GUILTY GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #5

[Boxer]

He made sure to mention his son and show emotion over his son. I think he specifically wanted the jury to hear/see that.

"I was thinking of my son," replied McMichael, his voice quivering. "It sounds weird, but that was the first thing that hit me."

McMichael told jurors that Arbery was overpowering him, and it was a "life-or-death situation" when he pulled the trigger.

Ahmaud Arbery trial: Travis McMichael takes stand, says it was a 'life-or-death situation'

BS TM ambushed AA in front of the truck and Arbery fought back as he had every right to do.

 

[Cool Cats]

I disagree. I think that he and the other two thought that they had every right to chase him and even kill him. The expletive at the turning him over, says it all to me. They think that they still have authority over black people.

Turning him over to look for a gun instead of giving aid says alot to me.

 

[JayWill]

Turning him over to look for a gun instead of giving aid says alot to me.

I am not even sure that they were looking for a gun. Just making sure he was dead and showing disgraceful disrespect.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am not even sure that they were looking for a gun. Just making sure he was dead and showing disgraceful disrespect.

Looking for a weapon.

Glynn County police Officer Jeff Brandeberry said Greg McMichael also had blood on his left hand, which he told police he had used to check Arbery for a weapon after the shooting when Arbery fell facedown in the street with one arm tucked beneath him.

"I didn't know if he (Arbery) had a weapon or not," Gregory McMichael told the officer in explaining why he touched the body, according to the transcript read to the jury.

Didn't touch him to give aid or check if he was alive, just looking for something.

Usually when a person has a victim's blood on them it's from trying to help them.

 

[JayWill]

Looking for a weapon.

Glynn County police Officer Jeff Brandeberry said Greg McMichael also had blood on his left hand, which he told police he had used to check Arbery for a weapon after the shooting when Arbery fell facedown in the street with one arm tucked beneath him.

"I didn't know if he (Arbery) had a weapon or not," Gregory McMichael told the officer in explaining why he touched the body, according to the transcript read to the jury.

That is what those killers said. I don't believe a word of anything that they say. They knew that he did not have a gun. They turned him over because they hoped he had a gun. I thought it was a constitutional right to carry a gun in the US. Is is only legal for white men to carry guns and ride shotgun in the back of trucks? Those men were allowed to have guns, why would the black man having a gun deserve to be chased down and killed?

 

[Cool Cats]

That is what those killers said. I don't believe a word of anything that they say. They knew that he did not have a gun. They turned him over because they hoped he had a gun. I thought it was a constitutional right to carry a gun in the US. Is is only legal for white men to carry guns and ride shotgun in the back of trucks? Those men were allowed to have guns, why would the black man having a gun deserve to be chased down and killed?

Yup. They had hoped he had a gun.

And yes, even if he had had a legal gun on him he had just as much right to carry it as the 2 oafs chasing him.

We know what Greg was trying to get at. If Ahmad had had a holstered
gun Greg and son would have lied and said Ahmad had it out earlier.

Remember the "hands in his pants" remark?

Greg had a changing story called lying.

 

[Boxer]

He made sure to mention his son and show emotion over his son. I think he specifically wanted the jury to hear/see that.

"I was thinking of my son," replied McMichael, his voice quivering. "It sounds weird, but that was the first thing that hit me."

McMichael told jurors that Arbery was overpowering him, and it was a "life-or-death situation" when he pulled the trigger.

Ahmaud Arbery trial: Travis McMichael takes stand, says it was a 'life-or-death situation'

BS TM ambushed AA in front of the truck and Arbery fought back as he had every right to do.

That is what those killers said. I don't believe a word of anything that they say. They knew that he did not have a gun. They turned him over because they hoped he had a gun. I thought it was a constitutional right to carry a gun in the US. Is is only legal for white men to carry guns and ride shotgun in the back of trucks? Those men were allowed to have guns, why would the black man having a gun deserve to be chased down and killed?

That's the bottom line.
They killed due to their prejudice, and the LE father "knew" the system would protect them. And in fact the local corrupt DA and police DID protect them.
It's the GBI that blew the whistle on their BS.

 

[Niner]

Oct 7, 2021

ORDER Granting in part Defendants' Oral Motion, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h) (7), and on the basis of the Court's finding the ends of justice will be served by granting the continuance outweigh the best interests of the public and Defendants in a speedy trial. Pretrial Motions due November 5, 2021. Joint Status Report due 12/9/2021. The Motions Hearing currently scheduled for November 19, 2021 is rescheduled for December 13, 2021, at 10:00 a.m., Brunswick Federal Courthouse, Courtroom 1. Signed by Magistrate Judge Benjamin W. Cheesbro on 10/7/2021. (csr) (Entered: 10/07/2021)

Yes - but here it looks like they moved the motions hearing again:

Nov 8, 2021

ORDER granting the Government's consent 71 Motion to Continue the Motions Hearing - ends of justice served as to Travis McMichael (1), Gregory McMichael (2), William Bryan (3). The Court continues the Motions Hearing to December 20, 2021 at 10:00 a.m., Courtroom 1, Brunswick Federal Courthouse. The parties shall file their Joint Status Report on or before December 13, 2021. Signed by Magistrate Judge Benjamin W. Cheesbro on 11/8/2021. (ca) (Entered: 11/08/2021)

Nov 8, 2021

Reset Deadline as to Travis McMichael, Gregory McMichael, William Bryan: Status Report due by 12/13/2021. (ca)


Nov 8, 2021

Reset Motions Hearing for 12/20/2021 10:00 AM in Brunswick - Courtroom No. 1 - before Magistrate Judge Benjamin W. Cheesbro in case as to Travis McMichael, Gregory McMichael, William Bryan. (ca)

Nov 10, 2021

Set/Reset Hearings as to Travis McMichael, Gregory McMichael, William Bryan: The Pretrial Conference set for 11/19/2021 is RESCHEDULED for 12/20/2021 10:00 AM in Brunswick - Courtroom No. 1 - before Judge Lisa G. Wood. (WS)


Nov 10, 2021

SET/RESET HEARING ON MOTIONS in case as to Travis McMichael, Gregory McMichael, William Bryan. Motions Hearing RESCHEDULED (TIME CHANGE ONLY) for 12/20/2021 at 11:00 a.m., Brunswick - Courtroom No. 1 - before Magistrate Judge Benjamin W. Cheesbro. (KM)


So - I'm putting the motions hearing on 12/20 @ 11am & there is a pretrial hearing on 1/21/22 @ 10am.

 

[Smkd]

So, I wonder what he told her about how her son had died? Do we really believe that the officer told her he was chased because three white men suspected him of 'something'?

She was told that he was killed while committing a burglary. Not sure if we knew this before trial but it was talked about when that officer testified, I found this buried in the previous thread (Thread #4 page 8 if you want to check it out )

@MissVWaters

Outside the Glynn Co courthouse, emotions run high for #AhmaudArbery's mom, Wanda Cooper-Jones. "I finally put a face to the name of Investigator Lowrey, who called me that afternoon & told me that Ahmaud committed a burglary, was confronted by homeowner, & was killed."
I listened to him today for three hours. He said nothing about Ahmaud committing a burglary, but that's what he called me to tell me. That was disturbing and very not acceptable," says Wanda Cooper-Jones.
"Every word that describes me now is just 'disturbing.' Ahmaud ran, Ahmaud was chased, Ahmaud was killed, and then Ahmaud was lied on. Very non-acceptable," says #AhmaudArbery's mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones. As she walks away, demonstrators chant, "Justice for Ahmaud!"

@wsbradio

 

[Smkd]

You’re joking I hope…

Not sure I understand your comment, (and correct me if I’m wrong) but it seems to imply that you believe that AA was doing something else at the construction site, and then attached a picture of Ahmaud walking around on CCTV. What is the picture supposed to show? Am I missing something obvious? Hope you don’t mind explaining

 

[sds71]

I hope Barnhill is indicted next.

D.A. Barnhill later recused himself after Arbery's family learned his son worked for Johnson as an assistant prosecutor. Before he stepped aside, Barnhill wrote a letter to a Glynn County police captain saying the McMichaels “were following, in ‘hot pursuit,’ a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/ telling him to stop.”

“It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal,” Barnhill advised in the letter, referencing Georgia's Civil War-era citizen arrest statute.
DocumentCloud

Wanda Cooper’s Civil lawsuit:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20490528/arbery-complaint.pdf

 

[BUF]

He made sure to mention his son and show emotion over his son. I think he specifically wanted the jury to hear/see that.

"I was thinking of my son," replied McMichael, his voice quivering. "It sounds weird, but that was the first thing that hit me."

McMichael told jurors that Arbery was overpowering him, and it was a "life-or-death situation" when he pulled the trigger.

Ahmaud Arbery trial: Travis McMichael takes stand, says it was a 'life-or-death situation'

I found it so insensitive of TM when he talked about thinking of his son while AA’s mother was sitting in the courtroom for the murder of her son…hope this jury did too.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Not sure I understand your comment, (and correct me if I’m wrong) but it seems to imply that you believe that AA was doing something else at the construction site, and then attached a picture of Ahmaud walking around on CCTV. What is the picture supposed to show? Am I missing something obvious? Hope you don’t mind explaining

The original comment that I replied to:

My concern is the jury doesn't know why AA kept going there. So they will assume the worst.

That applies to me too, I don’t know why AA kept going there. And we only know he kept going there from previous security camera footage. I don’t think the jury suspects he was getting a drink of water, studying architecture or enjoying the lakeside view in the middle of the night.

I would genuinely like to know what kept drawing him back. He was familiar enough with that house to know there was nothing left to steal, so no I don’t think that’s why he kept returning.

 

[ilovewings]

OMG. That's worse than what I imagined LD was so delicately suggesting. She really is impressive, and was throughout the trial. Her performance during the 7 plus hour charge conference was another tour de force. She represented the State singlehandedly throughout, up against the counter arguments of combined counsel for all 3 defendants & the reasoned legal interpretations of a meticulous & thoughtful judge, and she prevailed far more often than not.

She is the reason I have some confidence that these defendants will be convicted. It won't be easy (though IMO it should be a slam dunk)----understanding the culture this horrific crime occurred in

 

[kaen]

No one in this country unless they have to committed a crime has to answer about the route they walk, how they move through a community. We may all want to know the why of a person's actions but at the end of the day, if they have committed no crime they can't be made by anyone to submit to suspicions. We don't work this way. Suspicions are not doled out equally.

These alleged murderers have even admitted that they suspected other people of committing the crime of theft of their vehicle and at Mr. E's house. Mr. Arbery was hunted, chased and executed because he was running through a neighborhood that these men didn't want him in. They didn't surveil him to wait for the police which is what most would do if they thought a person was carrying a weapon. They went after him with no knowledge of a crime committed. It could have happened to anyone that these men didn't want in their neighborhood. I think we know why they didn't want him in their area.

 

[ilovewings]

No one in this country unless they have to committed a crime has to answer about the route they walk, how they move through a community. We may all want to know the why of a person's actions but at the end of the day, if they have committed no crime they can't be made by anyone to submit to suspicions. We don't work this way. Suspicions are not doled out equally.

These alleged murderers have even admitted that they suspected other people of committing the crime of theft of their vehicle and at Mr. E's house. Mr. Arbery was hunted, chased and executed because he was running through a neighborhood that these men didn't want him in. They didn't surveil him to wait for the police which is what most would do if they thought a person was carrying a weapon. They went after him with no knowledge of a crime committed. It could have happened to anyone that these men didn't want in their neighborhood. I think we know why they didn't want him in their area.

when I think about Mr. Arbery's terror as these men were closing in on him, as he was no doubt asking himself, why are they following me? how he tried to get away and how he was shot dead in cold blood, I begin to cry. If these men do not get convicted, the last shred of confidence I have in our justice system will be gone. It was bad enough when Casey Anthony got away with murder, but this case would just do me in.

 

[Lilibet]

The original comment that I replied to:

That applies to me too, I don’t know why AA kept going there. And we only know he kept going there from previous security camera footage. I don’t think the jury suspects he was getting a drink of water, studying architecture or enjoying the lakeside view in the middle of the night.

I would genuinely like to know what kept drawing him back. He was familiar enough with that house to know there was nothing left to steal, so no I don’t think that’s why he kept returning.

You do realize that he was murdered and so he can’t respond to your desire to know why he kept going to that house? His motive in going there has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that these men saw a black man in their community several times and suspected him of something nefarious, even though others had also been in that house. So they hunted him down, cornered him and killed him and called it self-defense. I would hope that you would realize that the real question here is why they believed they had the right and duty to play vigilante and kill someone when he tried to defend himself. THAT’S the motive we all should be interested in.

But of course the defense is doing it’s best to place your question about Arbery in the minds of the jury so that they will believe these vigilantes were justified in their actions and believe their claims of self-defense.
JMO

 

[Lilibet]

I found it so insensitive of TM when he talked about thinking of his son while AA’s mother was sitting in the courtroom for the murder of her son…hope this jury did too.

For me, the most insensitive comment of the trial was the defense attorney claiming “a public lynching” in regard to his client. Unbelievably insensitive.

 

[ilovewings]

For me, the most insensitive comment of the trial was the defense attorney claiming “a public lynching” in regard to his client. Unbelievably insensitive.

Unbelievably insensitive- but no surprise- I am looking forward to prosecution closing statement, but don't think I will have the stomach for defense closing full of lies and deceit- they will be hoping the jury buys their BS

 

[SharonNeedles]

You do realize that he was murdered and so he can’t respond to your desire to know why he kept going to that house? His motive in going there has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that these men saw a black man in their community several times and suspected him of something nefarious, even though others had also been in that house. So they hunted him down, cornered him and killed him and called it self-defense. I would hope that you would realize that the real question here is why they believed they had the right and duty to play vigilante and kill someone when he tried to defend himself. THAT’S the motive we all should be interested in.

But of course the defense is doing it’s best to place your question about Arbery in the minds of the jury so that they will believe these vigilantes were justified in their actions and believe their claims of self-defense.
JMO

And again, I have no desire to know. I don’t care why he was there. The original comment was:

My concern is the jury doesn't know why AA kept going there. So they will assume the worst.