GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[dancinunderthemoon]

WEll Im sure there are plenty more female relatives.............but seeing how the alarm system was EVEN MENTIONEd, had to wonder.......Could be a non issue, initially I wondered if she tried to trip it somehow.............i am not familiar with alarm systems in detail.....................the fact that SOMEONE LIED about SOMEthing....IN MY BOOk....DOES NOT LOOK GOOD ON THEM.............especially in this case....it's also weird it was 12 days later they were murderered.....just digging around trying to understand.....

We still dont KNOW anything so we can't really let things go until there are answers......I swear someone may know something without knowing since the public has been given very little information.....Im sure the perps dont ONLY hang around GW or RP

I don't know if it was her that broke down during the interview but it could be her. I'm not even sure if the questioning was about the alarm but I think it was. Maybe she came up with a lame excuse or denied it was her that didn't set the alarm. Hearing how the dermonds were about the alarm setting makes me think this might be a non issue though since they know how to set the alarm. I would love to know when the last time that was deactivated

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Just throwing around weird facts and misc:

Russell and SHirley Dermond purchased the home on Huntcliff Trce on 3/17/1980 sold it 19 years later fro almost double the value on 4/17/1999 wanting to get away from the hustle and bustle of ATL...2 weeks after Easter SUnday APril 4

Russell and SHirley Dermond bought the lot at 147 Carolyn Dr Eatonton Aug 2, 1994, according to tax records built and completed the home sometime in 1999.................with the sale date above, I wonder if they were moving in end of APril first part of may 1999

The Dermond's son Mark Dermond was murdered in ATL on Aug 29 2000,

I found his residence to be 147 Carolyn Dr Eatonton, GA, I believe prior to that he also shared his parents address in Sandy Springs

Major filed a motion for new trial on November 29, 2001, and an amended motion on April 15, 2004.   The motion was denied on April 5, 2005, and Major filed a notice of appeal on May 2, 2005.   His timely appeal was docketed in this Court on January 9, 2006 and submitted for decision on the briefs.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-supreme-court/1185576.html

May 5, 1998 – Malachi York and others at the property are sued seeking an injunction preventing use of the Rameses nightclub. Also in May, the Nuwaubians file a zoning request in which they announce plans to build an “Egyptian theme park” comparable to Busch Gardens in Florida. That zoning request is denied in November.

May 8, 2002 – FBI agents and Putnam County sheriff’s officers raid the Nuwaubian village. Dwight York is arrested and charged with over 100 counts of child molestation. He has been incarcerated ever since.

http://www.panafricanalliance.com/black-organizations-dwight-york-nuwabians/

Seems a lot of things going on around Easter and in May

Question....IF something like the above, some revenge killing or hired hit were to be the cause of a murder such as teh D's, would we beleive that those type are more meticulously planned therefore less sloppy......................than say....

something like extortion, robbery gone bad, drugs, might be more on the sloppy side and not so well planned?

And which scenario would it be that the victim knew or knew of the perpetrator?
Which one would require so much confusion to throw off the investigation?
What scenario might be cause to behead someone? Or behead someone to throw off the investigation AND make it appear as a kidnapping?

Just mulling things over, AND NOT implying that these scenarious are the cause....just trying to find the types that fit this case'

thanks

 

[Deleted member 162919]

And which scenario would it be that the victim knew or knew of the perpetrator? Extortion
Which one would require so much confusion to throw off the investigation? Hit
What scenario might be cause to behead someone? Or behead someone to throw off the investigation AND make it appear as a kidnapping? Rage not so sure about a GSW to the head as being the reason for the beheading as there would be gunshot residue ( powder) on the floor or victim , there also would have been a major mess of blood throughout the house. I think the kidnapping of Shirley was planned but then she resisted and they killed her and dumped her in the lake so I think the resistance happened on the boat.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

And which scenario would it be that the victim knew or knew of the perpetrator? Extortion
Which one would require so much confusion to throw off the investigation? Hit
What scenario might be cause to behead someone? Or behead someone to throw off the investigation AND make it appear as a kidnapping? Rage not so sure about a GSW to the head as being the reason for the beheading as there would be gunshot residue ( powder) on the floor or victim , there also would have been a major mess of blood throughout the house. I think the kidnapping of Shirley was planned but then she resisted and they killed her and dumped her in the lake so I think the resistance happened on the boat.

Thank you!! My sentiments too! Except wasnt sure about shirley......OMG does that mean she saw the beheading? I pray to God she did NOT!

So Extortion, they would like be after HIM, since he was the money maker................

I still wonder if there might have been some private loaning of money, not recorded at the CH, but why behead him

It could have initially have been a calm morning/day with a visit from a (alleged) friend/family member to discuss it or rehash the loan or it was being called due or omething and perps intent was to get rid of that large loan, you wouldn't think he wuold do something without recording it but we all slip up sometimes, if it was a close family friend/christian/relative

I know, it sounds farfetched.......who knows

Would extortion also require beheading?

Would a hit require a beheading? would it be neat? would it be preplanned? Would it be very low crime scene evidence?

Whoever did it, planned to cover it up well and wanted him found

I wonder how they got shirley on the boat UNLESS, they took her by car to a boat at LS possibly where it's quiet and not much traffic (that I've ever seen) and launched and dumped....either way is risky to be discovered/seen except leaving by car, someone holding her down, driving the speed limit, pretty sure no one would know

however, even tho secluded at the cove lot, they were at the opening of the cove and clearly someone could see thigns happening there as someone saw the man on the lawn, however the cove lot, I THINK there is ahouse up the hill on other side of empty lot on end of cover IIRC, weoul def notice a boat if they never saw people unelss it was dark

so many questions still!!

 

[Razz]

Thank you!! My sentiments too! Except wasnt sure about shirley......OMG does that mean she saw the beheading? I pray to God she did NOT!

So Extortion, they would like be after HIM, since he was the money maker................

I still wonder if there might have been some private loaning of money, not recorded at the CH, but why behead him

It could have initially have been a calm morning/day with a visit from a (alleged) friend/family member to discuss it or rehash the loan or it was being called due or omething and perps intent was to get rid of that large loan, you wouldn't think he wuold do something without recording it but we all slip up sometimes, if it was a close family friend/christian/relative

I know, it sounds farfetched.......who knows

Would extortion also require beheading?

Would a hit require a beheading? would it be neat? would it be preplanned? Would it be very low crime scene evidence?

Whoever did it, planned to cover it up well and wanted him found

I wonder how they got shirley on the boat UNLESS, they took her by car to a boat at LS possibly where it's quiet and not much traffic (that I've ever seen) and launched and dumped....either way is risky to be discovered/seen except leaving by car, someone holding her down, driving the speed limit, pretty sure no one would know

however, even tho secluded at the cove lot, they were at the opening of the cove and clearly someone could see thigns happening there as someone saw the man on the lawn, however the cove lot, I THINK there is ahouse up the hill on other side of empty lot on end of cover IIRC, weoul def notice a boat if they never saw people unelss it was dark

so many questions still!!

I think a beheading is used to cause great fear and sends a very strong message.

I feel however, that both D's were hit over the head and killed before anything else took place.

Don't know if there is a way to bludgeon someone so blood loss or blood flow is minimal.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

And which scenario would it be that the victim knew or knew of the perpetrator? Extortion
Which one would require so much confusion to throw off the investigation? Hit....
What scenario might be cause to behead someone? Or behead someone to throw off the investigation AND make it appear as a kidnapping? Rage not so sure about a GSW to the head as being the reason for the beheading as there would be gunshot residue ( powder) on the floor or victim , there also would have been a major mess of blood throughout the house. I think the kidnapping of Shirley was planned but then she resisted and they killed her and dumped her in the lake so I think the resistance happened on the boat.

OK SO COULD THAT BE MOB/extortion or other faction, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shakedown too "out there" to be just an unplanned murder and beheading for a debit card pin number IMO...FAMILY HIRED HIT (follow money), HITMAN FOR REVENGE, HIT BECAUSE D KNEW SOMETHING OR SAID SOMETHING OR CAUSED SOMETHING, KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY....... other reasons that "I" can think of, may not cause a beheading....IMO like money laundering partner, hit to avoid loan payoff or the like?WHAT else AND who would haul her away but leave him, why not haul them both off? I think you are right, they did what they did to him but had to use her for something so took her and for whatever reason had to kill her after the fact. Do we think it was coincidence that she was dumped in the lake at all or means to confuse the investigation or both, if both, well planned! To leave no mess they knew how and what they would do from the beginning!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

i agree Razz....but the who is what is most puzzling

It does make sense that both were hit, I really haven't been of the opinion he was shot and she just hit....If they were lured out or they"heard a noise" and went outside to investigate that could explain the door being unlocked in lieu of being acquainted with them and the knocked, but either is quite possible but, one hard hit with a hammer like object (as SS put it) may not cause any blood splatter, but dont know if that one hit would kill someone or just knock them out, unless in the right place?? Sickening to think of for sure...thanks

Either way, it was planned and I just have trouble imagining how they got her to the boat unless they took her by car to a secluded boat launch like Lawrence Shoals by the Wallace Dam

with the circumstances of the crime, just trying to understand the type of perps....In my mind it's narrowed down some to hired hit or extortion of some great caliber, not just robbery gone bad can't get the pin number....doesnt seem to fit with the clean crime scene and beheading......JMO

bludgeoning is however a different story I suppose as far as blood splatter

I think a beheading is used to cause great fear and sends a very strong message.

I feel however, that both D's were hit over the head and killed before anything else took place.

Don't know if there is a way to bludgeon someone so blood loss or blood flow is minimal.

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[Razz]

i agree Razz....but the who is what is most puzzling

It does make sense that both were hit, I really haven't been of the opinion he was shot and she just hit....If they were lured out or they"heard a noise" and went outside to investigate that could explain the door being unlocked in lieu of being acquainted with them and the knocked, but either is quite possible but, one hard hit with a hammer like object (as SS put it) may not cause any blood splatter, but dont know if that one hit would kill someone or just knock them out, unless in the right place?? Sickening to think of for sure...thanks

Either way, it was planned and I just have trouble imagining how they got her to the boat unless they took her by car to a secluded boat launch like Lawrence Shoals by the Wallace Dam

with the circumstances of the crime, just trying to understand the type of perps....In my mind it's narrowed down some to hired hit or extortion of some great caliber, not just robbery gone bad can't get the pin number....doesnt seem to fit with the clean crime scene and beheading......JMO

bludgeoning is however a different story I suppose as far as blood splatter

I think they got Mr. D outside while going for the paper. I think he was bludgeoned outside.

Because the door was unlocked, 1 perp slipped inside , opened the
garage door and perp #2 dragged Mr. D inside and perp 1 closed the garage door and then went to find Mrs. D. while perp #2 did his work.

I believe and hope that Mrs. D did not see or hear anything. I don't think it was the perps' intention to terrorize either of them. So I believe she too was bludgeoned before she knew what was happening.

In the early evening, they either put her in the boat and left that way, or, they put her in the trunk of a car soon after she was bludgeoned and off they go while it's still early.

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[Deleted member 162919]

I think they had Mrs D either killed or away from Mr D during the beheading at least I hope so.
Extortion could either be a family member or someone from his former business or the kids business. It wouldn't require a beheading but anything is possible when it comes to money
A hit could require a beheading but I doubt they would have taken the time to follow the collar of his shirt as I read somewhere that's what they did.
This was definitely planned and very well planned at that. I think they wanted him found or they would have dumped him in the lake too. Mafia hits they usually are known for cleaning up after and taking no risks well at least the older mobsters anyways.

Thank you!! My sentiments too! Except wasnt sure about shirley......OMG does that mean she saw the beheading? I pray to God she did NOT!

So Extortion, they would like be after HIM, since he was the money maker................

I still wonder if there might have been some private loaning of money, not recorded at the CH, but why behead him

It could have initially have been a calm morning/day with a visit from a (alleged) friend/family member to discuss it or rehash the loan or it was being called due or omething and perps intent was to get rid of that large loan, you wouldn't think he wuold do something without recording it but we all slip up sometimes, if it was a close family friend/christian/relative

I know, it sounds farfetched.......who knows

Would extortion also require beheading?

Would a hit require a beheading? would it be neat? would it be preplanned? Would it be very low crime scene evidence?

Whoever did it, planned to cover it up well and wanted him found

I wonder how they got shirley on the boat UNLESS, they took her by car to a boat at LS possibly where it's quiet and not much traffic (that I've ever seen) and launched and dumped....either way is risky to be discovered/seen except leaving by car, someone holding her down, driving the speed limit, pretty sure no one would know

however, even tho secluded at the cove lot, they were at the opening of the cove and clearly someone could see thigns happening there as someone saw the man on the lawn, however the cove lot, I THINK there is ahouse up the hill on other side of empty lot on end of cover IIRC, weoul def notice a boat if they never saw people unelss it was dark

so many questions still!!

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Something that I have been thinking about a lot so i'm going to throw it out there.

I find it hard to believe that nobody checked on the Dermonds until 2 or 3 days after they didn't show up for the party. This is an elderly couple and those retirement communities are close knit . Did anyone call the Dermonds after they didn't show that day? the next day? the day after that? Did anyone call during the day of the party or after they didn't show up? Phone company would have that info even if they didn't answer the phone. If they didn't answer the phone wouldn't someone go by and check on them? I assume this is a quiet community and people watch out for each other somewhat anyways. Who knew the cameras at the gate were not working? HMMMMM

 

[Lawdog99]

dancinunderthemoon, sorry catching up, but whose post are we talking about, on websleuths, facebook, where and who?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hockeyguy33, I wondered the same thing, I do THINK I Recall people had called but no one went by until Tues....of course no one knows someone is going to be murdered, atleast not BOTH, you know the old adage, it wont' happen to us or anyone we know............well but I did wonder if the kids weren't calling, espeically the daughter, where was she, she's big into the equine world I think..........that always bugged me that the kids werne't in touch sooner, that's a big event and I'd be calling if no FB to see how it all went! If they bet and if they won! Anyway, on your ealier post, I had forgotten about the collar cut............WHAT does that mean? It's almost like, here ya go Mr businessman or something, that's weird...Is it the easiest place to cut and behead? I had read it's easy since it's really only small spinal area but I certainly dont know! Razz, Mr D was in his robe and bed was unmade, so I think it was early morning or late evening, and that is depending on if there was coffee in the pot or coffee mugs out still, since they were so neat, I would guess by late afternoon the cups and pot would be cleaned and in the DW

 

[Deleted member 162919]

So the party was on Saturday and after they didn't show up nobody went over to check on them after they didn't answer the phone ( I assume or hope someone called) these are people who are in their late 80's and are surrounded by people from 65 to 100 years old. that age group is usually paranoid when someone doesn't show for an event and doesn't answer their phone for 3 days . Could it be the Dermonds let it be known they had a visitor possibly coming over and if they did they probably wouldn't make it to the party? It seems odd nobody went over earlier than 3 days after the party and this didn't concern anyone enough to call police to do a wellness check. These communities are tight knit and they kind of use the buddy system so they had to be very close with at least one neighbor who kind of looks out for them and after not seeing them at a party they said they were going to attend if it was me i'd be checking on them pretty fast. I think this is a focus we should be looking at very closely . Phone records could tell the story , who called, how many times did they call, why didn't they go check on them etc.

 

[watcher9]

This video gives a description of the location near the Greene County/ Putnam County line where the body of Mrs D was located. Starts at about 0:49.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/16/justice/georgia-elderly-couple-killed/

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey Lawdog99, wondered where ya been......i saw on FB someone was serious po'd at SS......i dont think I can post it here, but if you do a search for russell dermond you will probably see it, that's the only way I saw it, was not even looking for it but if not, inbox me

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I agree, this was discussed very early on too hockyguy33, I want to say I remember that people did call but allegedly no one went by

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

OH, meant to say, that is a good point about possibly having company

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey watcher9, that video was 14 seconds long, but I remember it was the last bend in the river before the dam and LS, is that right?

 

[Lawdog99]

Hey Lawdog99, wondered where ya been......i saw on FB someone was serious po'd at SS......i dont think I can post it here, but if you do a search for russell dermond you will probably see it, that's the only way I saw it, was not even looking for it but if not, inbox me

10-4 Have you checked in on the Claude "Tex" McIver case, he shot his wife Diane McIver, in Atlanta. He is an attorney and they had a very nice home and from what I've read in WS, he borrowed money from her or her company to build a large entertainment type barn??? Their home was also located in Putnam County, Georgia and they were friends in the social circle. He was in backseat, wife in front passenger seat, friend of wife driving, he asked for his gun after becoming alarmed at people on sidewalks, but fell back asleep. Gun goes off shooting wife in back, she later dies at hospital. He was charged, and out on bond. Trying to revoke his bond today for having a gun in his condo in Atlanta, that was found, not seized, and when LE went back with warrant, gun was gone. There is a WS page on Diane McIver.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

WOW, I just realized this location was at the end of his street......RD was seen walking by, at or on the golf course on Friday? that is weird, Carolyn Dr runs right into on of the greens and the clubhouse and pub is on that course where he was probably walking, said he liked to walk so probably right up this street onto the green and home again.............then the 2 marina's are right across the lake from him on the same side of the lake in putnam but I still think too much activity would be there for all these shenanigans but perps could have put in there, short distance to get to the D's then go down river at night and back up to the waterfront marina's near the D's..........Im guessing the cameras there, if any, SMH, have been viewed also?

THe other courses are not as easy acess when walking at thie one by the clubhouse......I've said before, WHO knows who was employed at any of the GW or RP venues or other

This was planned though I dont doubt and many times a murder is someone you know........but the beheading.........maybe to confuse everything, if it wasn't so neat at the crime scene and house I'd think a typical break in.........Grrrr

here's a map....147 Carolyn Dr is starred.......https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...1cbb7cd4b5c3b7!8m2!3d33.3979906!4d-83.2515058

AND I WAS THINKING EARLIER ABOUT AN INITIATION KILLING BY SOME GROUP/CULT......perps could easily be watching him all the time if they worked anywhere nearby esp since he did a lot of walking...wow

Location.......
Weighed down by a pair of 30-pound concrete blocks, her corpse bloated and surfaced facedown in 46 feet of water. By boat, the spot lies some five miles from her home, in a wide bend above the Wallace Dam.(fyi the bottom of the map river frontage is putnam, the other side is green county.)

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html#storylink=cpy