France - Five shot, four dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications #1

[kiwi50]

I wonder if had a safe or his stash place rigged to explode.I believe it was posted earlier that the father said to a neighbour he would hide documents/papers?

I think that is a definite possibility.

 

[rotterdam]

Man, this is getting weirder by the minute. Wonder why he did not seek help from British intelligence if he felt threatened. In his line of work, that is not that unusual unless he was in a blackmail situation/illegal thingy.
I read that he wanted to work for Cern and applied there according to a friend. Not really a big thing but found it interesting. Engineers do a lot of job hopping.

"One possible area of inquiry will be the work carried out by Mr al-Hilli in his professional life. The 50-year-old was an engineer and, according to one friend, had recently applied for a job at the Cern laboratory over the border in Switzerland. The complex is a European-wide centre for nuclear research and home to the Large Hadron Collider."

http://m.smh.com.au/world/alps-fami...-finish-off-their-victims-20120909-25lx7.html

 

[~n/t~]

Who is this guy and what did he know? :what:

 

[rotterdam]

Who is this guy and what did he know? :what:

The inheritance family quarrel and his brother are beginning to look fairly insignificant.

 

[~n/t~]

Man, this is getting weirder by the minute. Wonder why he did not seek help from British intelligence if he felt threatened. In his line of work, that is not that unusual unless he was in a blackmail situation/illegal thingy.
I read that he wanted to work for Cern and applied there according to a friend. Not really a big thing but found it interesting. Engineers do a lot of job hopping.

"One possible area of inquiry will be the work carried out by Mr al-Hilli in his professional life. The 50-year-old was an engineer and, according to one friend, had recently applied for a job at the Cern laboratory over the border in Switzerland. The complex is a European-wide centre for nuclear research and home to the Large Hadron Collider."

http://m.smh.com.au/world/alps-fami...-finish-off-their-victims-20120909-25lx7.html

I'm not into science and find it quite boring but there has been a lot of news about the Large Hadron Collider in the last couple of months.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012...r-at-lhc-and-more-hints-about-early-universe/

I have no idea what it all means, if anything and whether or not it's even connected to this case.

Did Mr. Hilli know too much about nuclear science, perhaps?

 

[~n/t~]

The inheritance family quarrel and his brother are beginning to look fairly insignificant.

I agree. Why would the brother want to blow up the "inheritance"?

 

[rotterdam]

I'm not into science and find it quite boring but there has been a lot of news about the Large Hadron Collider in the last couple of months.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012...r-at-lhc-and-more-hints-about-early-universe/

I have no idea what it all means, if anything and whether or not it's even connected to this case.

Did Mr. Hilli know too much about nuclear science, perhaps?

Mr Al-Hilli was a mechanical engineer and apparently a good one, meaning he would be instrumental designing testing gadgets for nuclear scientists brain storms. CERN is the type of facility were science history is being made. Very high security. If he got in trouble because of his job, it would be because of past/current knowledge. So no , I do not see a connection. But only the best of the best would bother to apply at CERN.

 

[~n/t~]

Another mystery is the women in this case. The focus appears to be on Mr. Hilli but I question why the mother in law who resides in Sweden suddenly shows up only to be taken on a camping vacation? A woman who the little 4 year old child says didn't know very well?

 

[Skigh]

this is an interesting link.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline"]Chevaline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Skigh]

Another mystery is the women in this case. The focus appears to be on Mr. Hilli but I question why the mother in law who resides in Sweden suddenly shows up only to be taken on a camping vacation? A woman who the little 4 year old child says didn't know very well?

I have also thought this.Even if the little girl had not known her well previously ,they had several days together as a family,enough for a 4 year old to know she was her Granny.

Apparently police are searching her home in Sweden.

 

[Fluttershy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/10/french-alps-shootings-evacuate-neighbours

French Alps shootings: police evacuate victims' neighbours

On Monday, Surrey police said they were evacuating homes in the village of Claygate after finding items which concerned them. The £1.5m mock Tudor home has been under police guard since Thursday and police and forensic teams began searching the house this weekend for clues which may help French police find the killers.

Ooh eck! As my Granny would say.

Also, this is odd;

French police have confirmed that the elderly woman found murdered in the car was Iqbal al-Hilli's mother.
Detectives had struggled to identify the 74-year-old Swedish passport-holder. Zeena, who survived by hiding underneath her dead mother's skirt for eight hours, was able to confirm her parents' identity, telling investigators who showed her photographs: "That's Mummy … and that's Daddy". However, when asked about the older woman, the traumatised child told them it was someone she had not seen often and was not sure who she was.

 

[Clio]

Another mystery is the women in this case. The focus appears to be on Mr. Hilli but I question why the mother in law who resides in Sweden suddenly shows up only to be taken on a camping vacation? A woman who the little 4 year old child says didn't know very well?

French prosecutor had now confirmed the elderly woman as the maternal grandmother but hasn't named her. Is she the only surviving grandparent? Not sure I believe this was any ordinary camping holiday. Close family fleeing from something perhaps.....

Meanwhile, the elderly woman shot dead in the mystery gun attack in France was the maternal grandmother, French police have confirmed.

The unnamed Swedish woman was found dead in Mr al Hilli's bullet-riddled BMW in Chevaline, near Lake Annecy, on Wednesday afternoon. Next to her in the back was the body of her 47-year-old daughter Iqbal.

http://news.sky.com/story/983064/alps-shooting-bomb-unit-at-family-home

 

[rotterdam]

Another mystery is the women in this case. The focus appears to be on Mr. Hilli but I question why the mother in law who resides in Sweden suddenly shows up only to be taken on a camping vacation? A woman who the little 4 year old child says didn't know very well?

I agree. Mrs Al-Hilli's could be on somebody's hit list too and Mr Al-Hilli was collateral damage.. Ditto for her mom, Suhaila Al-Allaf and her sister Fadwa Al-Saffar(I believe she was in Iraq when the massacre happened) All are being looked at by investigators.
Her mom's home in Sweden is probably being searched too.
Bet no stone is left unturned when espionage could be in the picture.

 

[~n/t~]

French prosecutor had now confirmed the elderly woman as the maternal grandmother but hasn't named her. Is she the only surviving grandparent? Not sure I believe this was any ordinary camping holiday. Close family fleeing from something perhaps.....

I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. My understanding is his dad passed away suddenly in May. Was his death suspicious or did he die of natural causes? Is his mother in Iraq or did she pass also? What about her dad?

We know Mr. Hilli told the neighbour he was afraid for his family in Iraq. Why? I realize the political instability that still remains in that country but for some reason, I don't think that is what he was referring to. :moo:

 

[Skigh]

A French builder, thought to be one of the last people to see the British family alive, said they had arrived at the isolated car park at least an hour before they were killed.

Laurent Fillion-Robin, 38, also said there was no sign of any vehicle following their red BMW and he did not hear any shots.

This is copied from sky website.


Why wait for an hour in a layby -unless you were waiting to meet someone.
I wonder if it had something to do with the cyclist who was also killed.

 

[Clio]

I hope they're checking his other properties.....or the ones his father owned in Spain, South-France and Switzerland.

I haven't seen any reports to this effect as yet.

I have also thought this.Even if the little girl had not known her well previously ,they had several days together as a family,enough for a 4 year old to know she was her Granny.

Apparently police are searching her home in Sweden.

BIB Do you have a source for this please? Thanks

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Dont think its wrong to assume that when the family went on holiday they invited Granny,dont think its any great travelling distance for her to meet up with the family either,its a good chance to meet up.
Also with Granny in tow youve got a built in babysitter to allow you to maybe go to a meet without the kids prior to the murder?,maybe a meet that turned sour and ended on a bad note?

 

[Skigh]

I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. My understanding is his dad passed away suddenly in May. Was his death suspicious or did he die of natural causes? Is his mother in Iraq or did she pass also? What about her dad?We know Mr. Hilli told the neighbour he was afraid for his family in Iraq. Why? I realize the political instability that still remains in that country but for some reason, I don't think that is what he was referring to. :moo:

From what I remember reading, her father is dead as is his mother.

 

[rotterdam]

I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. My understanding is his dad passed away suddenly in May. Was his death suspicious or did he die of natural causes? Is his mother in Iraq or did she pass also? What about her dad?

We know Mr. Hilli told the neighbour he was afraid for his family in Iraq. Why? I realize the political instability that still remains in that country but for some reason, I don't think that is what he was referring to. :moo:

Going by memory from what I read. Mr Al -Hilli's dad died in August last year, his mom 10 years or so ago. Mrs Al-Hilli's dad died in May this year.
And by all means, correct me if I am wrong.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Going by what i said above,on returning from the meeting they head back to get Granny and the kids because they know things have gone sour and leave the campsite asap,head up the road to the carpark and pull over to gather their thoughts,organise getting home,contact people or let the girl out the car because shes car sick?..?