GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[wildebeest]

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A contract killing that involves disposing of bodies in a lake? And severing heads?

JMO but that would cost extra. A lot extra. Chopping and carting involves a whole lot more risk.

I understand your point about this contract, if there was one, costing extra because of its enormity. I have always maintained that the perp or perps committed the additional atrocities on their own.

 

[wildebeest]

We don't know what the family is doing. They could have hired Perry Mason for all we know. It would be in their best interest and in the best interest of the case to be very discreet.

DAMIFINO---Maybe we need to look for another detective, as I believe Perry Mason is no longer with us.:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

 

[Foxfire]

DAMIFINO---Maybe we need to look for another detective, as I believe Perry Mason is no longer with us.:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

District Attorney Hamilton Burger, said to Perry Mason: "You're a better detective than you are a lawyer". Paul Drake, was the private detective in the Perry Mason series. Drake played by actor William DeWolf Hopper, Jr, died March 6, 1970..

 

[DAMIFINO]

DAMIFINO---Maybe we need to look for another detective, as I believe Perry Mason is no longer with us.:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

Say it ain't so!!

 

[DAMIFINO]

District Attorney Hamilton Burger, said to Perry Mason: "You're a better detective than you are a lawyer". Paul Drake, was the private detective in the Perry Mason series. Drake played by actor William DeWolf Hopper, Jr, died March 6, 1970..

Thanks! I was searching my brain for the name of the Perry Mason's private eye! Those were good times, family gathered around the old B&W TV watching Perry Mason, Gun Smoke, and all the other great shows. At least I remember them as great. Tells you my age!

 

[colette]

Another interesting tidbit about PI Paul Drake, William DeWolf Hopper, Jr. His mother was famous Hollywood columnist Hedda Hopper.

 

[Backwoods]

This may be a case to keep an eye on. North Salem NY is almost a straight shot from Putnam County - get on I-20 and then I-95 (922 mi or 13+ hours). This happened in a wealthy area. This was home of elderly couple where husband (88) apparently was not home at time. No signs of forced entry, nothing missing except a small fire extinguisher.

The hilltop home at the 300-acre Windswept Farm in North Salem, N.Y., where Lois Colley, 83, was beaten to death this week.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...olley-society-matriarch/ar-BBmVBKP?li=AAa0dzB

ETA Found a WS thread for this case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...iarch-Lois-Colley-death-by-blunt-force-trauma

Thanks for the heads-up on this case, watcher9. Wow -- I don't expect there to be any connection to the Dermond case, realistically, but when I first read that the husband in that case made his fortune through fast-food franchises, well ...it did make me sit up and take notice.

Someone over in the thread for Mrs. Colley posted something to the effect that he/she felt that it wouldn't take long to solve that crime. Likely that poster is correct...BUT I'm sure some had that feeling about the Dermond murders, too, to start off with ...and look where it stands today.

One thing the two cases certainly do have in common -- just a real sadness, that people in that season of life lost their lives to such violence.

From area TV news coverage from today: Sills says he doubts a connection, too -- but guess he took notes on this one as well. (And the coverage gives him a chance to get the unsolved Dermond murders and the reward offered back into the spotlight at least briefly -- and that's good, IMO.) Last part of the quote below is kind of interesting...hmm.

Lake Oconee double murder probe turns to N.Y. for clues

...The double murder of the Dermonds is one of the most unusual and horrifying in Georgia. When Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills learned about the murder of Colley — a socialite who was found dead in the laundry room of her home in a wealthy area known for its horse farms and large estates — he felt like he'd heard the story before....

...There's one other potential connection: the Dermonds' son Mark Dermond. He was killed during a street level drug deal in Atlanta 15 years ago. Sills said in the 1980s Mark Dermond was arrested in Nassau County, N.Y. — some 50 miles from the November crime scene. ...

more at: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...er-probe-turns-to-new-york-for-clues/76774416

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

If the killer is not immediate family I don't think he could tie up the estate. Money and family squabbles often lead to murder I just think it should be looked into more. I think Sills is holding back some big clues. Dumping the body in the river could mean many things but cutting someones head off usually means it's personal. I think someone had a problem with Mr Dermond who probably manages the finances in his household and rage took over and they beheaded him, now Mrs Dermond wasn't beheaded which tells me she was just killed for being there. This is still a bad economy and some investments have broken people and or their business was lost to the economy. I think this is all about the money, not that they were after their money but payback for maybe not financing or bailing someone out of financial disaster. I still think it's someone related or close to the Dermonds. It's just to personal not to be.

I have definitley had the same suspicion, even if relatives had to wait another year to "gain"due to delayed confirmation of Mrs D's death, they were healthy and could've lived for another 10 years, who knows, money is the root of all evil but., they will gain likely sooner than later, and did, and why take the chance of getting caught ...so you make it look like a mafia hit which is what much of the public is saying. Great coverup. I didnt' have the guts to say pointblank and then you come along and say what possibly many are thinking. If I recall, and what still bothers me, is there were reports of the D's personal home security having been tampered with a week or two before the murders, The daughter was in town easter weekend, 1 or 2 weeks before they were murdered.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

A contract killing that involves disposing of bodies in a lake? And severing heads?

JMO but that would cost extra. A lot extra. Chopping and carting involves a whole lot more risk.

CRAZy people do CRAZY things however

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Came on here to check out the NY murder with similarities to the D's murder that was mentioned nn 13wmaz.com today. I never did look into that case, meant to, but one interesting thing was that this report today mentions that Mark Dermond was arrested in Nassau Co NY on drug charges in the 80's not 50 miles from the murder site of this Colley woman, Was that ever reported and didnt' Sills go to NJ or NY investigating or not? http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...r-probe-turns-to-new-york-for-clues/76774416/ and if I recall on my readings, didn't the Dermonds move to Oconnee soon after their sons death or did they just purchase the property soon after their sons death and build later? I believe the Sandy Springs home was within 30 miles of another Dermond property near Atl but the son Marks address was found to be that of his parents in Sandy Springs but may have lived in the other property actually IDK. Don't know when the daughter and other sons moved away to FL and NC, one could've been living in the home in the ATL area near the D's instead of Mark, can't recall whose name that property was in. Just recalling some things that I found of interest. There are a lot of similarities in the other case in NY besides the beheading and dumping but who knows what goes on or the rage during the commission of a crime, so many could be similar in many many ways yet appear so differently due to something outrageous as the beheading. Just thinking out loud. I have my suspicions but try to keep an open mind. Im not set on one thing or another at this time in regards to this case. It's suspicious to me about the family's appearance of a lackadaisical attitude about their parents murder but then I've never been through or part of an investigation like this. I do believe that the investigators do not want interference in their case but the family did seem to come and go quite speedily IMO. Just praying something breaks soon, the Dermond couple deserve justice

 

[Steleheart]

District Attorney Hamilton Burger, said to Perry Mason: "You're a better detective than you are a lawyer". Paul Drake, was the private detective in the Perry Mason series. Drake played by actor William DeWolf Hopper, Jr, died March 6, 1970..

District Attorney Hamilton Burger was affectionately know by his friends as "Ham".

LOL maybe I made that up.

 

[Treelights]

District Attorney Hamilton Burger was affectionately know by his friends as "Ham".

LOL maybe I made that up.

Oh, I think you're hamming it up!
Thanks for the chuckle!

 

[Steleheart]

Oh, I think you're hamming it up!
Thanks for the chuckle!

Cheese, thank you! :laughing:

 

[Tillicum]

Human skull found off of Fulton County highway

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...f-fulton-county-highway/77718678/?csp=nbcnews

 

[Bootsctr]

Thanks for the heads up! Could it be Mr. Dermond's remains?

"The Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office says they are still trying to identify the skull, but they do not expect results for at least a day."


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/lo...8/?csp=nbcnews

 

[Tillicum]

Thanks for the heads up! Could it be Mr. Dermond's remains?

"The Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office says they are still trying to identify the skull, but they do not expect results for at least a day."


http://www.11alive.com/story/news/lo...8/?csp=nbcnews

I was surprised they expected to identify the remains in a day's time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was surprised they expected to identify the remains in a day's time.

Could the skull found have some teeth still remaining within the skull? Even if one molar was still present they can extract DNA from the pulp inside of it. It would probably be the upper teeth if any were found. Often the mandible will drop off once the muscles are no longer there to hold it in place.

Even if it is Russ' head I don't think it will bring them any closer to solving this case but they will be able to determine if he was shot in the head or bludgeoned in the head by a blunt object or neither.

IMO

 

[Tillicum]

This says "and other remains" so probably not Russel IMO.

http://patch.com/georgia/midtown/human-remains-discovered-near-downtown-connector-report-0

 

[Bootsctr]

I wondered about the "remains" part too. A skull would be considered remains I suppose, but then I would also expect there to be other bones nearby. I still think Mr. D's head is in Lake Oconee unless they took it as proof of death or as a trophy.

I haven't checked on Ms. Lois Colley's thread, but I did hear a bit of an update on her case the other day. Seems investigators are backing off that the fire extinguisher may not have been used for the blunt force trauma she suffered to her head. Also, they've hit a road block in the investigation and it doesn't seem her murder will be solved any time soon, if the reporting is good. Such a shame to have lived all these years and then be murdered in such vicious and violent manners. Doesn't make much sense, but not much does now days! "It's the tide, I tell you." No Country For Old Men....

 

[Bootsctr]

Could the skull found have some teeth still remaining within the skull? Even if one molar was still present they can extract DNA from the pulp inside of it. It would probably be the upper teeth if any were found. Often the mandible will drop off once the muscles are no longer there to hold it in place.

Even if it is Russ' head I don't think it will bring them any closer to solving this case but they will be able to determine if he was shot in the head or bludgeoned in the head by a blunt object or neither.

IMO

Thank you for the information about the teeth OceanBlueEyes! I think you are 100% correct in your assessment of finding Mr. Dermond's head not helping solve this strange case.