France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

[Elley Mae]

Can governors legally reject Syrian refugees?

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These governors are likely standing on shaky ground, as there is no legal way for them to prevent refugee resettlement, according to multiple experts. And their opposition is largely symbolic, since once Syrians (or any refugees) are in the U.S., they have the right to travel anywhere they want, just like any other resident. If the Obama administration wanted to challenge these governors on their threats, they would handily beat them in court, experts say.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/can-governors-really-reject-syrian-refugees-000440043.html

bbm Who are these experts? I think it can be undone and they(Gov) should fight to keep them(refugees) out. jmo idk

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/paris-attacks/

Before Paris attacks, France and allies tried to kill suspected mastermind

(How encouraging...)

 

[K_Z]

Can governors legally reject Syrian refugees?

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These governors are likely standing on shaky ground, as there is no legal way for them to prevent refugee resettlement, according to multiple experts. And their opposition is largely symbolic, since once Syrians (or any refugees) are in the U.S., they have the right to travel anywhere they want, just like any other resident. If the Obama administration wanted to challenge these governors on their threats, they would handily beat them in court, experts say.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/can-governors-really-reject-syrian-refugees-000440043.html

See? This is the problem with poorly written laws. These people should never have the "right" to travel unrestricted within our country. Not for many years after arrival. There should be a clear and enforced process of documentation required for travel and residency from place to place-- just as in a number of foreign countries for Americans (like China). They should not received the privileges of citizenship. They are guests in our country, and we should be able to control every aspect of their residency and movement, IMO. Penalty for violating the movement rules would be immediate and permanent expulsion from the country. Really, it's not much to ask them to comply with. REAL refugees would be begging us to comply with a minor set of rules like that.

If they choose not to agree to that, I'm fine with it. No refugee status, and no $$ or support, and no entry into this country. They can choose. That's what I'd do.

ETA: Besides, this national conversation on the refugees and the positions of the governors is intended to DELAY the process of bringing them here. There will be MANY court challenges, and hopefully injunctions to arrivals and residency. Hopefully the process will drag out over 5 or more years. This is just the preliminary volley.

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-mastermind-Abdelhamid-Abaaoud-police-failure

Paris terror attack mastermind taunted police for failing to arrest him before attacks


Seriously? Where is intelligence? This is a slap in the face to the western world.

 

[FindHG]

Paris attacks: France hits Islamic State with new airstrikes; police raids continue
By Henry Chu, Reportage de Paris, LOS ANGELES TIMES







"Kerry described Islamic State’s ["Daesh" preferred by Sec K., said like a 'dash' - ] strategy as “just raw terror” and said there was no choice but to fight the group with force.

“We’re not choosing to randomly go to war. We’re trying to avoid it, trying to find a better path,” Kerry said."
...

On Tuesday, the Belgian federal prosecutor’s office charged two men, Mohammed Amri and Hamza Attou, who were arrested over the weekend, with being part of the plot. Belgian media reported that ammonium nitrate, an ingredient often found in homemade explosives, was found at the men’s residence.
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France appealed to its European partners Tuesday for help in combating the threat posed by the group. It invoked a clause in a European Union treaty obligating all EU nations to help a member state that “is the victim of armed aggression.”

It is the first time an EU country has made use of that provision. ...

Greek Defense Minister Panagiotis Kammenos made the comparison explicit...

“we’re in a new situation in Europe. This is Sept. 11 for Europe.”


...

 

[Elley Mae]

Paris and the fall of Rome

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/11/16/paris-and-fall-rome/ErlRjkQMGXhvDarTIxXpdK/story.html



Here is how Edward Gibbon described the Goths’ sack of Rome in August 410 AD:

“In the hour of savage license, when every passion was inflamed, and every restraint was removed . . . a cruel slaughter was made of the Romans; and . . . the streets of the city were filled with dead bodies . . . Whenever the Barbarians were provoked by opposition, they extended the promiscuous massacre to the feeble, the innocent, and the helpless . . .”

Now, does that not describe the scenes we witnessed in Paris on Friday night?

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lim-victims-than-western-deaths-a6737326.html

ISIS responsible for more Muslim victims than Western deaths

Each time I read about the Muslims in the ME, it infuriates me that their own will not stand up and fight for them. Where is the Arab world's rage? Fight for your people!

 

[ZaZara]

17:05
All terrorists were EU citizens - EU chief

Matthew Holehouse writes: Federica Mogherini, the EU's chief diplomat, says that all the attackers are so far believed to be EU citizens. She speaks after a meeting of EU foreign ministers.

"Let me underline, the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat," said the High Representative. She notes the external EU border is an issue regarding returning jihadis. But she adds: "It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security."

Her comments may be part of a pre-emptive effort to help defend Schengen in the coming weeks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...suspects-Syria-Raqqa-boming-arrests-live.html

Also, the NY Times interactive indicates the nationality for 6 of the 8 here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Federica Mogherini is a disaster not yet known to the general public. She claims Policital Islam is a form of debate. That she is looking forward to.

 

[Isabelle]

Can governors legally reject Syrian refugees?

Snip

These governors are likely standing on shaky ground, as there is no legal way for them to prevent refugee resettlement, according to multiple experts. And their opposition is largely symbolic, since once Syrians (or any refugees) are in the U.S., they have the right to travel anywhere they want, just like any other resident. If the Obama administration wanted to challenge these governors on their threats, they would handily beat them in court, experts say.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/can-governors-really-reject-syrian-refugees-000440043.html

Just read this:http://www.wbrz.com/news/catholic-charities-helped-syrian-refugee-in-baton-rouge

 

[K_Z]

Paris and the fall of Rome

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/11/16/paris-and-fall-rome/ErlRjkQMGXhvDarTIxXpdK/story.html



Here is how Edward Gibbon described the Goths’ sack of Rome in August 410 AD:

“In the hour of savage license, when every passion was inflamed, and every restraint was removed . . . a cruel slaughter was made of the Romans; and . . . the streets of the city were filled with dead bodies . . . Whenever the Barbarians were provoked by opposition, they extended the promiscuous massacre to the feeble, the innocent, and the helpless . . .”

Now, does that not describe the scenes we witnessed in Paris on Friday night?

Yup. I've been saying for a long time that we are the holy roman empire in decline.

 

[Elley Mae]

Investigators have identified the speaker of an Islamic State audio message claiming responsibility for Friday's attacks. Information obtained by SPIEGEL indicates the man in question is a French. The lead reinforces theories the attack was likely been planned in Syria.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...wn-french-islamist-in-is-audio-a-1063216.html

 

[ZaZara]

http://www.1limburg.nl/aanslagen-pa...arijs-arrestaties-net-over-grens-bij-kerkrade


Two more persons have been arrested in Alsdorf, near Aachen. Three persons were arrested earlier this morning. The terrorist of the Paris attacks was not among them.

Total number of arrests stands at 5 so far.

 

[Nana]

Just how does this goverment plan to pay for all the refugees?
The goverment doesn't have any money, they can't just print more.
Our schools are terrible, our medical insurance is a wreck, unemployment is already high for the legal citizens.
Where will the jobs come from for all these people?

 

[K_Z]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lim-victims-than-western-deaths-a6737326.html

ISIS responsible for more Muslim victims than Western deaths

Each time I read about the Muslims in the ME, it infuriates me that their own will not stand up and fight for them. Where is the Arab world's rage? Fight for your people!

It's a culture and sect issue, as well as elitist and classist. As in "WE are not like THEM." Particularly prevalent in the wealthy Arab nations. And then there's that tolerance thingy-- all the islamic nations are in the same religious "club", and the wealthy moderates are loathe to criticize the radicalized factions. Kind of a live and let live philosophy "inshallah", but just don't bring your radical terrorism to the wealthy arab nations. (NIMBY principle.)

ETA: It's the same issue with the 2000 pilgrims that just died at this year's Haj in Saudi Arabia. Essentially, the Saudis just said, "Wow-- too bad about that. But other than that, we put on a great Haj! We're ready for next year! Come on back!"

 

[cottonweaver]

Police have arrested two more people in Alsdorf, a police statement said, giving no more details. It brings the total number arrested to five.

Earlier today, three other people, two women and one man, were arrested outside a job centre in the small town near the border with Belgium.

A spokesman said the three were foreign citizens but gave no more information.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...overnight-live#block-564b3b4ce4b0a51fe201881d

Looks like they may have planned another attack in another area of Paris,but failed for whatever reason:

French newspaper L’Obs has pointed to connection between a statement put out by Islamic State the day after the attacks and a black Clio suspected to have been rented by Salah Abdeslam, the suspect still at large, discovered this morning.
IS spoke of attacks at the “Stade de France, in the 10th, 11th and 18th arrondissements.”
There was no attack in the 18th arrondissement but the discovery of the car with a Belgian number plate this morning has led the newspaper to speculate whether there is a connection and if another attack had been planned.
A police source told AFP earlier: “A black Clio, found in Albert Kahn Square in the 18th arrondissement, could have been used prior to the attacks..

“This car was seen on the A1 motorway and could have been part of preliminary operations between Paris and Belgium.

Source - the guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...overnight-live#block-564aff8fe4b0a51fe201870d

Hollande is off to meet Putin and Obama later this month.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I still can not look at pictures of the victims.I just can't..

It would make you cry and your head want to explode. A piece of your heart would forever be missing for each victim. They are smiling in the pictures not knowing what fate awaits them.

I cannot imagine how their families and their significant others must feel. My thoughts and prayers are with them all.

GB Paris and all of France! GB all who care!

 

[Isabelle]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-mastermind-Abdelhamid-Abaaoud-police-failure

Paris terror attack mastermind taunted police for failing to arrest him before attacks


Seriously? Where is intelligence? This is a slap in the face to the western world.

I'm sure we don't have the whole story. He mentions photo comparison. Would like to see side by side what police saw. Appearance changes is very common.

 

[Elley Mae]

My ? is why bother labeling people as known extremist and then do nothing? whats the point of wasting time and money to label people then say we can't do anything about it. Then there is a bombing and they all want us to know that they knew that person had radical views. I mean why bother wasting time and money when nothing can be done till after they maim and kill innocents.jmo idk

 

[K_Z]

Just how does this goverment plan to pay for all the refugees?
The goverment doesn't have any money, they can't just print more.
Our schools are terrible, our medical insurance is a wreck, unemployment is already high for the legal citizens.
Where will the jobs come from for all these people?

1. Taxpayers will pay, as they always do.
2. Our govt will just tax us more, and print more money if they have to.
3. Our schools are just fine, and we have lots of standardized tests to prove it. (lol.)
4. No one knows what medical care costs anyway, and hey-- it's all free now with Obamacare (unless you actually have a job and pay for your insurance, then it costs a lot more than it used to before Obamacare).
5. No one should ever expect the imported refugees to ever work or pay taxes. That's ridiculous.

IMO. We have no problems that cannot be solved by simply creating more government programs, welcoming and financially supporting every person on earth who wants to come here, and taxing the ever-shrinking pool of tax payers. Right? <sarc>

 

[Bohemian]

:wagon::welcome6:

Your first post Bohemian - welcome to WS - on behalf of all the other posters on this forum

OOPS!!! I mis-read you 1 blog entry as your first post - but there's no point deleting my welcome!

Shucks, thanks CW. That may not have been my first post but it's the only welcome and welcome wagon I've had!