also they were fighting, then you add the ex being there in her home alone all weekend and things just feel dicey...like jealousy and a beautiful female who is very popular and young, owning her own condo, making her
quite the heartbreaker and very desirable.

I feel like if someone wanted to SA and murder her she would have just been left there at the scene.

I know some serial killers like to kidnap their victims and move them another location, but I just look at her situation and feel drawn to her relationships with men.

mOO