GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[MsBetsy]

Well, they're going to say they believed he had a gun on 2/12. So that's likely what will be going to the jury - not as a fact, but as their belief. jmo

Yes, I'm sure they will also say that they were chasing him because they believed him to be the "suspect" responsible for the multiple break-ins in the neighborhood, although we still have not seen the evidence for this.

What they believe and what can be proven are two different things.

It's incredible that after two months there really wasn't much of an investigation as to whether those claims were justified.

It seems like Barnhill, in his letter, just accepted McMichaels word that Arbery was suspected of burglary, without actually looking into it. The only proof he offered was that he and other members of his family have a criminal history.

I'm not sure if the GBI has found any evidence that Arbery was a suspect in any burglaries, however.

It took them less than two days to find more than enough probable cause to arrest the McMichaels for felony murder.

Imo

 

[Sillybilly]

Also the police report says GM saw AA hauling down Satilla toward Burford (so not that he saw AA in the house). Also, he didn't say towards Jones, which would seem to indicate AA was south of Jones when GM first saw him. From the satellite image, this would seem to indicate that AA had to run past the McMichael residence enroute to Burford. Any visual GM had was certainly not first hand knowledge of AA even trespassing or burglarizing, just a guy jogging down the road.

 

[Hope4More]

Thinking more about Perez's story as told by the ACJ.

Perez had literally a few hundred yards to walk to get from his house to E's. He said he got the text with video from E, armed himself and began walking. It was nighttime.

He says that as he walked, he saw TM drive in front of E's site. Perez says that Travis spotted a trespasser on the front lawn, stopped, got out of his truck, approached the man, that the man reached into his waistband, TM freaked and went running off to fetch MM.

Where was Perez? And why did TM need to go get his daddy when Perez was a whole lot closer, and really, given the distance, had to have been right there in front? Perez said he was armed after all. And it was Perez that E relied upon to check things out for him. Not the MMs. Why go get MM?

Perez also says that he "saw no evidence of the young man around the house."

What does that mean, exactly? Where was Perez when TM left to go get MM? If Perez had seen the trespasser in the front yard when Travis approached him, did he not see where the trespasser went after that?

And, how is it Perez had to go searching for the intruder around the house if he, as he told the AJC, saw a car he "believes" he saw the trespasser get into before he was driven away?

 

[zencompass]

I'm also wondering about the different addresses. In the police report GM said he "went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 ..."


TM wasn't witnessing any trespassing, and from the sounds of it, neither was GM. GM said he was in his front yard when he saw AA "hauling down Satilla toward Burford ... he then ran inside his house and called to Travis". Nothing to say that either of them actually saw AA inside the home or even on the property. He was hauling his butt down Satilla, not inside the home.

Police Report

Dear @sillybilly,

Thanks for another great catch in the police report: "went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357"!

Now each time I read the police report I end up with more and more questions.

For instance, Mr. Diego Perez, is named as a witness on the police report. (as per Fox 23 news article below), with a date of his "involvement" as 3/18.

The statements attributed to Mr. Perez sound as if he is saying that he was physically at the site where Ahmaud Abery lay deceased:

"The next time he saw Arbery was the day he was shot dead, Perez says."

"Perez said he saw the man again on Feb. 23, this time motionless. Arbery lay dead on the pavement."

Was Mr. Perez present at the site where Ahmaud was shot? If so, why was the date 2/23 not used on the police report as opposed to 3/18? Perhaps 3/18 was the date of a follow up interview with him?

I know this will all come out during the trial but there are many questions I have as well as others concerning the information on the police report.

This will eventually all be clarified, including the information surrounding the 911 calls at the trial and likely not before.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8315531/Father-son-confrontation-Ahmaud-Arbery-two-weeks-shot.html

"Perez said he witnessed the February 11 incident after the property owner, Larry English, who lived two hours away, asked him to keep an eye on the site."

"After a motion sensor camera had been set off, Perez headed to the construction area, where he saw the McMichaels and the man he believes to have been Arbery."

"Perez said nothing was taken from the home, adding: 'All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras. No one knew who it was."
"The next time he saw Arbery was the day he was shot dead, Perez says."


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/suspects-arbery-shooting-had-earlier-neighborhood-confrontation/HGz6ZaFXYs3pkJhke22x4J/
"Perez said he saw the man again on Feb. 23, this time motionless. Arbery lay dead on the pavement."

**Please note: The police report which lists Mr. Perez as a "witness" is in this article:
Ahmaud Arbery: Bittersweet celebrations held in slain jogger’s memory following murder arrests

 

[Sillybilly]

To me it sounds like they were concerned neighborhood residents confronting a person whom they knew to have a history of crime, including theft and carrying a hand gun, who repeatedly creeped their neighborhood. Jmo

Perez said nothing was taken from the home, adding: 'All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras. No one knew who it was.'

If none of them knew who it was, they had no way of knowing anything about his history.

 

[zencompass]

I'm sure it will be, eventually.

I agree. All of this information will be eventually clarified at trial.

I think we all have many questions surrounding this case. I know I do!

 

[Hope4More]

Perez said nothing was taken from the home, adding: 'All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras. No one knew who it was.'

If none of them knew who it was, they had no way of knowing anything about his history.

Yep. And truly, for years, MM couldn't even pull it together to attend the training sessions required to keep himself certified LE. That's pretty sloppy, but just one more reason on the list of why I think it's wildly improbable that MM would remember a minor theft by a non-violent offender, 2 years later at all, much less to connect a face to the record. (Or vice-versa). There isn't any reason to believe MM ever even met AA in person for that matter.

 

[firebird]

Perez said nothing was taken from the home, adding: 'All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras. No one knew who it was.'

If none of them knew who it was, they had no way of knowing anything about his history.

Yep. I noticed that. Maybe Travis didn't know who it was, but his dad did. I'm going to try and leave off speculating for a while. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

 

[LietKynes]

Thinking more about Perez's story as told by the ACJ.

Perez had literally a few hundred yards to walk to get from his house to E's. He said he got the text with video from E, armed himself and began walking. It was nighttime.

He says that as he walked, he saw TM drive in front of E's site. Perez says that Travis spotted a trespasser on the front lawn, stopped, got out of his truck, approached the man, that the man reached into his waistband, TM freaked and went running off to fetch MM.

Where was Perez? And why did TM need to go get his daddy when Perez was a whole lot closer, and really, given the distance, had to have been right there in front? Perez said he was armed after all. And it was Perez that E relied upon to check things out for him. Not the MMs. Why go get MM?

Perez also says that he "saw no evidence of the young man around the house."

What does that mean, exactly? Where was Perez when TM left to go get MM? If Perez had seen the trespasser in the front yard when Travis approached him, did he not see where the trespasser went after that?

And, how is it Perez had to go searching for the intruder around the house if he, as he told the AJC, saw a car he "believes" he saw the trespasser get into before he was driven away?

bbm

Very interesting.
Mr. E. (aka homeowner of the house under construction) has certainly been distancing himself from this crime !
As well as everyone else involved.
Sounds like he was actively involved in persuading the neighbors to 'protect' his property.
Not saying E. wanted any violence.
But his statement after this became public made it sound like he had nothing to do with the events and had no previous issues with Ahmaud.
Js.

If I had a home under construction and didn't want trespassers --mainly for insurance/safety reasons -- I'd place large, bold "No tresspassing" signs everywhere.
And even if a person loitered there regardless... I wouldn't send a text or call a neighbor to go confront them.
Too much can go wrong .
I might have the neighbor call LE and let them know for the record.
Again more out of concern for safety issues and not wanting an accident to occur from falling boards, etc., on my property.

 

[Boxer]

Yes, I'm sure they will also say that they were chasing him because they believed him to be the "suspect" responsible for the multiple break-ins in the neighborhood, although we still have not seen the evidence for this.

What they believe and what can be proven are two different things.

It's incredible that after two months there really wasn't much of an investigation as to whether those claims were justified.

It seems like Barnhill, in his letter, just accepted McMichaels word that Arbery was suspected of burglary, without actually looking into it. The only proof he offered was that he and other members of his family have a criminal history.

I'm not sure if the GBI has found any evidence that Arbery was a suspect in any burglaries, however.

It took them less than two days to find more than enough probable cause to arrest the McMichaels for felony murder.

Imo

One thing that should be clear to GBI is that the man in the night time surveillance videos had tattoos on his upper left arm.

 

[oviedo]

<rsbm>

Yes ... at all times, the camera focusing on AA, not the McMichaels. No shocked expletives, no OMGs ... just silent, steady videotaping of one of the most traumatic things an individual can witness.

almost seems as if he knew what was coming, reconciled himself to it, and filmed it for the fun of it
IMO

 

[firebird]

almost seems as if he knew what was coming, reconciled himself to it, and filmed it for the fun of it
IMO

To me, it seems like he was trying to document what he believed to be a fleeing criminal. jmo

 

[firebird]

One thing that should be clear to GBI is that the man in the night time surveillance videos had tattoos on his upper left arm.

From Arbery's Autopsy Report at the link:

"The hair is black with twists and faded on the sides"

"Multiple monochromatic tattoos are present over the right and left upper extremities"

Autopsy finds Ahmaud Arbery was hit by 3 shotgun blasts

 

[sds71]

Sarah Gerwig-Moore, associate dean for academic affairs at Mercer University School of Law, said the video shows the men "boxing" in Arbery, which, taken with the evidence of them grabbing firearms beforehand, could help carry the murder charge.
In Georgia, Gerwig-Moore explained, there are not "degrees" in murder charges. A prosecutor would need to prove that the killing occurred with malice, "either express or implied," or while committing another felony.
The prosecution could argue the way the McMichaels "organized" and "coordinated" the shooting by trying to stop Arbery in the middle of the road could classify as implied malice, Gerwig-Moore said, as Georgia law does not require the same stringent level of premeditation required in some other states. Killing someone, regardless of intention, while committing another felony can also be grounds for a murder charge in Georgia, Gerwig-Moore said.

A struggle over the gun does not establish self defense," Gerwig-Moore said. The McMichaels brought the guns into the incident, and she said they initiated the encounter by first approaching Arbery with the firearms.
"He tried to disarm them really because that was his only hope of survival," Gerwig-Moore said. "In a fight or flight scenario, he chose to fight for his life."
[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/13/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-georgia-legal-experts-murder-case/3109900001/"]Ahmaud Arbery shooting video: Legal experts explain key frames[/URL]

 

[DD8]

Where are the night time videos that y'all are saying don't look like Arbery?

 

[Hope4More]

The Perez circle, squared.

1. E sent Perez the video. Perez armed himself and left. (Noting that it occurred to neither E or Perez to call the police).

2. Perez began walking the few hundreds yards towards the site.

3. He encountered TM before he reached the site. TM TOLD PEREZ that he had been driving past the site (at night), saw a trespasser, got out of his truck to confront him (in whatever way, eh?), but then when the fellow reached into his waistband, TM freaked and fled home to get MM.

Instead of calling LE. Especially if he thought the trespasser was carrying a gun and willing to use it. And MM runs right over too. Armed. Instead of calling LE.

4. Perez may have proceeded to look around alone (didn't see any sign of the young man), then noticed someone getting into a car close by, but far enough away that Perez could only say he believed it might have been the trespasser.

5. The trespasser was gone or going before MM arrived. Perez couldn't have had a good look at him. The credibility of most of that story, as relevant to MM and TM and what happened on Feb 23, comes down to believing what Perez says TM told him.

 

[LietKynes]

Where are the night time videos that y'all are saying don't look like Arbery?

I've only seen the stills.
Seemed like a much lighter-skinned man with a 'paunchy' tummy and a heavier build.
Js.

 

[LietKynes]

Man accused of murder in Ahmaud Arbery death had previously helped prosecute him, recused district attorney says | firstcoastnews.com

GM does appear to have left forearm tattoos in this video.
Interesting.

GLYNN COUNTY, Ga. — The Ware County district attorney who recused himself from investigating the death of Ahmaud Arbery said there is video of Arbery burglarizing a home immediately prior to the chase, confrontation and shooting.
bolding added.

So not just Jackie Johnson.
Is that entire county corrupt ?

Ok, so where is the rest of the video ?
We see a very short 3 second clip of Ahmaud inside the house under construction.
Why are they not showing all of it ?
Was anything found on his person after his murder ?
Otherwise that statement made by the DA is a lie.

 

[tlcya]

Two days later, on May 12, Carr asked the GBI to also conduct a concurrent investigation into prosecutorial misconduct.

“There could be federal law that's implicated on the one hand, and there could be state law that's implicated on the other. And, in order for us to determine all of the facts and in order for justice to be done, we need to come at this case from all angles and make sure we know what the facts are,” Carr said.

"From our perspective, based on the communications that we've received, based on the questions that have been raised by others in the community, based on even concerns that have been raised at the national level through the National District Attorneys Association, I feel that we absolutely must get to the bottom of this, we must ask questions as it relates to this issue as well as others," he added.

DA offices at center of 'prosecutorial misconduct' probe: Here's how they handled the Arbery case

 

[tlcya]

In communicating his desire to hand the case off to another district attorney's office, Barnhill said, "I believe we have the majority of the information at our office. There is a decent cell phone video of the entire shooting incident, also video of Arbery burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.

Man accused of murder in Ahmaud Arbery death had previously helped prosecute him, recused district attorney says

liar liar pants afire