FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[CatLynnette]

Exactly right. Not to mention that LE is going to "focus" on people who fit the description. who knows if LE is even considering suspects taller than 5"5. IF not, it's possible, the POI was never even considered.

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To me, it is a scary thought that perhaps this crime could have been solved a long time ago if only a more accurate height had been given of the suspect.

Just my own opinion

 

[leftcoast]

Many thanks Utopia for the link to the Dateline interview.
I repeat the link here because already it is a few pages back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756094/

In this we see Det Ring make the 'as close to a vanishing as I have seen' statement.
There is a lot of other good footage as well.
This was filmed in May 2006.

The thing that really hits home is after all this time we know nothing more that we did in May 2006. In fact, nothing has really changed since Feb '06.
Well, apart from some poor quality video we know nothing about the suspect.

This case is frustrating in the extreme.

Thanks for repeating the link

From that interview, it appeared that LE had "no clue" who is responsible. Normally, LE will have a list of 3 or 4 people that they like as suspects, but, they can't tie them to the car. According to LIst, it appears LE had nothing. LE even admitted on GRETA that they had "no leads".

When you hear "vanished". It makes me wonder. Even an incident in a parking lot is usually noticed.

Call me stubborn, but, I am keeping open the chance that JK was simply pulled into another condo on the way to the car, or that somebody removed her from her condo with a gun.

This crime is just too clean, and I don't like the word "vanished". To me, it means pre-planned.

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[leftcoast]

I know it seems highly unlikely but was Jennifer abducted by someone she knew?

This case is so clean and devoid of physical evidence it must have been very well planned.
Was her guard down because of knowing her abductor?

Did her meeting up with this person turn into an abduction later on?
Could they have both left Mosaic as one person (Jennifer) giving someone she knew a lift someplace?

The main problem with the abductor being someone she knew is fitting the POI/suspect into the scenario.
Nobody recognises him.

I'm thinking we really have to go outside the square on this case.
We need angles nobody as considered before and that isn't easy.

Mystery

Yes, it is very possible the suspect is someone she knew, but her family didn't

think about it, her family wouldn't know all her neighbors, her co-workers, the guy at starbucks, the guy from the gym, the checker at the grocery store, etc.

who's to say it wasn't someone who didn't have a car that JK would give a lift to the bus stop on the way to work, or carpool.

Did JK ever give anyone a ride from her office to work.

Plus, everybody is focused on the POI, being a certain height, with some type of hat. What if he is some bald guy, who is a little taller, and looks nothing like that picture. Maybe he is wearing his workout clothes.

no, I think you are right. It is time to think outside the box.

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[CatLynnette]

The suspect could be a resident of the Mosaic Condominiums, a worker at Mosaic, a construction worker from the apartment building site behind the Mosaic, one of Jennifer's co-workers or else a client. Any other thoughts of who the suspect could be?

 

[leftcoast]

To me, it is a scary thought that perhaps this crime could have been solved a long time ago if only a more accurate height had been given of the suspect.

Just my own opinion

Yes, Even if we are wrong, and the POI is 5"4, which he may be.

I hate it when LE gives an exact height based on an estimate. It may lead some to avoid calling in tips simply because the person they suspect is too short or too tall.

IF I were LE, I would have simply said " Do you recognize this person", and leave it at that.

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[leftcoast]

The suspect could be a resident of the Mosaic Condominiums, a worker at Mosaic, a construction worker from the apartment building site behind the Mosaic, one of Jennifer's co-workers or else a client. Any other thoughts of who the suspect could be?

garbageman, cable installer, delivery man, newspaper delivery man, pizza delivery man, friend of a resident, friend of one of the boys at JK's over the weekend, downstairs neighbor, neighbor from her previous apartment complex, old boyfriend, college friend, a mover, someone from the sales office, security guard,

someone who works at one of the restaurants or starbucks she frequents.

or just someone who followed JK home one night

 

[Myserty64]

Mosaic

It is worth noting that the Mosaic of today is very different to what is was like when Jennifer lived there.

There was construction behind Mosaic and the construction site was NOT fenced in in the rear of Mosaic. Mosaic was only fenced in on the front and two sides. It is quite possible that the poi parked his own car on the construction site and walked over to where Jennifer parked her car. Her parking spot was visible and accessible from the construction site.

 

[CatLynnette]

That is a long list of possibilities of who the suspect could be.

The suspect does look like he could possibly do kitchen work in a restaurant.

Also, I haven't forgotten the weekend guests staying at Jennifer's Condo while she was away on vacation with Rob. These weekend guests were Jennifer's brother and his friends. Could the suspect be one of them or else a friend of a friend?

Didn't I read a recent article saying that Law Enforcement has DNA from the suspect from him driving Jennifer's car? The DNA doesn't match anyone in the criminal data base. If this is true, then wouldn't Law Enforcement know a few things about the suspect such as verification that the suspect is male and his blood type?

 

[rd_jfc]

Yes, Even if we are wrong, and the POI is 5"4, which he may be.

I hate it when LE gives an exact height based on an estimate. It may lead some to avoid calling in tips simply because the person they suspect is too short or too tall.

IF I were LE, I would have simply said " Do you recognize this person", and leave it at that.

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There's not much to recognize, and I sure hope both the Orlando police and FBI can't be totally clueless in determining the height from a picture.

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[leftcoast]

There's not much to recognize, and I sure hope both the Orlando police and FBI can't be totally clueless in determining the height from a picture.

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ARe you stating you agree with the estimate of 5"4?

My point is this. IF that POI was my brother, my father, my best friend, I believe I could recognize him. The KEsse's also believe this, and have stated such. Do you disagree with this?

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[leftcoast]

That is a long list of possibilities of who the suspect could be.

The suspect does look like he could possibly do kitchen work in a restaurant.

Also, I haven't forgotten the weekend guests staying at Jennifer's Condo while she was away on vacation with Rob. These weekend guests were Jennifer's brother and his friends. Could the suspect be one of them or else a friend of a friend?

Didn't I read a recent article saying that Law Enforcement has DNA from the suspect from him driving Jennifer's car? The DNA doesn't match anyone in the criminal data base. If this is true, then wouldn't Law Enforcement know a few things about the suspect such as verification that the suspect is male and his blood type?

Excellent point Cat

Yes, to my knowledge, DNA analysis does tell LE if the DNA is from a male or female.

Great point.

I still wonder how LE knows the DNA sample is from the POI.

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[CatLynnette]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before many pages back in this thread.

This is where it is mentioned that Law Enforcement has a fingerprint and possible DNA of the suspect in Jennifer Kesse's disappearance.

Watch the video at this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5RLG0HrMQ&mode=related&search=

 

[leftcoast]

Mosaic

It is worth noting that the Mosaic of today is very different to what is was like when Jennifer lived there.

There was construction behind Mosaic and the construction site was NOT fenced in in the rear of Mosaic. Mosaic was only fenced in on the front and two sides. It is quite possible that the poi parked his own car on the construction site and walked over to where Jennifer parked her car. Her parking spot was visible and accessible from the construction site.

Great point mystery.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that the POI was a "mountain biker" type, who would use trails behind Mosaic, who just happened to notice JK.

I know it is far fetched, but it could explain why he used her car, why he avoided the front gate, the clothing, and helmet? (I must admit, to this day, I still think it is a helmet), the tapered lower pants, etc.

I do remember something about the dogs tracing the scent or something back to the perimeter of the trees. Do you remember such a statement?

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[leftcoast]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before many pages back in this thread.

This is where it is mentioned that Law Enforcement has a fingerprint and possible DNA of the suspect in Jennifer Kesse's disappearance.

Watch the video at this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5RLG0HrMQ&mode=related&search=

Thanks for the LINK

Even the former chief stated that a girlfriend or friend of the POI might notice the clothing, shoes, etc.

It would be nice to know what the source of DNA is?

AS for prints, I do believe they have prints. It explains why LE skipped 10 seconds on the video. Maybe it is just a partial, or the person has never been arrested before.

IF LE does have a print they know is from the POI, why don't they just ask for a print sample from their top suspects? The reason, I don't think LE has any top suspects. They basically admitted it on tv the other day.

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[CatLynnette]

left,

Good point. If the suspect is a bicyclist then it would explain why he needed Jennifer's car to transport Jennifer to wherever he took her. Otherwise, why not use his own vehicle? I know that Jennifer's mother had said that the suspect had been driving Jennifer's car around that morning.

Rumor has it that a surveillance camera caught Jennifer's car on film at the corner of John Young Parkway and Conroy/Americana that morning. Sorry, I don't have any links regarding this.

 

[Beyond Belief]

So the perp walks back to Mosaic at noon, per the dogs, so how did he get off the Mosaic property if they have a security guard?
When they say the cell phone went straight to voice mail, does that mean it didn't ring at all or rang the normal then went to voice mail?
He knew they were looking for her because the cell phone was ringing like crazy.
So did they find a gym bag that belonged to this guy or not? What evidence did they find with it? Why an old gym bag? Was this guy one of the homeless bums that live all over the woods in Orlando?

 

[leftcoast]

left,

Good point. If the suspect is a bicyclist then it would explain why he needed Jennifer's car to transport Jennifer to wherever he took her. Otherwise, why not use his own vehicle? I know that Jennifer's mother had said that the suspect had been driving Jennifer's car around that morning.

Rumor has it that a surveillance camera caught Jennifer's car on film at the corner of John Young Parkway and Conroy/Americana that morning. Sorry, I don't have any links regarding this.

Thanks: actually, the very first day, the first time I saw the POI, I thought bicyclist, helmet, shoes, and the tapered pants. But, after a while, I kind of wavered.

But, the more I look at the picture, it just seems like the shape of a helmet. THE head is much too big for the body. Plus, the odd shape, and the reflection off the head. Sure, it could be a hat, but I just can't get the helmet thing out of my head. lol

I've always wondered if LE had a picture of the POI in the car with JK. It just seems that "hints" have been given they do, but no affirmation. Especially with that passenger seat so far back, and reclined. hmm

You bring up an interesting point. The KEsse's would camp out at Young Parkway/Americana. I always wondered, do they know something, or are they just trying to get the busiest intersection. Plus, to get to HOTG, one would have to drive past that intersection.

Thanks for sharing that rumor. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was true.

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[CatLynnette]

So the perp walks back to Mosaic at noon, per the dogs, so how did he get off the Mosaic property if they have a security guard?

I take it that you are talking about the guard in the guard house. This is a very good question. Either the person manning the guard house was not attentive or, even more likely, the suspect was a resident at the Mosaic or a worker at the Mosaic. The only other conclusion is that the suspect was a bicyclist and he entered and exited the back way through the construction site.

The suspect must have had a reason for returning to the Mosaic Condominiums. Bo, the bloodhound, confirmed the trail from the Huntington On The Green Condominiums to the Mosaic Condominiums at Jennifer's building. Was the suspect retrieving his vehicle or his bicycle?

 

[leftcoast]

So the perp walks back to Mosaic at noon, per the dogs, so how did he get off the Mosaic property if they have a security guard?
When they say the cell phone went straight to voice mail, does that mean it didn't ring at all or rang the normal then went to voice mail?
He knew they were looking for her because the cell phone was ringing like crazy.
So did they find a gym bag that belonged to this guy or not? What evidence did they find with it? Why an old gym bag? Was this guy one of the homeless bums that live all over the woods in Orlando?

Don't know how he got out after the security guards. But, if he lived there, or worked there, he wouldn't have had any problems.

or if he simply went back to retreive his bicycle, he could have just ridden out of the back of the complex.

I don't remember hearing that the complex was shut down. The complex should have written down all license plate numbers, but I don't think that happened.

My understanding is that JK's cellphone did not ring, but went straight to voicemail which has never happened before.

What are the rumors about the gym bag. I keep hearing these rumors.

Did the POI get a gym bag out of the back of JK's car? is that why the vidoe was sped up?

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[Beyond Belief]

Don't know how he got out after the security guards. But, if he lived there, or worked there, he wouldn't have had any problems.

or if he simply went back to retreive his bicycle, he could have just ridden out of the back of the complex.

I don't remember hearing that the complex was shut down. The complex should have written down all license plate numbers, but I don't think that happened.

My understanding is that JK's cellphone did not ring, but went straight to voicemail which has never happened before.

What are the rumors about the gym bag. I keep hearing these rumors.

Did the POI get a gym bag out of the back of JK's car? is that why the vidoe was sped up?

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Whoa...........that news was broadcasted back when this happened, they dug an old gymbag out of a dumpster, i guess at the place where the car was found. I don't know if it was connected to the perp or not.