GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #3

[sds71]

@shongables
the gun used to kill Ahmaud Arbery was an weapon issued by the Glynn County Police Department.
@CBS4

 

[Jax49]

Obscenity is about the 2:06:00 mark of the video I posted above.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you! (again) I tried to play the video at the beginning of the thread but it didn't work.

 

[Hope4More]

GM, on the same day of AA's murder, told LE he did not have first hand or "immediate" or ANY actual knowledge of AA committing ANY crime, misdemeanor or felony. All he had were gut level suspicions. His own words.

Which make DA Barnhill's assertion in his recusal
letter that GM had legal "reasonable and probable cause" to try to "detain" AA nothing short of a flat out lie.

How is it that DA Barnhill is still in office?

 

[Jax49]

Has there been any talk of changing venue? IMHO, convictions will be extremely difficult in the Brunswick area.

 

[Wowno17]

I'm absolutely horrified and heartbroken. My heart goes out to his family, I am hurting deeply, so I can't imagine their pain. I'm praying for their comfort and justice.

It is 2020 and here we are watching a defense like this unfold. Shameful.

MOO

 

[kaen]

Has there been any talk of changing venue? IMHO, convictions will be extremely difficult in the Brunswick area.

Why do you think that? In the face of the evidence we have seen so far, you think that people would not vote to convict given this story? Can you say why? It breaks my heart to think that what you are writing could be true.

 

[Jax49]

Why do you think that? In the face of the evidence we have seen so far, you think that people would not vote to convict given this story? Can you say why? It breaks my heart to think that what you are writing could be true.

Racism. I hope it isn't true but having grown up in north central Florida (otherwise known as south Georgia), I don't believe we've made enough progress for three convictions to be possible. Just my humble opinion and I hate that I wrote it but it is what I believe.

 

[Hope4More]

Still re-listening, but for starters, testimony today cleared up/settled a number of things discussed here, including:

1. The first caller to LE was made by Mr. Albenze ("Overalls"), who lives on Jones Rd.

2. GM and his wife, TM and his sister all lived at 230 Satilla Drive.

3. Roddy's video is longer than what we've seen. He began filming when he first went onto Holmes Road. The MMs weren't on Holmes yet when Roddy began filming; they were circling around to enter onto Holmes from the opposite direction/the other end of the road than where Roddy did.

4. GM supposedly repositioned himself from passenger seat to back of the truck because the front passenger seat had a child's seat buckled in.

5. The distance between where AA lived and Satilla Shores was 1.8 miles.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

Has there been any talk of changing venue? IMHO, convictions will be extremely difficult in the Brunswick area.

Good question. I haven't heard it mentioned. I know that in most states a change of venue is something the defense can request but not the prosecution. I don't know if GA allows it by the prosecution. I think the defense is going to want it to stay in Glynn County/Brunswick.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

Racism. I hope it isn't true but having grown up in north central Florida (otherwise known as south Georgia), I don't believe we've made enough progress for three convictions to be possible. Just my humble opinion and I hate that I wrote it but it is what I believe.

I fear the same. Having lived in NE Florida most of my life (since the early 1970s) and experiencing many smaller GA and North Florida communities over those decades, and experiencing how "advanced" Jax (we're really not, but we're light years ahead by comparison) is and how "backwater" lots of SE GA and NE / North Central FL remain, I am concerned. Take a modern Florida city, warp back in time 20-50 years, and there you have it, from a venue/jury pool perspective. It's that wide variability there that concerns me. If the jury that gets seated is "time-warped" only 20 years, the prosecution wins. If it's closer to a 50-year outdated mentality, then it's a toss-up. Any readers who think Jacksonville's got latent race issues would be correct, but Jax remains light-years more forward-thinking than many of the outlying areas. Brunswick is a lovely area for tourism but its reputation isn't exactly one of modern thinking for the residents; it's no Atlanta or Savannah.

This is MOO based on my personal experiences in the area and I also hate to write it, and pray that I am wrong and outdated in my concern; my apologies in advance to others who live in the area and disagree with my characterization.

 

[Hope4More]

New, from testimony today: GM claims he told TM "don't shoot!" When would he have even supposedly said that? He also claims to have heard only 2 shots.

But.....as seen on his co-defendant Roddy's video, GM dropped his cellphone & 911 call and pulled out his gun precisely just after TM's first shotgun blast into Ahmaud's chest.

GM's words at that time were captured on the 911 call. None of them were instructions to TM not to shoot.

 

[Boxer]

New, from testimony today: GM claims he told TM "don't shoot!" When would he have even supposedly said that? He also claims to have heard only 2 shots.

But.....as seen on his co-defendant Roddy's video, GM dropped his cellphone & 911 call and pulled out his gun precisely just after TM's first shotgun blast into Ahmaud's chest.

GM's words at that time were captured on the 911 call. None of them were instructions to TM not to shoot.

MOO when GM got his own attorney it meant he would minimize his own part at the expense of his son. Here it is

 

[simlyme]

Here for JUSTICE FOR AHMAUD!!

 

[sds71]

We’re learning more about the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery after chilling new information was revealed during a preliminary court hearing Thursday. @ReporterBlayne has more, including what Arbery’s mother had to say.
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1268868623722074113?s=20https://twitter.com/shongables

 

[Hope4More]

Here's the narrative TM told Glynn County LE on the day he killed AA (based on Deal's testimony):

(Skipping to Holmes Rd). That based on his Coast Guard experience, he knew from when AA "was 30-40 yards away that AA wasn't going to surrender, that he was going to keep coming."

That's why he first POINTED his shotgun at AA, as AA ran towards his parked truck in the middle of Holmes. (First of 2 instances Deal categorized as aggravated assault).

TM says he yelled at AA to stop, to get down on the ground. (What I hear TM rage-scream on the murder video is "stop running, s-hithead!").

AA swerved to the right, passenger side. TM went to the front of his truck. For a second time, and by his own admission, he POINTED his shotgun at AA. By his own admission, he fired the first shot at AA intentionally, because "he could tell AA was going to assault him."

TM told LE he wasn't sure of everything that happened in those few seconds in front of the truck. Deal said what he told LE was inconsistent, especially about whether AA had his hands on TM's shirt, or if AA had hit him before he shot. TM said his adrenaline was pumping and everything went very fast.

GM told LE that AA did hit TM before the first shot was fired. Deal pointed out GM also told LE that TM had fired 2 shots (there were 3), and that what GM described as the 1st shot was actually the 2nd.

TM said he backed away/retreated after firing the first shot, and that he was afraid AA would get hold of the gun. He told LE that he fired a 2nd then 3rd shot intentionally, that those shots were not fired accidentally during a "struggle" for the gun, that he fired them because AA "kept fighting him."

 

[Niner]

@tlcya - if they are bound over to Grand Jury there probably isn't a date for that, eh? Just wondering! TIA!

 

[JaxFlaGal]

@shongables
the gun used to kill Ahmaud Arbery was an weapon issued by the Glynn County Police Department.
@CBS4

Just to clarify... People are now trying to correct that journalist's post (though she has not yet done so herself). Per the GBI testimony and his questioning by the prosecution, the police-issued weapon was the 357 brandished (but not shot) by the father. They didn't say that the shotgun used to murder AA was a police-issued weapon.

Another clarification - I don't know about other areas of the country, but in this area it hasn't been that uncommon for an officer who retires in good standing to be allowed to keep their service revolver when they retire, so I don't see that as particularly unusual, either. That is not an indication that the police department had "deputized" GM in any way.

 

[Gardenista]

Just finished watching the hearing. These guys are toast

 

[Niner]

Just finished watching the hearing. These guys are toast

Me too - definitely toast! And this defense attorney Gough - I think his name is??!!