FL - Multiple Fatalities at Mass Shooting at Madden Gaming Tournament, Jacksonville, 26 Aug 2018

[SunVenus]

I was thinking further about the catalogue of reasons for police call-outs:



When I saw "medical emergency" I'd assumed that was mental health related but that doesn't seem likely since "mental illness" was mentioned separately. So "medical emergency" must refer to physical health.

Is that related to "domestic", and what does "domestic" mean anyway? And what about "check on welfare"?

That sounds to me like a seriously troubled household. We know that David had been assessed as being capable of violence, so was he physically attacking his parents or brother, or was something else going on in the house?

It would be interesting to know who was calling the police - someone in the household or the neighbours?

Check welfare usually means that someone was unable to contact someone in the house, or that someone suspected there might be some harm going on to someone in the house. I think this may point back to the psychiatric issues. In fact, much of that list could be related to mental health concerns.

I agree, a very troubled household.

 

[SeesSeas]

Pushing, shoving, punched a hole in door. . .
Why the Jacksonville attacker was able to legally buy guns
August 29 at 7:04 PM
[...]
In a court transcript from 2007, Katz’s mother was asked whether her son posed a threat to her safety. She responded: “I can’t envision anything more than the pushing and shoving that has gone on infrequently, but . . . it’s occurred in the past.”

Howard County police records obtained by The Washington Post show that law enforcement officials were summoned to the family’s home on multiple occasions for domestic disputes.

In late December 2006, one day after Katz turned 13, a police officer wrote that Katz’s mother said she and her son had “a verbal dispute” over the television’s volume and “his overall lack of respect toward her and his grandmother.” A year later, officers were called back a day after Katz’s 14th birthday. The police report describes Katz as the caller and says he “stated that he called police because his mother is being unfair to him. He stated that she keeps punishing him by taking away his video games.”

Another transcript in the court record states that Katz’s mother took away some of his gaming equipment because he had been playing until 4 a.m. on school nights.

“I’d get up and find that he was just walking around the house in circles, just walking in circles,” she continued, according to the transcript. “He had gotten so angry that I put his gaming controllers in my bedroom behind the locked door that he actually punched a hole in my door.”
[...]

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Why the Jacksonville attacker was able to legally buy guns
August 29 at 7:04 PM
[...]
In a court transcript from 2007, Katz’s mother was asked whether her son posed a threat to her safety. She responded: “I can’t envision anything more than the pushing and shoving that has gone on infrequently, but . . . it’s occurred in the past.”

Howard County police records obtained by The Washington Post show that law enforcement officials were summoned to the family’s home on multiple occasions for domestic disputes.

In late December 2006, one day after Katz turned 13, a police officer wrote that Katz’s mother said she and her son had “a verbal dispute” over the television’s volume and “his overall lack of respect toward her and his grandmother.” A year later, officers were called back a day after Katz’s 14th birthday. The police report describes Katz as the caller and says he “stated that he called police because his mother is being unfair to him. He stated that she keeps punishing him by taking away his video games.”

Another transcript in the court record states that Katz’s mother took away some of his gaming equipment because he had been playing until 4 a.m. on school nights.

“I’d get up and find that he was just walking around the house in circles, just walking in circles,” she continued, according to the transcript. “He had gotten so angry that I put his gaming controllers in my bedroom behind the locked door that he actually punched a hole in my door.”
[...]

Thank you. That's what I'd been looking for again but couldn't find.

So at 13 David was physically violent to his mother, and his mother seems to have been trying to bring some stability into his life. It's interesting how much of a flashpoint games seem to have been even then. He was clearly aggressive to his mother when his games were taken away.

 

[SunVenus]

Get this:

"A year later, officers were called back a day after Katz’s 14th birthday. The police report describes Katz as the caller and says he “stated that he called police because his mother is being unfair to him. He stated that she keeps punishing him by taking away his video games."

I know that there is a serious issue here about DK and his deplorable actions, but jiminy christmas-- what sort of kid does this? He was CLEARLY not in touch with reality, even at a young age.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I know that there is a serious issue here about DK and his deplorable actions, but jiminy christmas-- what sort of kid does this? He was CLEARLY not in touch with reality, even at a young age.

It's not uncommon for children to call the police because a parent, usually the mother, has confiscated something like a phone, punished them in some way, not let them go out or demanded that they do their homework/chores. Although it usually involves younger children I've certainly read of cases involving teenagers before.

But yes, it's obvious something was going wrong in the Katz household.

One thing though - the fact that David went out and bought two firearms suggest that either his father had none in the house or if he did they were well secured.

 

[SunVenus]

It's not uncommon for children to call the police because a parent, usually the mother, has confiscated something like a phone, punished them in some way, not let them go out or demanded that they do their homework/chores. Although it usually involves younger children I've certainly read of cases involving teenagers before.

But yes, it's obvious something was going wrong in the Katz household.

One thing though - the fact that David went out and bought two firearms suggest that either his father had none in the house or if he did they were well secured.

Wow, I'd never have thought to call the cops on my folks for anything. I just slammed doors and gave them the silent treatment. Which is funny now-- it must have been a relief as I was otherwise mouthy as a teen.

But back to the issue. Do we know if the parents were gun owners? DK was 24, correct? And he bought the guns recently. I wonder if that too, was very different from the upbringing he had. Maybe his folks were not firearms types, but DK got the guns for a very specific purpose. That would incline towards premeditation.

Yet how could he know he'd lose at the Madden tourny? If he won, would he have shot up some other place for some imagined slight?

I know I've harped on this, but it just seems so... weird.

IMO DK was a ticking time bomb. If not the gaming event, it would have been his family, and/or some other location.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

IMO DK was a ticking time bomb. If not the gaming event, it would have been his family, and/or some other location.

Agreed. I think he was described as a timebomb in one of the earliest articles linked in this thread.

 

[CARIIS]

Gaming Bar where two were killed in fatal Florida Madden shooting did not have a valid building permit and has been shut down


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it takes a mass shooting to find a dangerous place

 

[CARIIS]

Jacksonville shooter had troubling history but passed background check | Daily Mail Online




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• Gun buyers fail a background check if they are involuntarily admitted for any period of time into a psychiatric ward, or voluntarily admitted for over 30 days

30 days ===========one is lucky if they can find a bed for 3 days!

 

[CARIIS]

Okay, just thinking out loud here, bear with me.

In one of the articles on DK I think it was said he bought the guns recently. Then he deliberately took them with him to the Madden event.

Did he intend early on to shoot the place up? Or was it a spur of the moment decision?

He probably went to the competition intending to win, so was his loss and the resulting murders not premeditated?

I'm not excusing DK and his deplorable choices, just wondering if it hadn't been the Madden tourny, would he have found some other place to shoot and kill?

I dont know kinda thinking media has some stuff messed up

shocker

there was def reports that it was specially targeted but none of those shot had just beat him

Apparently this community is tight knit so i think the targets might be more of a long term conflict Possibly more along the lines of bullying are ridicule as a result of his unique behaviors as a result of his mental issues

more bully or hate crime?

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

I agree, his bringing 2 guns, and not just one, is very suspicious. plus apparently one of them had an add on aiming device

the lazor thing is creepy and kinda seems like might be connected to unique thinking patterns.

It was well lit not crowded etc etc so it seem the lazer . for lack of a better wrod cooler neater special ops inhis mind you know what imean

 

[Jennifer17]

Sometimes kids like him do have real medical problems like anxiety induced asthma attacks or life threatening allergies. That may well have been the medical emergency.

 

[human]

Sounds a lot like the history of the Parkland shooter

 

[Jennifer17]

Sounds a lot like the history of the Parkland shooter

Or the Sandy Hook shooter. There is another ingredient here though, aside from mental illness.

 

[MaryG12]

The building where this tournament was held apparently did not have any security because if it did, DK would not have been able to bring in those two guns in his backpack.

Exactly how many people attended this event?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The building where this tournament was held apparently did not have any security because if it did, DK would not have been able to bring in those two guns in his backpack.

Exactly how many people attended this event?

I understand it was fewer than 100 competitors.

 

[Isabelle]

The building where this tournament was held apparently did not have any security because if it did, DK would not have been able to bring in those two guns in his backpack.

Exactly how many people attended this event?

That would depend on the type of security. I volunteer at a museum and we have security but there is nothing that would stop someone from carrying a gun concealed. Occasionally they set up a table at the entrance and check for guns, but that’s only right after a shooting issue in this country. Should be every day all day, but I don’t make the rules.

 

[bluesneakers]

I dont know kinda thinking media has some stuff messed up

shocker

there was def reports that it was specially targeted but none of those shot had just beat him

Apparently this community is tight knit so i think the targets might be more of a long term conflict Possibly more along the lines of bullying are ridicule as a result of his unique behaviors as a result of his mental issues

more bully or hate crime?

jmo

Could it just be targeted in that he took his time to get a clear shot vs randomly fired into the crowd?

 

[bluesneakers]

Or the Sandy Hook shooter. There is another ingredient here though, aside from mental illness.

@CARIIS taught me the typical math is: emotional and behavioral issues + males + domestic violence + guns.

Don’t Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings; Blame Men

 

[MaryG12]

@CARIIS taught me the typical math is: emotional and behavioral issues + males + domestic violence + guns.

Don’t Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings; Blame Men

I'd go one further, make that, males who cannot handle losing and rejection.

I am hesitant to call them men, if only for the following reason, where I come from, a man can handle losing without flying off the handle and shooting everyone in sight.