GUILTY GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former LEO and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 *Arrests* #5

[LMDlong]

I thought the call helped the prosecution: GM yelling STOP- he is not the police-- who the hell is he to yell stop to a citizen running down the street? GM says there is a black man running-- he does not say there is a black man running committing a crime, stealing or any other criminal act---he does not say he is making a citizen''s arrest-

I know. I hear what your saying and I agree . It just depends on the jury. I’m praying that I’m wrong .

 

[wasnt_me]

Have you ever seen this video (below)? It's body cam of a LEO arriving at the scene within minutes of AA's killing.

There's Travis (who is repeatedly comforted by another, female LEO, who knows who Greg is & that he used to be one of them). There's Greg, who early in asks if they're going to handcuff Travis. The female LEO asks- why would we do that?

(At 10:55 on the vid) Greg is asked to tell them again what happened. Here's all he comes up with for probable cause, before he calls DA Jackie Johnson while still on the scene.

*Identifies AA as "this same guy."

*Says "several nights ago....on numerous occasions he keeps breaking into the house up here."

*"And they have it on video"

*"But no one could ever catch him"

*Tells tale of Travis seeing AA on 2/11 (says "couple of nights ago") Included that AA "hauled " into the house when he knew he had been seen

* Emphasized repeatedly that AA has gone into "the house" on "numerous" times, but also says at one point it was 2-3 times, which would have been the accurate number Greg was told by Rash on 2/11, including that night. (Oct, Nov, Feb 11. English didn't find his video of AA on site in December until after AA's murder).

*Says, "I've seen these videos & I know what he looks like. I'm standing in my yard & he comes hauling down the street like something is after him."

*(Goes into the house & tells Travis) " THE GUY is running down the street, let's go let's go let's go..."

* (We arm ourselves, not taking any chances), "we get into the truck & get up to this intersection & we see him heading down (Burford). Travis hauls after him, tries to cut him off...."

THAT'S IT FOR PROBABLE CAUSE.

(I'm sure it didn't escape you that Greg doesn't say anything about seeing Albenze, much less Albenze pointing the way).

Thanks. So no TM video? I'm not getting what you mean about probable cause. Probable cause for what?

 

[LMDlong]

I thought the call helped the prosecution: GM yelling STOP- he is not the police-- who the hell is he to yell stop to a citizen running down the street? GM says there is a black man running-- he does not say there is a black man running committing a crime, stealing or any other criminal act---he does not say he is making a citizen''s arrest-

I know. I hear what your saying and I agree . It just depends on the jury. I’m praying that I’m wrong .

 

[LMDlong]

My grandson will be here soon , so I will checking for a verdict when I can.

 

[ilovewings]

I know. I hear what your saying and I agree . It just depends on the jury. I’m praying that I’m wrong .

Like you, I am afraid to hope too much for a guilty verdict, because a not guilty verdict would be so crushing!

 

[SuperTmo]

In the year and a half since Arbery's killing, neighbors have come and gone. Fourteen homes have sold in Satilla Shores since March 2020.

But Larry English remains undecided if he'll ever live in the unfinished board-and-batten-style cottage.
Before English bought the home, the vacant lot was used by neighbors for small gatherings, parking and was sometimes an area where children played.
Elizabeth Graddy, English's attorney, told the Savannah Morning News, that her client likely won't live at the houseif the three men are acquitted of Arbery's murder.

"I think it's fair to say," she said, "he wants to see how this trial plays out."
She recalled him telling her, "I don’t see how I could live there if these men are acquitted.'

Sharon Selzer and her husband, Richard, who are white, estimated there were about 10 families of color living in Satilla Shores.
Selzer, 63, moved into the neighborhood three years ago. A sign outside her quaint home reads, "We believe Black Lives Matter, No Human is Illegal, Love is Love... Injustice anywhere is a threat to injustice everywhere."

"I want people to know where I stand," Selzer said as the trial played on her TV in her living room. "It’s hard to watch. It’s weird because we’re seeing our front yard."

Ahmaud Arbery killing has left this Satilla Shores 'dream' home vacant

I was thinking about this last night. How Larry English feels about his house must be so conflicted. I would move if I were Mr. Albenze and these guys get acquitted.

 

[lonetraveler]

“Turning Ahmaud Arbery into a victim after the choices that he made does not reflect the reality of what brought Ahmaud Arbery to Satilla Shores in his khaki shorts with no socks to cover his long, dirty toenails,” Lauren Hogue told the panel, referring to a description from the autopsy report.

This was so crude, vile and unnecessary.

 

[SuperTmo]

True. Assuming or suspecting someone of committing a crime doesn't mean anyone has the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Even if someone were stealing from or vandalizing a property, it's not a capital crime. Those crimes don't call for people to be shot dead in the street. Turn them in to police.

Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? Castle Doctrine doesn't give you a free pass to kill anyone you don't like or be a vigilante.

Where did I ever say, or even imply, that these three were justified in what they did to Ahmaud Arbery? I have been more than clear in my posts where I stand with this case.

 

[tlcya]

This was so crude, vile and unnecessary.

I literally cringed and physically recoiled when she did that. So meanspirited. It said so much more about Hogue and who she hopes the jury is than Ahmaud.

 

[Hope4More]

Thanks. So no TM video? I'm not getting what you mean about probable cause. Probable cause for what?

Travis was whisked away to an ambulance to get cleaned up & checked out for boo-boos (while AA still lay in the road). I think his sister brought him a change of clothes ( probably when she took that photo of AA to post on SM), and he mosey-ed on to chat with LE at the station a bit later on, at his convenience.

Probable cause for what? The point of the video was so you could hear whatever basis for probable cause for citizens arrest Greg had, right after the killing. Whether he said that's what he was trying to do or not, which he didn't (because he wasn't).

 

[SuperTmo]

I thought the call helped the prosecution: GM yelling STOP- he is not the police-- who the hell is he to yell stop to a citizen running down the street? GM says there is a black man running-- he does not say there is a black man running committing a crime, stealing or any other criminal act---he does not say he is making a citizen''s arrest-

When conducting a citizens arrest, would the citizen have to inform the person they are attempting to detain that it is a citizens arrest? Don’t the police have to identify themselves as police if they are in plain clothes? Like how would Ahmaud have known that they were trying to detain him? (Not that I believe they were trying to detain him or that they had grounds to arrest him, just curious)

 

[Niner]

@tlcya - since you are watching for verdict - can you please "tag" me if one comes in for today? TIA!

 

[tlcya]

@tlcya - since you are watching for verdict - can you please "tag" me if one comes in for today? TIA!

you got it my friend, I am alone in the office today so have the tab open and listening for action while I piddle with tasks

 

[sds71]

[URL='https://twitter.com/WJXTJenese']Jenese Harris
@WJXTJenese[/URL]

https://twitter.com/WJXTJenese/status/1463547922897940490
McMichael/Bryan Murder Trial for Ahmaud Arbery’s Death: Lunchtime is approaching. People are talking among themselves, wondering if the jury will deliberate while having lunch.
https://twitter.com/WJXTJenese
https://twitter.com/WJXTJenese/status/1463547140786081794
McMichael/Bryan Murder Trial for Ahmaud Arbery’s Death: Journalist Observation - I’m sitting in the overflow room as everyone waits for a verdict. GBI Richard Dial, Thea Brooks (one of Arbery’s aunts) and Kevin Gough, William Bryan’s attorney were all in here at the same time.

 

[wasnt_me]

Travis was whisked away to an ambulance to get cleaned up & checked out for boo-boos (while AA still lay in the road). I think his sister brought him a change of clothes ( probably when she took that photo of AA to post on SM), and he mosey-ed on to chat with LE at the station a bit later on, at his convenience.

Probable cause for what? The point of the video was so you could hear whatever basis for probable cause for citizens arrest Greg had, right after the killing. Whether he said that's what he was trying to do or not, which he didn't (because he wasn't).

If he didn't say it was a citizen's arrest, I repeat ‐- probable cause for what?

I'm looking for TM statement because he is the one who testified.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, I had to leave for a few minutes and expected to see that a verdict had been reached when I returned. No luck, I see. Jury will probably do lunch, fill out paperwork and then reach a verdict. IMO

 

[Hope4More]

If he didn't say it was a citizen's arrest, I repeat ‐- probable cause for what?

I'm looking for TM statement because he is the one who testified.

His statement/interview has never been made available to the public.

I'm assuming your question about prob cause is rhetorical, then, but if not, can't think of another way to explain why the video answers the question.

 

[Chelly]

Another link:
Watch Live: Murder Trial in Ahmaud Arbery Shooting Death

Just want to add: Similar to concerns others have posted, I worry that jurors are members of same culture represented by the McMichaels, Bryan and atty Gough. This verdict is important to our society in many ways.

 

[SuperTmo]

I am worried about why they wanted to see that video. If they acquit on murder charges for them, I will be be heartbroken.

 

[missingm]

When conducting a citizens arrest, would the citizen have to inform the person they are attempting to detain that it is a citizens arrest? Don’t the police have to identify themselves as police if they are in plain clothes? Like how would Ahmaud have known that they were trying to detain him? (Not that I believe they were trying to detain him or that they had grounds to arrest him, just curious)

There is no requirement to say anything in particular, which shows that the law isn't meant for minot crimes. If you see someone kill someone else you wouldn't say anything before tackling them or firing back. Obviously was meant for burglary when you catch someone in the actual act of being a burglar. Not some dubious think they might situation. It should be obvious to all involved why you are doing it.