France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

[Mrs G Norris]

It's semantics whether Anons took down Daesh-related twitter accounts, or twitter did as the result of mass reporting by Anons.

At least they are doing all they can legally online to disrupt communications and the spread of propaganda.

Also, I think you misunderstand why they are called Anonymous.

Blogs are opinions; informed or not.

Anonymous admits it doesn't even know themselves if they are Daesh accounts (read the tweet at the bottom by #OpParis

http://jesterscourt.cc/2015/11/17/p...ment-media-folks-anonymous-are-suckering-you/

More than likely they just reported a whole lot of accounts that use arabic, which is just what Daesh wants - an us against them world, if more Muslims feel that the west is against them, Daesh will find it easier to get recruits.

Anonymous should leave it to the experts, and stop attaching themselves to this tragedy for attention.

 

[CARIIS]

fellow WSers, has a prelim quick spell check run , to do a total one puts by doggie in grave danger of smoke inhalation as the spell checker cools off................ a cleaner upper if you will not a spotless floor

I truly believe, that in the long run , folks running around , especially leaders of nations, running about "you will not change us our way of life etc is very dangerous . First off false. But this has got about, IMO, we have about 72 hours, (ok not really, till monday, unless a nuclear bomb went usa leaders take three day weekends no matter what) ... it then becomes only political, budget, bla bal bal.


They should all know this they live it! IMO, they should be doing an "overture" before Act 1 . That suite should sound like


imo only


1. We have been severely impacted.
In the coming weeks all of us enjoying the freedoms that have for decades, have to realize, that now we are going to have to each ask ourselves what is our balance going to be?

We have already given up much (trying to get on aplane without it taking half a day of our lives)..

Accepting that for a superbowl event we cant backpack, water etc. Ha,me ata Superball, never got it, a bunch of adults chasing a little brown thing all over the place - just seems kind of .... mo

We have had to give up the notion that we are glamours movie stars .....The extadinary moment , in Sunset Blvd :"All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up". Awesomw , amazing , chills up and down ones spine!

But we have all beenn on camera everywhere we exist, and have , well most dealt.

-- we have accepted ;that, kinda

I am now the president of the united nations (!) It is time for the world to accept, prepare, for more of things we treasure , to be really a piece of chalk, on a blackboard or (!) green board, that is going to end up being erased. (our freedoms)

We have since 9-11 as citizens believed that we , as a world, can accept this , under the guise, that we will be "safe" under this guise.

We have to grasp, grieve, the reality that , that we are going to have exist in more intrusive environs, and realize , that we really , as the past decade has showed us , not really all that safe

But in the spirit of "trying" we shall (have to continue to try) not try not to fall on a slippery floor, but in reality when we are on the way down the fall , realize it was not successful ............" our efforts not to fall did not really do all that much.

Instead of , (government worldwide) should be preparing their citizens , that more restrictions are coming, our deficits are going to grow immensely, and that at the end of the day


its a cr@p shoot................................

 

[bluesneakers]

A bad sign it is indeed that newscasters are once again talking about protection of the US "homeland."

Haven't heard that godawful term in years. It is a term folks of a certain generation associate most readily with Nazism. Nazi Germany leader-criminals used that term frequently to whip up nationalist sentiment, to provoke and to deepen a sense of Us versus Them. It is an appalling term, a dog whistle, a heads up that an endless war against shadows is back in favor.

Yep, it's a great term for whooping up some nationalistic pride. JMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

It wouldn't matter what I posted in here.......you'd find something wrong with it one way or the other.

I find something wrong with people spreading urban legends as if they're truth, yes, but it's nothing personal. Please don't take it that way.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Perfect...........

It's a shame Russia and France have to do all the heavy lifting, but our "leaders" are probably doing a group hug and singing "Kumbaya" in the rotunda.

They'll all have a lovely high tea in the rose garden and wonder if they can find a way to take all the credit while Putin sweeps this whole mess up ..

 

[cottonweaver]

Well , all I can say is that from what I have been reading, I have learned an awful lot and for me the European urgency is over :
- passport checking for Euro passport holders that let has allowed so many fighters to slip back into Europe unchecked and then roam between capitals. ( Shame we can't match the US systems)
- the amount of unregulated assault weapons flooding Europe
I won't go on listing .....but safe to say these were not my top concerns before I started reading the articles!

anyway- of the 4.30 am siege - best account IMO is here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ooms-gunfire-shatter-silence-suburban-morning

third body under the rubble in StDenis

FMTV reports that there may be the third body of a terrorist found in the rubble of the appartment which was damaged after a woman set of her suicide belt earlier today.
The interior minister also said that it was necessary to wait for identification to take place

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...id-Molenbeek-suspects-Syria-bombing-live.html

on the female who blew herself up in St Denis - the blonde

Henry Samuels writes: Hasna Aitboulahcen, reportedly the woman who blew herself up in a police raid in Saint-Denis on Wednesday, was known by French intelligence to have "offered her services to commit terrorist attacks in France", according to iTele citing police sources.
Aitboulahcen, a cousin of Abdelhami Abaaoud, the suspected mastermind of last Friday's Paris attacks, had been under "triple surveillance" from French intelligence, judges and the police for drugs running and terror probes.t was thanks to her bugged communication that detectives swooped on the Saint-Denis flat.
"She had offered her services to commit terror attacks in France," iTele said, but had never travelled to Syria or Iraq.
The rolling TV news channel said that she had "curiously been running a real estate company that had been bankrupt for several years".

I'm guessing she is what you US posters would call a "nut-job"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...id-Molenbeek-suspects-Syria-bombing-live.html

ISIL have put up images of an example of a bomb in a Schweppes can - took down the Russian flight
same link as above

ISIL started to move fighters out of Raqqa for Mosul, 3 days before the attacks - so the air strikes will need to move

Most critically for us in Europe who are very much at risk, France is pressing for improved border checks for EU passport holders . Might lead to other countries doing so. (IDK much about British systems as yet other than non Schengen)

 

[Mindmatters]

Reuters report this morning on a Russian initiative:

Putin sets up commission to combat terrorism financing



http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2

Reuters are also reporting that the terror cell which police are raiding in Saint-Denis had planned an attack in La Défense, the commercial area of Paris.
This has not been confirmed by official sources

Thanks for this post Cottonweaver.

BBM--THIS, along with destroying their oil supply (main source of income), is how you truly begin to defeat these radicalized murderers. Choking off their lifesource will slowly but surely limit their ability to carry out their

TBH IMO, the most effective way to truly bring them to their knees is to get a stranglehold on their financial resources AND find a way to minimize their propaganda/recruitment campaign.

 

[steelman]

I find something wrong with people spreading urban legends as if they're truth, yes, but it's nothing personal. Please don't take it that way.

T
hey don't know for sure how much of it is true or not.........read your own post.

 

[wfgodot]

[video=youtube;lRbbEQkraYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbbEQkraYg[/video]

 

[Bohemian]

Anonymous admits it doesn't even know themselves if they are Daesh accounts (read the tweet at the bottom by #OpParis

http://jesterscourt.cc/2015/11/17/p...ment-media-folks-anonymous-are-suckering-you/

More than likely they just reported a whole lot of accounts that use arabic, which is just what Daesh wants - an us against them world, if more Muslims feel that the west is against them, Daesh will find it easier to get recruits.

Anonymous should leave it to the experts, and stop attaching themselves to this tragedy for attention.

Yes, I read the 'reference' for your opinion the first time you posted it.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether the experts have handled the communications situation between terrorists any more effectively than Anons, seeing as they got the information for their latest raids from surveillance (ie, legal hacking) of a discarded mobile phone they stumbled upon.

I defer to your extensive knowledge and intimate understanding of Anonymous and their motives based on one #Op tweet on a blog post.

 

[ZaZara]

I'm extremely glad the attack at Charles De Gaulle airport in France was thwarted it is very sad the hero police dog Diesel died in the process. Animals like her do an amazing service that is often forgotten. She was a lovely dog from the photos and had earned two medals. At least her death was not in vain and a police officer didn't die instead. Her contribution has been remembered on social media etc.

Hero police dog walks to her death: Heartbreaking photo shows Diesel just moments before she was killed by woman suicide bomber in Paris siege http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urs-killed-suicide-bomber-sent-apartment.html

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The picture dates from 2012 and shows Faxor, a male Malinois belonging to the Marines in Toulon.
Faxor served in Afghanistan and specializes in detection of explosives.

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/a...tection-d-explosifs-faxor-matricule-2-gnz-193

 

[Bohemian]

When I read threads like this, I get the sense that many people would like to do something to make the situation better. I have a few tips.

First, just do the good things that you always do. Be vigilant. Give blood. Be kind to strangers. Volunteer your time, or donate money. Help a friend or a neighbor.

Second, and this is the most important thing -- go about your life as you usually do. Groups like ISIL/ISIS/IS are called terrorists because the points on the scoreboard that matter to them are the number of souls they terrify/scare. If you act like you are scared of what is to come, you let them win. And really, you have no rational need to fear them. You're more likely to be killed in a car accident on the way to church than you are to be killed by them. Heck, you're more likely to be killed by a moose or a racoon than you are to be killed by ISIL.

These groups traffic in fear. Their biggest weapons are not guns or bombs, but the media, and the fear that people in safe places feel when they hear scary things. So, if you want to beat them, stop being scared of them.

Bless you.

 

[Mindmatters]

Not everyone views the use of 'homeland' in a negative way. I associate it with patriotism. Maybe that's not PC, it's hard to keep track anymore.

As for the shadows, that would be radical Islamic terrorists.

Thanks for this BBelleLA. This is so true, thought it was nothing more, nothing less, than a reference to the place/nation from where you came/live, i.e., US Homeland Security, simply means securing the US Homeland.

Crazy, crazy times we live in when the words you use are ba$tardized/determined to mean or imply anything other than the factual definition.:scared::facepalm: :gaah:


BBM--PS. I hope you know that this is not directed toward you, it is a general opinion--I enjoy reading your thoughts and opinions and have nothing but the utmost respect for you Hope4More!

 

[wfgodot]

Words are all we have; it's correct to call out loaded terms.

It's especially correct to call out "homeland," which echoes the German tripartite motto of the Vichy regime: "Travail, Famille, Patrie." Fatherland and homeland are synonyms. Long live Liberté, égalité, fraternité.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travail,_famille,_patrie

 

[Zuri]

Our Governor stated he would not turn refugees away. I am very embarrassed for those Governors who stated they would.


http://www.delawareonline.com/story...rkell-reverse-syrian-refugee-stance/75864050/

 

[cottonweaver]

They'll all have a lovely high tea in the rose garden and wonder if they can find a way to take all the credit while Putin sweeps this whole mess up ..

I know we are all "bigging up " Putin at the moment, but let's not completely forget that he has his own political ambitions for this area and wishes to strengthen his position in the Middle East.

 

[Bohemian]

Words are all we have; it's correct to call out loaded terms.

It's especially correct to call out "homeland," which echoes the German tripartite motto of the Vichy regime: "Travail, Famille, Patrie." Fatherland and homeland are synonyms. Long live Liberté, égalité, fraternité.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travail,_famille,_patrie

Agreed, especially now that my countymen are being told that we have to 'change our attitude to privacy', in other words; 'ready yourself for further mass surveillance regardless of whether it's warranted or not'.

Vive la France!

 

[Mindmatters]

[video=youtube;lRbbEQkraYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbbEQkraYg[/video]

Great find and beautiful video. Thank you for posting this wfgodot.

 

[Mindmatters]

A question--I have deduced that the French "Prosecutor" is equivalent to the DOJ US Attorney General, is this correct? Thanks in advance.

 

[cottonweaver]

Thanks for this post Cottonweaver.

BBM--THIS, along with destroying their oil supply (main source of income), is how you truly begin to defeat these radicalized murderers. Choking off their lifesource will slowly but surely limit their ability to carry out their

TBH IMO, the most effective way to truly bring them to their knees is to get a stranglehold on their financial resources AND find a way to minimize their propaganda/recruitment campaign.

BIB I agree on the financial front. On the oil issue I believe Turkey is still buying oil directly from them.
On the recruitment drive - I notice Hollande will try to get a Law passed soon to outlaw all "glorifying of violence" etc, radical imams. We have had 20 years of them in the UK. But whatever you do there will still be a vast resource available online easily accessed by the young. As you'll know we have a huge problem over here with teenage "jihadi brides" going to Syria- there has to be a way to nullify the allure for these teenagers and make ISIS a figure of fun, of completely mockery so that they are deemed totally uncool.