GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #4

[Kristin Esq.]

"When I turned around he took off running into the house." Roddy, 911.

And he's out of breath because he had run home to get his daddy & gun before calling 911, not because he was scared.

Please please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I misunderstood. I thought the night in early Feb that TM saw AA, he was running FROM English's house to the woods and hid there? (according to the opening) And now it's he ran into the house?

Please tell me if I'm remembering wrong.

 

[wasnt_me]

It's later in the call, after TRAVIS has already given one version of first seeing AA & after he said AA ran straight into the house, that he tells the dispatcher he saw AA reaching into his pocket.

PS. AA did not have a flashlight.

(Sorry. Roddy on the brain).

Oh, proves he will persecute off bad information. This is a mess!

 

[Hope4More]

Please please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I misunderstood. I thought the night in early Feb that TM saw AA, he was running FROM English's house to the woods and hid there? (according to the opening) And now it's he ran into the house?

Please tell me if I'm remembering wrong.

You're remembering wrong. The story has always been that he ran into the house. It's the when & what AA & Travis did or didn't do first that's changed.

 

[wasnt_me]

I'm sorry, TM is not convincing me why he'd then go after AA later if he was so afraid of what AA might do.

 

[Smkd]

So he didn’t confront AA that time at night because he thought he may be armed - did he not think he was armed the day he killed him, and is that why he felt comfortable confronting him?

Why do they keep using terms like “burglary” and “break in” referring to the construction site when neither of those are accurate?

Why does he think that it was alarming that AA was acting normal? I’m so baffled by that, maybe he was just minding his own business just like T should’ve been.

And why did he feel like he had to investigate anything. Has no one ever told T that this behaviour is very strange?

 

[Hope4More]

Oh, proves he will persecute off bad information. This is a mess!

A bunch of us speculated when the 911 call was first released that Travis's gun wasn't stolen, and/or that Travis deliberately planted the idea with LE that AA had a gun (envisioning a more ready use of deadly force by LE).

I've come to believe both Travis & Greg believed AA might have been armed, but not because of anything Travis saw on Feb 11. The fact Greg turned AA over in the middle of the street looking for one helped convince me.....

 

[wasnt_me]

A bunch of us speculated when the 911 call was first released that Travis's gun wasn't stolen, and/or that Travis deliberately planted the idea with LE that AA had a gun (envisioning a more ready use of deadly force by LE).

I've come to believe both Travis & Greg believed AA might have been armed, but not because of anything Travis saw on Feb 11. The fact Greg turned AA over in the middle of the street looking for one helped convince me.....

I did wonder if TM found that gun later.....well, I gotta run to the store. I'm enjoying talking to you guys. Later!

 

[tlcya]

A bunch of us speculated when the 911 call was first released that Travis's gun wasn't stolen, and/or that Travis deliberately planted the idea with LE that AA had a gun (envisioning a more ready use of deadly force by LE).

I've come to believe both Travis & Greg believed AA might have been armed, but not because of anything Travis saw on Feb 11. The fact Greg turned AA over in the middle of the street looking for one helped convince me.....

I am still unconvinced. Looking for one or hoping for one? I think hoping.

I think once the adrenalin wore off and they realized they had basically executed a man in broad daylight in front of a block full of potential witnesses, they hoped and prayed they would find a gun or anything to make this a "good" shoot. Both these men (the Ms) thought they still had the authority of their former offices/jobs. But even these deluded fools knew there was a potential problem once TM had actually killed AA MOO (insert big fat cow)

 

[Niner]

Veronica Waters
@MissVWaters
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T McMichael moved his car to swing lights toward person who stayed in shadows. "He was aware I'd caught him." He comes out of shadows and jogs into shadow of the portalet. Stepped out of car to ask him what he's doing, maybe run him off.

Travis McMichael says the guy jogs toward him reaches into pocket--cross-side. "It freaked me out." TM jumps back in vehicle. Guy then runs into the house. TM cranks up & goes home. Told dad "I just caught somebody lurking at neighbor house"



McMichael said he called police as his dad started walking down the driveway. TM told him to wait. "I don't know what's happening. I'm assuming this guy is armed. Dad's had a stroke, couple hip replacements, couple heart attacks.

The McMichaels pull up to 220. Diego P is there. Jury heard TM's breathy 911 call: We've had a string of burglaries. I just caught a guy running into a house being built." McMichael tells jury, "I was still scared. Still alarmed."

T McMichael says he thought, Him going into that house, and knowing everything's--stuff's been stolen in there, there's a connection. He thought the guy was "going back in and stealing. Breaking in. Burglarizing."



Travis McMichael says he didn't go in the house because "He acted like he may've been armed. I'm not going to follow him in there or chase or investigate somebody that might be armed & I don't have any reason to go in that house."



They continue pausing the 911 call so McMichael can illustrate why he says what he says. He told 911 guy might be armed so police would know what they're possibly walking into. No one ever saw/talked to/caught person who was in house that night.

T McMichael did talk to police that night. After all was done, Ofc. Rash showed him video of the individual going into the house that night, running from the portalet.


link: https://twitter.com/MissVWaters



and I will have to continue the rest of the tweets tomorrow.

 

[Hope4More]

So he didn’t confront AA that time at night because he thought he may be armed - did he not think he was armed the day he killed him, and is that why he felt comfortable confronting him?

Why do they keep using terms like “burglary” and “break in” referring to the construction house when neither of those are accurate?

Why does he think that it was alarming that AA was acting normal? I’m so baffled by that, maybe he was just minding his own business just like T should’ve been.

And why did he feel like he had to investigate anything. Has no one ever told T that this behaviour is very strange?

From listening to the 911 call multiple times, I believe Travis really was disturbed by believing AA was acting perfectly normally inside E's house. And from E's video of that night, that's exactly what AA was doing. Strolling inside in almost the exact same places & manner as he had on the other few occasions on which he'd been there.

IMO the reason for Travis being disturbed by that is the exact same reason why he & others in the neighborhood were furious that AA kept coming into the neighborhood, and why & he & Greg were enraged that AA didn't obey his & his father's commands the day they killed him.

 

[tlcya]

Here's the problem with the he might be armed argument as I see it:

TM grabbed his shotgun because he allegedly believed AA was armed. If AA was armed he would have defended himself long before he was shot by TM. He can't argue that AA was armed and possible threat and then with the next breath argue he feared for his life because AA might disarm him and use his own weapon against him.

Which is it Mr. McMichael? At some point it became clear AA was not armed. And yet the Ms continued pursuit. So self defense during citizens arrest is completely out the window and way over into the next county for me.

 

[Smkd]

A bunch of us speculated when the 911 call was first released that Travis's gun wasn't stolen, and/or that Travis deliberately planted the idea with LE that AA had a gun (envisioning a more ready use of deadly force by LE).

I've come to believe both Travis & Greg believed AA might have been armed, but not because of anything Travis saw on Feb 11. The fact Greg turned AA over in the middle of the street looking for one helped convince me.....

I see what you’re saying, but on the flip side, if they thought he was armed why would they push their luck so much by chasing him up and down while he was running away? And seeing him trying to defend himself by physically confronting travis surely would’ve solidified that. It meant that it was his best and only option. Turning him over could’ve just been theatrics.

 

[Smkd]

From listening to the 911 call multiple times, I believe Travis really was disturbed by believing AA was acting perfectly normally inside E's house. And from E's video of that night, that's exactly what AA was doing. Strolling inside in almost the exact same places & manner as he had on the other few occasions on which he'd been there.

IMO the reason for Travis being disturbed by that is the exact same reason why he & others in the neighborhood were furious that AA kept coming into the neighborhood, and why & he & Greg were enraged that AA didn't obey his & his father's commands the day they killed him.

BBM

What is that reason in your opinion? Not trying to be snarky, just curious

 

[Hope4More]

I see what you’re saying, but on the flip side, if they thought he was armed why would they push their luck so much by chasing him up and down while he was running away? And seeing him trying to defend himself by physically confronting travis surely would’ve solidified that. It meant that it was his best and only option. Turning him over could’ve just been theatrics.

I'm not being very clear today, sorry. I meant that I don't have reason to doubt that Travis had his gun stolen out of his unlocked car. And that I believe when Travis told LE on the 911 call that AA "was acting like he might have" been armed, he wasn't lying to LE to justify deadly force, that he was psyching himself out & had lots of thrill of the chase adreline pumping.

I think they would have grabbed their guns no matter what when they went after him on the 23rd, but that it's entirely possible they INITIALLY believed he might be armed.

I agree that by the time Greg rolled AA over in the road he was HOPING, no longer believing.

 

[JayWill]

I am still unconvinced. Looking for one or hoping for one? I think hoping.

I think once the adrenalin wore off and they realized they had basically executed a man in broad daylight in front of a block full of potential witnesses, they hoped and prayed they would find a gun or anything to make this a "good" shoot. Both these men (the Ms) thought they still had the authority of their former offices/jobs. But even these deluded fools knew there was a potential problem once TM had actually killed AA MOO (insert big fat cow)

But what would finding a gun on him prove? Doesn't he have a constitutional right to have a gun?

 

[ilovewings]

I cannot wait for cross examination!!!!! Hope she tears this to shreds!!!

 

[Hope4More]

How convenient to say he asked dad about whether Greg had called 911 & thought he heard yes.

 

[Smkd]

I cannot wait for cross examination!!!!! Hope she tears this *** to shreds!!!

God, same. Hope they have someone in their team who is really skilled at cross and has him for breakfast

 

[Hope4More]

"I asked him to please stop. He looked mad. His brow was furrowed. It wasn't what I expected...."

 

[ilovewings]

"I asked him to please stop. He looked mad. His brow was furrowed. It wasn't what I expected...."

I need a barf bucket for this