France - Karen Carter, 65, stabbed to death, Tremolat, Dordogne, 29 April 2025

[slowpoke]

Only tangentially related, perhaps, but…

Last night, I watched a docudrama on PBS called Mr. Bates vs The Post Office, not knowing what it was about, but it starred actor Toby Jones, who I have enjoyed prior.

It is about the “Post Office Horizon scandal”in the UK (1999-2015), which I’d not heard of. To my surprise, the company Fujitsu was mentioned several times, as the supplier of the Horizon system.

Many subpostmasters’ lives were destroyed; it was a very sad and infuriating situation.

I wondered, as a managing director with Fujitsu, if during his time with the company, Jean Francois Guerrier had to deal with this.

Mr Bates vs The Post Office

Toby Jones (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Sherlock) stars in this true story following one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in British legal history.

www.pbs.org

Post Office Horizon scandal explained: Everything you need to know | Computer Weekly

Computer Weekly has investigated the Post Office Horizon scandal since 2008 and is, in fact, part of the story. This guide covers essential information about the scandal.

www.computerweekly.com

 

[FromGermany1]

Only tangentially related, perhaps, but…

Last night, I watched a docudrama on PBS called Mr. Bates vs The Post Office, not knowing what it was about, but it starred actor Toby Jones, who I have enjoyed prior.

It is about the “Post Office Horizon scandal”in the UK (1999-2015), which I’d not heard of. To my surprise, the company Fujitsu was mentioned several times, as the supplier of the Horizon system.

Many subpostmasters’ lives were destroyed; it was a very sad and infuriating situation.

I wondered, as a managing director with Fujitsu, if during his time with the company, Jean Francois Guerrier had to deal with this.

Mr Bates vs The Post Office

Toby Jones (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Sherlock) stars in this true story following one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in British legal history.

www.pbs.org

Post Office Horizon scandal explained: Everything you need to know | Computer Weekly

Computer Weekly has investigated the Post Office Horizon scandal since 2008 and is, in fact, part of the story. This guide covers essential information about the scandal.

www.computerweekly.com

Terrible! And very interesting.

In November 2021, it opened a criminal investigation into Fujitsu staff who gave evidence in trials of subpostmasters. These were tech workers Gareth Jenkins and Anne Chambers.

 

[Rikissa]

There are several articles about Karen Carter in French media, but those I've seen have been for abonnents, although often there is a bit that can be read before they become locked (usually more than I've seen in other paywalled articles). I found this article in 'Sud Ouest', a newspaper covering Dordogne where she lived. There is a video showing the village where she lived, as well as some photos of Karen. I was able to watch the video, but I don't know if it's available in the US, I'll post the link, without translating the article.

Vidéo. En Dordogne, l’enquête se poursuit autour du meurtre d’une expatriée de 65 ans et Reine du foot

Karen Carter, originaire d’Afrique du Sud, s’était installée à Trémolat, où elle était parfaitement intégrée. Elle a été tuée de huit coups de couteau le 29 avril 2025. L’auteur est toujours recherché. Le point sur l’enquête

www.sudouest.fr

 

[Skigh]

Detectives probing brutal murder of Brit expat interview football team

Karen Carter, 65, was murdered in the Dordogne village of Trémolat, east of Bordeaux, in April last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ssschu]

Detectives probing brutal murder of Brit expat interview football team

Karen Carter, 65, was murdered in the Dordogne village of Trémolat, east of Bordeaux, in April last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A former friend of Ms Carter told the latest edition of France's Sud Ouest (South West) newspaper: 'For her [Ms Carter], it had been over with her husband for a long time.

'But he didn't want to hear it. Karen had sent the divorce papers just before her death. She told me on Monday. On Tuesday, she was killed.'

 

[ZaZara]

A former friend of Ms Carter told the latest edition of France's Sud Ouest (South West) newspaper: 'For her [Ms Carter], it had been over with her husband for a long time.

'But he didn't want to hear it. Karen had sent the divorce papers just before her death. She told me on Monday. On Tuesday, she was killed.'

Yep, that was neighbour Ms Blabbermouth who literally told everything, all while stressing that KC was so very discrete.
IMO KC picked the wrong friends.

 

[Ssschu]

Yep, that was neighbour Ms Blabbermouth who literally told everything, all while stressing that KC was so very discrete.
IMO KC picked the wrong friends.

I did not remember she filed the day before she was murdered. I was under tbe impression the divorce had been going on for a while but I'm trying to keep up with too many cases right now.

 

[indicolite22]

I did not remember she filed the day before she was murdered. I was under tbe impression the divorce had been going on for a while but I'm trying to keep up with too many cases right now.

I got the impression that the friend was told about KC's divorce filing one day before KC was killed. When KC was in SA with her football team, she met with lawyers about property division. It's unclear if she spent any time with the husband.

 

[Dotta]

Honestly folks,
suspecting somebody from SAfrica seems like clutching at straws to me.
But sure,
every theory must be checked.

I'm afraid this will become a cold case.

The only hope is DNA left.
But is it of the perp???

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Honestly folks,
suspecting somebody from SAfrica seems like clutching at straws to me.
But sure,
every theory must be checked.

I'm afraid this will become a cold case.

The only hope is DNA left.
But is it of the perp???

JMO

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

 

[Kemug]

This case has too many people and too many countries. I'm beginning to think it will never be solved.

 

[Dotta]

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

It sounds plausible.
For me it seems a local crime.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

Karen thought she was discrete. Her neighbor mentioned that he saw J-FG visit her at night before. He mentioned that it was only him and not other men. The entire village probably knew about the affair.
According to Karen's friend, she wanted to buy a small cottage for herself in Tremolat as part of her independence. Her husband claimed that it was for both of them, which would not be true if they were divorcing.

 

[Mayb]

This case has too many people and too many countries. I'm beginning to think it will never be solved.

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

While jealousy can be a terrible and destructive emotion the idea of another afflicted - jealous- person in this mess is going down a rabbit hole isn't it? MOO ( MLA's infatuation with JPG was discussed here at length )

 

[FromGermany1]

JMO, while “South African trace” needs to be checked, some closer connections are of interest. Guests at Karen’s Airbnb, for example.

MOO: Karen was truly discrete, even in her relationship with Mr. JFG. And Mr. G was, by all means, a man of certain “standing” within the village. A short prior fling with someone “outside of Karen’s circle” could be totally unnoticed by the locals. And yet it is not I’mpossible, as Karen lived in Tremolat for many years. I am thinking of a man who could get very jealous of JFG. On the day before murder, Karen opened her own bank account with the help of Mr. JFG. Someone might have gotten enraged with this.

Also, didn’t Karen want to purchase an apartment in another part of the village? It would be interesting to find out where precisely the intended place was, geographically. If I remember correctly, G lived to the west of the village and Karen, to the east of it. If she planned to move more west, could it indicate that the jealous person lived somewhere in the eastern part of Tremolat? He could also be coming from another village next to Karen’s gite, and moving away would make her feel more protected.

Might her move serve to avoid someone else, considering her new relationship with JFG?

bbm
I don't quite understand, why Karen opened a new own bank account, although she just had filed for divorce. If the opening of an account is still difficult for an expat with two nationalities, wouldn't it be more difficult to be in a divorce, have it finished someday in the future and perhaps have even changed the surname?

Did the bank perhaps (to demonstrate their power) secretly also contact her husband in South Africa, even though it wasn't necessary?

 

[Kemug]

Perhaps she wanted an account of her own for her soon-to-be-ex-husband to put money into.

 

[FromGermany1]

While jealousy can be a terrible and destructive emotion the idea of another afflicted - jealous- person in this mess is going down a rabbit hole isn't it? MOO ( MLA's infatuation with JPG was discussed here at length )

Except MLA and AC I can't imagine anyone to get revenge on Karen or to get rid of her (and her claim to half a fortune) via a brutal murder. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

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Karen thought she was discrete. Her neighbor mentioned that he saw J-FG visit her at night before. He mentioned that it was only him and not other men. The entire village probably knew about the affair.
According to Karen's friend, she wanted to buy a small cottage for herself in Tremolat as part of her independence. Her husband claimed that it was for both of them, which would not be true if they were divorcing.

All village and environs knew no doubt, but it may be beyond the point.

Look at this: JFG was an established in life Frenchman, an affair with whom KC would not need to conceal. And yet it was not open. Even her last night…Karen (allegedly) had a headache, left, and G wrapped up the party and drove to her house. Whether a true headache, or an attempt not to flaunt the relationship, but they didn’t leave together!

But, consider that JFG was “a good catch” and his cafe “a hotbed of affairs” (IRL, probably, retirees not having much to do, lol). So the discretion was coming from KC. And to answer, “my marriage is totally over, but my husband won’t give me a divorce” would be the normal way to handle a local gossiper.

I suspect that for KC the marriage was over, but she wanted to negotiate the best conditions of the divorce, and it is usually lengthy.

Karen lived in France for many years, established a business and AC was visiting her occasionally. She was stuck in France during the COVID. Even before she was running a business in France. AC was tied up to South Africa. The kids were scattered on four different continents. All is formal, but not real, it seems.

Is it unrealistic to assume that there could have been somewhat of “a situationship”, even “a neighborhoodship”, locally for Karen? She was not living in the vacuum.

When Karen and her nephew who came from South Africa were isolating for 10 days due to COVID, or Covid restrictions. the local gendarmes paid them a visit. It was posted on KC’s Facebook as a funny situation. I don’t know how to interpret it: did the gendarmes check on how well the Cs were keeping the quarantine, or did they check on KC and relative being on the mend, or maybe the gendarmes simply knew KC as a good neighbor and stopped by?

I hope LE checked local gendarmes’ DNAs as well.

IMO, KC, an attractive woman living alone, very slowly getting unmarried, could make someone hopeful. I imagine the guy being a blue-collar type, captivated by a lively and refined woman, maybe helping her with her gite here and there. He likely considered himself more attractive than AC, maybe he was several years younger than AC, too.

But when KC started formal separation process, dhe got into an affair with the “local rich man”. A totally different move.

So this whole situation has the air of “a proletarian’s grudge” to me, and it is logical to assume that the person was living either in a village close to her house (to the east of Tremolat), or near KC. Or he was a guest at her gite a few times.

All MOO.

 

[Charlot123]

Except MLA and AC I can't imagine anyone to get revenge on Karen or to get rid of her (and her claim to half a fortune) via a brutal murder. MOO

Well, that MLA was a little bit “off”, and the whole situation with AC is strange, too,

But I assume both were checked.

So either both have a solid alibi or the police is lazy or there are some roadblocks I don’t know of.

 

[Charlot123]

Only tangentially related, perhaps, but…

Last night, I watched a docudrama on PBS called Mr. Bates vs The Post Office, not knowing what it was about, but it starred actor Toby Jones, who I have enjoyed prior.

It is about the “Post Office Horizon scandal”in the UK (1999-2015), which I’d not heard of. To my surprise, the company Fujitsu was mentioned several times, as the supplier of the Horizon system.

Many subpostmasters’ lives were destroyed; it was a very sad and infuriating situation.

I wondered, as a managing director with Fujitsu, if during his time with the company, Jean Francois Guerrier had to deal with this.

Mr Bates vs The Post Office

Toby Jones (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Sherlock) stars in this true story following one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in British legal history.

www.pbs.org

Post Office Horizon scandal explained: Everything you need to know | Computer Weekly

Computer Weekly has investigated the Post Office Horizon scandal since 2008 and is, in fact, part of the story. This guide covers essential information about the scandal.

www.computerweekly.com

G had some old flames visiting him from GB and Belgium.

I don’t know about the PO scandal; I believe it is all British own issue. G, if I am not mistaken, was the head of customer service. Fujitsu was making good products but specifically customer support there was abysmal. For a while Fujitsu was able to survive because their products were so good that one could fix the bugs himself without the CS input, but in the meantime, other companies improved. So JMO, Fujitsu is like Blackberry - had the whole world at their feed once and lost it. Probably CEOs lacking vision are to be blamed, but I am not sure that G specifically was of that level. Just a well-traveled retiree with a huge stock from his company, methinks.