GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[Falling Down]

^^^^^ This is the " heart of this tragedy" for everyone involved.........Just follow him until LE shows up to question him.........moo

Yes at that point, after 911 was called, the reasonable expectation would be that he would be or might be questioned.

It's in LE's hands at that point.

JMO

 

[SharonNeedles]

He's the "911" 1st caller; he's the fellow seen in the surveillance video ( from camera at 219 Satilla Drive); he's not TM, and how illuminating to hear that wearing baggy pants or shorts is somehow nefarious or just not done when jogging.

I just emailed the reporter of that article if that was correct, that TM was indeed the 911 caller at 1:08 pm. Her response was “Yes, this is correct. You can request the 911 call(s) from Glynn County in an Open Records Request.” This is a Georgia NPR / PBS affiliate, a credible source.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Arbery had of 3 shotgun blasts, two to his chest and one to his right wrist. No evidence of alcohol or drugs in his blood.

"As first reported by TMZ and the Associated Press Monday, the autopsy was conducted Feb. 24, the day after Arbery’s death, and found that he died from the two shotgun wounds to his chest.

One of the chest wounds was from left to right, the other appeared to have traveled upward, according to the report.

Blood tests for drugs and alcohol in Arbery’s system came back negative."
Autopsy finds Ahmaud Arbery was hit by 3 shotgun blasts

 

[Ray_of_hope]

This looks like at least the second time in Glynn County that LE did not want to arrest one of their own.
Arbery case not the 1st time Glynn County law enforcement hesitated to arrest one of their own

 

[Hope4More]

I just emailed the reporter of that article if that was correct, that TM was indeed the 911 caller at 1:08 pm. Her response was “Yes, this is correct. You can request the 911 call(s) from Glynn County in an Open Records Request.” This is a Georgia NPR / PBS affiliate, a credible source.

See Daily Mail story linked above. PS. Every other source about the calls I've seen/read specifically state the callers' names were redacted for privacy concerns/reasons. Understandably.

BTW, I would be thrilled to find out TM was actually the caller. Because it would be plain vanilla, incontrovertible evidence of additional lies his father told LE, and significant ones at that.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I agree with that. But I think they have plenty of supporters and are well-connected. They'll get as fair a trial as anyone who is accused of such a heinous crime would. That's always a concern with terrorism trials, because of what a chilling effect the crime has on the entire community. While these charges aren't terrorism, the effect of knowing these guys felt entitled to drive around and accost people with guns is chilling, IMO. And I really wish people, including the defendants, cared more about Mr. Arbery's rights.

My sense is that people do care about AA's rights and look at his death as the tragic situation that it is. I would say that most gun owners, myself included, think it was absolutely the wrong way to handle the situation. In fact, I'd say most of us question why they got involved at all, and are angry that they took weapons with them. Like it or not, and I don't, what one gun owner does reflects on all of us, no matter how many of us view the second amendment as a precious right that demands one act responsibly.

Where some of the divide seems to come in is:
-Some of us are concerned that all the facts may not be in.
-We're not certain that they got in the truck that day intending on killing anyone, and that they may very well not be the cold-blooded, premeditated killers they've been made out to be.
-We want to know all off the facts and influences leading up to AA's death.
-It matters to us what was their mindset and intent.
-We want to know more about Georgia law and how and does or does not apply to this case.
-We see <modsnip> leveraging this to THEIR greatest advantage and framing this in a way that fits their narrative.
-We see that some, in their rush to see the defendants pay, may gladly trample upon their constitutional rights, regardless of Georgia law or the frame of mind of the defendants at that time.
-We see that some are hell-bent on righting what has been framed a racially motivated crime, even though there may be no evidence of that.

So what do these dividing opinions and questions mean? They don't mean that we feel any less sympathy for AA and his loved ones. He should be alive today. We simply have questions and aren't comfortable getting old sparky ready just yet. All of the facts need to come in, and based on those facts alone the appropriate charge or charges should be filed. The cases must be tried in front of a jury of their peers who can be impartial and render a verdict based on consideration of facts only, not emotions. I don't see how that's even possible with this case.

Lastly, I was alarmed when I saw the video, and I'm equally alarmed by the street justice that's been called for on social media. There seems to be a near blood-lust like demand for vengeance. That should concern everyone.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Statement made by Elizabeth Graddy in the following article:

Homeowner’s attorney, Arbery family’s attorney respond to new video

When did Arbery's family get an attorney?

 

[Matic]

I want to see the unshown rest of that video and possibly why Mr. Arbery walked into that house and left it on the run......moo

The possibilities are endless to as the reasons why not one single msm network has shown the entire video.

I wonder if it's a legal matter where either the prosecution or the lawyer for the defendant, snagged it up and will use it during the trial for some reason. I don't know the correct legal term that I'm looking for.

 

[Boxer]

there was also a call to the non emergency number
DailyMail.com tracked down a man who called police on Ahmaud Arbery after seeing him entering a home under construction in Brunswick, Georgia

• The neighbor admitted he was suspicious of Arbery, because 'you don't go jogging wearing saggy pants, saggy shorts'
• He decided to alert police via a non-emergency number because the 'intruder' had 'no business' trespassing on the property around 1pm on February
• The man interviewed by DailyMail.com is on a police list of eyewitnesses so his evidence will likely play a part when the explosive case goes to trial
• He lives 350 yards from the construction site at 220 Satilla Drive and would only speak with DailyMail.com on condition of anonymity because he fears reprisals
  The witness said he had never personally seen Arbery before and had no evidence he was linked to the theft or any other crimes
• Man who called police on Ahmaud Arbery says he was suspicious because of 'saggy pants' | Daily Mail Online

"Saggy"
Looked at the video in the construction site. He is wearing a white T shirt out and gray shorts.
"Saggy" is a negative characterization. I don't see where the video supports it.

 

[firebird]

The possibilities are endless to as the reasons why not one single msm network has shown the entire video.

I wonder if it's a legal matter where either the prosecution or the lawyer for the defendant, snagged it up and will use it during the trial for some reason. I don't know the correct legal term that I'm looking for.

Imo, if it were helpful to the prosecution, Crump would've made sure it's out there.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

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Surely Mr. Arbery's clothing was no baggier than the jeans this guy's wearing with his handcuffs (along with his son's jeans and at least one arresting officer's pants). Man who called police on Ahmaud Arbery says he was suspicious because of 'saggy pants' | Daily Mail Online <modsnip: removed reference to quoted post that was removed>

 

[firebird]

Surely Mr. Arbery's clothing was no baggier than the jeans this guy's wearing in his cuffs (along with his son's jeans and at least one arresting officer's pants). Man who called police on Ahmaud Arbery says he was suspicious because of 'saggy pants' | Daily Mail Online <modsnip: removed reference to quoted post that was removed>

The saggy pants weren't the issue. It was the "sagging" while jogging or running. There are actually quite a few videos on the subject jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

Okay, thank you.

Learning that English is gravely ill, makes this already tragic situation even more so. It also explains why he might not be too keen on spending time filing an insurance claim, if, as it was reported, someone stole 2k+ worth of fishing gear. On a good day, dealing with a homeowner's claim is a hassle, let alone when someone is so ill that he won't be finishing the house he started.

I don't have any way of knowing, and I hope this isn't the case. But if English is dealing with end of life issues, that could explain why his story appears to have changed from one report to the next. I wouldn't want to spend any precious time I had being hounded by reporters and potentially dealing with a hostile public. (Depending on the version of the story he tells.) This is just a horrible situation all the way around.

I don't know if he has a long or short term illness but apparently he was working a couple of hours away on the day of the murder. I would think if he was capable of working he was capable of filing an insurance claim.

His story has never changed. Every statement by him has been consistent. He called police a few times to report the trespassing incidents.

The report that was linked here regarding his statement was, Once again, the unknown male is only trespassing and he has yet to see where anything has been taken.

His attorney later stated, "After the first time he saw someone in the house, he contacted LE and never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house, which again, was a construction site."

When questioned by the Washington Post about the alleged robbery, he stated, "That's completely wrong. I've never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery."

Both statements by English and his attorney are consistent with the incident report from early February.

Additionally, LE indicated that they canvassed the neighborhood but did not see anyone matching that description. They spoke to many residents who had never seen the male before. The videos and description had been distributed throughout the neighborhood FB page with negative results in identifying the male.

The McMichaels, after seeing Arbery run past their home, apparently believed him to be the male in the video, although he doesn't look anything like him.

Imo

 

[oviedo]

When did Arbery's family get an attorney?

My guess? When no one was arrested for their sons murder
Imo
Thanks everyone for the MSM links I’ve updated his media thread

 

[Boxer]

The saggy pants weren't the issue. It was the "sagging" while jogging or running. There are actually quite a few videos on the subject jmo

I looked and found very little. Of the YT videos I found one said don't sag because you can't run away, all the others seem to be about post partum recovery exercises.
I know you can't link YT but a search tip would be helpful.

 

[Boxer]

I don't know if he has a long or short term illness but apparently he was working a couple of hours away on the day of the murder. I would think if he was capable of working he was capable of filing an insurance claim.

His story has never changed. Every statement by him has been consistent. He called police a few times to report the trespassing incidents.

The report that was linked here regarding his report was, Once again, the unknown male is only trespassing and he has yet to see where anything has been taken.

His attorney later stated, "After the first time he saw someone in the house, he contacted LE and never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house, which again, was a construction site."

When questioned by the Washington Post about the alleged robbery, he stated, "That's completely wrong. I've never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery."

Both statements by English and his attorney are consistent with the incident report from early February.

Additionally, LE indicated that they canvassed the neighborhood but did not see anyone matching that description. They spoke to many residents who had never seen the male before. The videos and description had been distributed throughout the neighborhood FB page with negative results in identifying the male.

The McMichaels, after seeing Arbery come out of the home, apparently believed him to be the male in the video, although he doesn't look anything like him.

Imo

MOO the M's didn't see AA exit house in construction, they saw him running by the front of their house.

 

[branmuffin]

I agree.
Like just hemming him up and trying to slow him down without actually touching him until the police showed up.

What exactly do you think they had in mind if I may ask?

How do you hem in a runner with two vehicles?

 

[zencompass]

I don't know how to link articles but it's been mentioned in several.

I think it's included in his lawyers statement which would be a great article to post here if someone knows how.

I think it's from WTOC11. I mentioned it earlier. The lawyers name is Elizabeth Graddy and she is the one who said she questions whether the first two prosecutors handling of the case may have violated the Georgia Bar's Rules of Professional Responsibility.

It sounds like a possibility since the GBI Director said that the fact that within 36 hours they secured warrants for felony murder speaks volumes for itself. It did not take them long to find probable cause.

Imo

Dear MsBetsy,

I found the video of Elizabeth Graddy stating that "Mr. English has been suffering from some pretty severe health problems." She speaks of this at the video time mark 4:42 :


Elizabeth Graddy, attorney for Larry English, joins
@ABCNewsLive
to discuss the Ahmaud Arbery case. https://abcn.ws/3cmwoXK

Video:
ABC News Live on Twitter

 

[MsBetsy]

When did Arbery's family get an attorney?

I would hope as soon as their son was murdered and no arrests were made.

 

[firebird]

I don't know if he has a long or short term illness but apparently he was working a couple of hours away on the day of the murder. I would think if he was capable of working he was capable of filing an insurance claim.

His story has never changed. Every statement by him has been consistent. He called police a few times to report the trespassing incidents.

The report that was linked here regarding his statement was, Once again, the unknown male is only trespassing and he has yet to see where anything has been taken.

His attorney later stated, "After the first time he saw someone in the house, he contacted LE and never used the word "burglary." He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house, which again, was a construction site."

When questioned by the Washington Post about the alleged robbery, he stated, "That's completely wrong. I've never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery."

Both statements by English and his attorney are consistent with the incident report from early February.

Additionally, LE indicated that they canvassed the neighborhood but did not see anyone matching that description. They spoke to many residents who had never seen the male before. The videos and description had been distributed throughout the neighborhood FB page with negative results in identifying the male.

The McMichaels, after seeing Arbery come out of the home, apparently believed him to be the male in the video, although he doesn't look anything like him.

Imo

English lives in Douglas, GA. Which is about an hour and a half from the home under construction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...cal-officials-handling-ahmaud-arberys-murder/