GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[Backwoods]

Bootsctr, I am using your link to the Macon article again. There was so much info in there.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

“A man,” the sheriff said, “we’ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.”


I know we have talked about this before, but I wonder why SS said "A man, we'll just leave it at that..." Why would he add this afterthought?
He must know more info about this man than he wants to divulge. Maybe there was more than one person? Maybe the race was determined? Dreadlocks or bald? Short or tall? Weight?


Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718_new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

bbm in red: Either that...OR he wants someone out there to believe he knows more, even if he doesn't.

 

[jonnyrock]

Our theories continue to swirl as to how and why such horrendous murders could have occurred. I still find so many details fascinating, like why each Dermond was said to have been dead before one's decapitation and the other's disposal into the lake AND the roaring silence as to where exactly the Dermonds were murdered.

 

[Foxfire]

Bootsctr, I am using your link to the Macon article again. There was so much info in there.

Though Sills declined to elaborate, he mentioned the sighting of a potential suspect outside the Dermond house at 147 Carolyn Drive.

“A man,” the sheriff said, “we’ll just leave it at that, was seen on the property during the period that the murders could have occurred.”


I know we have talked about this before, but I wonder why SS said "A man, we'll just leave it at that..." Why would he add this afterthought?
He must know more info about this man than he wants to divulge. Maybe there was more than one person? Maybe the race was determined? Dreadlocks or bald? Short or tall? Weight?


Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718_new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

bbm in red: Either that...OR he wants someone out there to believe he knows more, even if he doesn't.

Imo, SS has a general description, including the race, of the man witnessed on the Dermond's property during the window of opportunity of their murders. Not longer after the discovery of their remains, SS responded to a crime involving multiple murders in an adjacent county. jmo

 

[watcher9]

Imo, SS has a general description, including the race, of the man witnessed on the Dermond's property during the window of opportunity of their murders. Not longer after the discovery of their remains, SS responded to a crime involving multiple murders in an adjacent county. jmo

Can you remind me about the multiple murder case? Were there any arrests?
The reason I was thinking about race was I saw the pictures of the suspects from Memphis who were arrested for the home invasions around the Atlanta area.

 

[Foxfire]

Can you remind me about the multiple murder case? Were there any arrests?
The reason I was thinking about race was I saw the pictures of the suspects from Memphis who were arrested for the home invasions around the Atlanta area.

Hope this helps, watcher9

originally posted by foxfire
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...charged-three-fatal-macon-shootings/12638195/

Fourth charged in Macon triple murder
6:09 p.m. EDT July 14, 2014

The Southeast Regional Fugitive Task Force assisted in the investigation and Bibb deputies received a Crime Stoppers tip leading to Cheney's arrest, the news release states.

At first, investigators thought they were investigating two separate homicide investigations, the news release states. During their investigation, they learned the deaths of Jarrell, Heard, and Dent were possibly linked.

Investigators say the three people were fatally wounded during a "robbery gone wrong" incident, the news release states.

The other three suspects arrested in the deaths are Rayshawn "Ping" Reanaldo Lucas, 32, Quintavious "Quinn" Isaih" Everett, 22, Vincent "White Boy" Lewis, 36.

 

[watcher9]

Hope this helps, watcher9

Thanks for finding that post.
I do remember it now. I had dismissed it then for continuity, but now, if he was looking at the race as a possibility, I would wonder if he also conferred with the Atlanta police on their case.
http://wreg.com/2015/07/30/memphis-men-indicted-for-atlanta-home-invasion/

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

That's very interesting...........ISIS, no forced entry, grandson, sweet elderly couple, regular church goers............

An update with a little more info on the Colorado resident & POI in the CA murder case of his elderly grandparents;

Police Want To Question Grandson Of Murdered Glendale Couple

http://laist.com/2015/06/30/nathaniel_scheiern_glendale_grandpa.php
Police are calling Nathaniel a person of interest because he was living with his grandparents, and was not home when their bodies were found, William told City News Service. Authorities contacted many family members who were able to lead them to Nathaniel, who turned out to be in a hospital. Family friend, Jim Stone, told KTLA that Nathaniel moved from Colorado to live with his grandparents in Glendale a year ago because he was "troubled."

Police have not released details about how the couple was killed, but believe they were murdered several days before they found their bodies, CBS Los Angeles reports. When authorities arrived at the home, they found that the door was slightly open with no forced entry, and that the home wasn't ransacked.
"We're pretty confident the victims were targeted, and that it's not a random act of violence," William told the Times.
A spokesperson for the Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, a church that the couple regularly attended, described them to KTLA as a "sweet, elderly couple."

Neighbors told CBS Los Angeles that they'd often hear Nathaniel arguing with his grandparents. Otherwise, he'd keep to himself. "I'd see him on occasion, at church and passing by, but he kind of like had his head down all the time, just very quiet," neighbor Tony Passarella said.

Police also said they found several ISIS terrorist videos posted on Nathaniel's Facebook page, and are now working with FBI's Counter-Terrorism Task Force on this case.
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[dancinunderthemoon]

Yes, Zuri, imo Sheriff Sills scrutinized the family closely and quickly ruled them out. Imo, if a family member were involved, the Dermond murder investigation would have been wrapped up in short order, as was the elderly Scheiern axe-murders investigation in Glendale CA 06/29/2015.. Their Grandson; Nathaniel Scheiern, was arrested the very next day..

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...-Glendale-grandparents-home-ax-312298961.html



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I agree, 1&2&3,.. There is no perfect murder. Only imperfect investigations, due to the failure by Sheriff Sills, to utilize all available investigative resources, imo.. Imo, there needs to be a task force formed in the Dermond murders investigation, including, but not limited too the FBI Counter-Terrorism Task Force, as in the CA axe-murders investigation..

But they had no family living with them

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

The difference here to all of these other crimes................beheading, removing one victim from scene and no valuables missing,( that anyone's aware).............. still sounds like a message to SOMEone or made to look so

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

But they had no family living with them

but they did have family visit 2 weeks prior to murders...........

 

[Foxfire]

But they had no family living with them

dancinunderthemoon, neither did the elderly CA couple, imo. Their grandson; NS, was only a temporary cya arrangement and he was living with them, on paper only, imo. The preliminary profile of the unknown suspect in the NOCO Sniper incidents & the later CA elderly couple murders do not line up with the Dermond murders scenario, imo. The CA couple were likely executed due to the 'see something, say something' policy of the DOJ/FBI. An impulsive rage killing is indicated, imo.

Although there are some similarities in these two heinous crimes, the preliminary profile of the unknown suspect/s in the Dermond's murders indicates a very calculated and elaborate meticulous plan carried out by an organization of well trained executioners or assassins, imo..

The CA murders were carried out to prevent a message from being sent to authorities, while the Dermond murders were carried out to send a message to authorities... Specifically Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills...jmo

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Shooter-Has-Colorado-Drivers-on-Edge-2/page54

<see comment #799 - 07/18/15 by foxfire>
Bumping this post from 06-27-2015, for reference as to the likely traits of the unknown NOCO Shooter/SK. This post was made two days before the discovery in Glendale, CA, of the axe-murders of Verna Scheiern, 82 , and William Scheiern, 77 and the arrest of their grandson; Nathaniel Wayne Scheiern. <snipped - read more @ link>
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/go...utnam-County-2-May-2014-10&ss=8941j5116307j18

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

pretty significant differences as I posted earlier

The difference here to all of these other crimes................beheading, removing one victim from scene and no valuables missing,( that anyone's aware).............. still sounds like a message to SOMEone or made to look so

dancinunderthemoon, neither did the elderly CA couple, imo. Their grandson; NS, was only a temporary cya arrangement and he was living with them, on paper only, imo. The preliminary profile of the unknown suspect in the NOCO Sniper incidents & the later CA elderly couple murders do not line up with the Dermond murders scenario, imo. The CA couple were likely executed due to the 'see something, say something' policy of the DOJ/FBI. An impulsive rage killing is indicated, imo.

Although there are some similarities in these two heinous crimes, the preliminary profile of the unknown suspect/s in the Dermond's murders indicates a very calculated and elaborate meticulous plan carried out by an organization of well trained executioners or assassins, imo..

The CA murders were carried out to prevent a message from being sent to authorities, while the Dermond murders were carried out to send a message to authorities... Specifically Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills...jmo

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Shooter-Has-Colorado-Drivers-on-Edge-2/page54

<see comment #799 - 07/18/15 by foxfire>
Bumping this post from 06-27-2015, for reference as to the likely traits of the unknown NOCO Shooter/SK. This post was made two days before the discovery in Glendale, CA, of the axe-murders of Verna Scheiern, 82 , and William Scheiern, 77 and the arrest of their grandson; Nathaniel Wayne Scheiern. <snipped - read more @ link>
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Other related links @ -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/go...utnam-County-2-May-2014-10&ss=8941j5116307j18

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Crimes like this are becoming harder to solve, imo.

No longer is an overkill or a gruesome aftermath strictly tied to someone the victim/s knew. We are seeing heinous crimes taking place even when the offender/s did not know the victim/s at all. It seems the criminals of today are more wicked/cruel, brutal, and depraved than ever. Doing horrible sadistic cruel things to their victims (overkills) when at one time LE thought that had to mean the offender knew the victim. No longer is that the case. They now do this to people they have never even known and desecrate the bodies after the murder/s. They do this, imo, because in the end its all about power and control over another helpless being. They know they can do whatever they want and there is no one there to stop them.

I deeply admire, respect, and adore Foxfire.... considering him my friend, but I respectfully don't believe this was done by a hit man.

I don't even believe the murders were committed to send a message to a specific person. We are living in scary times now and the FBI/DOJ states violent homicides are on the rise. I think it was done to satisfy the thrill the killer/s wanted to experience.

We have seen cases in the news where gruesome things were done to the victims and the offenders main purpose for doing so is they wanted to know how it would feel to kill someone.

There was a case a few years back where two teens picked a home only because of its isolated location. They went in with bludgeoning weapons and a machete and hacked and bludgeoned the mom to death and severely injured her little daughter. The attackers did not know their victims.

Another case involved 2 teens and one of the participants cut the head off of the victim. He wanted to cut the head off so he did and put it in a bucket.

So it could have been just about anyone although I... myself.... have long ruled out any family involvement nor do I think it was a hit.

I know there must be other cases that are also unsolved where decapitation was done so I certainly hope Sills has talked with other LE officials in other states to see if they have a similar crime. Decapitations have been done by complete strangers. Preying on the elderly unfortunately is no longer a rare occurrence either. They are easy targets due to age and are more defenseless than someone younger.

The scary thing is no one knows what is lurking in anyone's mind at any given time or what they may be plotting to do to completely innocent people. There are a lot of people who are heavily addicted to drugs and some of those drugs can make them act out violently. We saw that in the Bobo case and she never associated with any of her rapists/murderers. They just came and took her because they knew they could and when they were through brutalizing her they murdered her and threw her away like trash.

I think these murders could have been done by young thrill seeking killers between late teens to in their 30s.

I also don't think decapitating Russ' head was for shock value either. I think they cut his head off because that was as much a part of the thrill as murdering them both. I think they took it with them to be able to relive what they had done if only for a short while.

Sadly, bad things can be learned on the internet and there are sites that tells how to make a clean cut decapitation like ISIS does.

IMO

 

[Foxfire]

Crimes like this are becoming harder to solve, imo.

No longer is an overkill or a gruesome aftermath strictly tied to someone the victim/s knew. We are seeing heinous crimes taking place even when the offender/s did not know the victim/s at all. It seems the criminals of today are more wicked/cruel, brutal, and depraved than ever. Doing horrible sadistic cruel things to their victims (overkills) when at one time LE thought that had to mean the offender knew the victim. No longer is that the case. They now do this to people they have never even known and desecrate the bodies after the murder/s. They do this, imo, because in the end its all about power and control over another helpless being. They know they can do whatever they want and there is no one there to stop them.

I deeply admire, respect, and adore Foxfire.... considering him my friend, but I respectfully don't believe this was done by a hit man.

I don't even believe the murders were committed to send a message to a specific person. We are living in scary times now and the FBI/DOJ states violent homicides are on the rise. I think it was done to satisfy the thrill the killer/s wanted to experience.

We have seen cases in the news where gruesome things were done to the victims and the offenders main purpose for doing so is they wanted to know how it would feel to kill someone.

There was a case a few years back where two teens picked a home only because of its isolated location. They went in with bludgeoning weapons and a machete and hacked and bludgeoned the mom to death and severely injured her little daughter. The attackers did not know their victims.

Another case involved 2 teens and one of the participants cut the head off of the victim. He wanted to cut the head off so he did and put it in a bucket.

So it could have been just about anyone although I... myself.... have long ruled out any family involvement nor do I think it was a hit.

I know there must be other cases that are also unsolved where decapitation was done so I certainly hope Sills has talked with other LE officials in other states to see if they have a similar crime. Decapitations have been done by complete strangers. Preying on the elderly unfortunately is no longer a rare occurrence either. They are easy targets due to age and are more defenseless than someone younger.

The scary thing is no one knows what is lurking in anyone's mind at any given time or what they may be plotting to do to completely innocent people. There are a lot of people who are heavily addicted to drugs and some of those drugs can make them act out violently. We saw that in the Bobo case and she never associated with any of her rapists/murderers. They just came and took her because they knew they could and when they were through brutalizing her they murdered her and threw her away like trash.

I think these murders could have been done by young thrill seeking killers between late teens to in their 30s.

I also don't think decapitating Russ' head was for shock value either. I think they cut his head off because that was as much a part of the thrill as murdering them both. I think they took it with them to be able to relive what they had done if only for a short while.

Sadly, bad things can be learned on the internet and there are sites that tells how to make a clean cut decapitation like ISIS does.

IMO

Thanx for the kind words and for chiming in with your thoughts, oceanblueeyes. I honor and respect your opinions as well, and agree that anything is possible with the dark cloud of evil that we have seen hovering over today's society. It has been a very long 15 months since the Dermond's tragic murders in May 2014.

Imo, I am very confident that we have sleuthed and researched every likely and scenario possible with known info and indicators.
Oceanblueeyes, I don't believe this was done by a hit man either. I do not believe that the Dermond's were executed by a lone assassin, nor do I know their gender/s. In all of the possible scenarios that you presented, there is virtually always forensics and other incriminating residue left at the crime scene. This is not the case in the Dermond murders. The only residue left in the perp's wake is an aura of evil and a puzzled legendary Sheriff without answers scratching his head in absolute confusion, imo..

Imo, there were multiple perps involved in a well planned and meticulously executed mission by a well trained paramilitary militia.. All the signs and indicators are present, including the deafening silence by law enforcement; specifically Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills and the FBI...jmo

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Thanx for the kind words and for chiming in with your thoughts, oceanblueeyes. I honor and respect your opinions as well, and agree that anything is possible with the dark cloud of evil that we have seen hovering over today's society. It has been a very long 15 months since the Dermond's tragic murders in May 2014.

Imo, I am very confident that we have sleuthed and researched every likely and scenario possible with known info and indicators.
Oceanblueeyes, I don't believe this was done by a hit man either. I do not believe that the Dermond's were executed by a lone assassin, nor do I know their gender/s. In all of the possible scenarios that you presented, there is virtually always forensics and other incriminating residue left at the crime scene. This is not the case in the Dermond murders. The only residue left in the perp's wake is an aura of evil and a puzzled legendary Sheriff without answers scratching his head in absolute confusion, imo..

Imo, there were multiple perps involved in a well planned and meticulously executed mission by a well trained paramilitary militia.. All the signs and indicators are present, including the deafening silence by law enforcement; specifically Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills and the FBI...jmo

I just can't fathom that it was some first time criminal or young person who left no trace of forensics, hardly, if any. Sounds more like someone who knew what they were doing and have done this many times before,
of course, we may not have all the facts from SS.

 

[Foxfire]

Jeeze...

https://www.facebook.com/EatontonMessenger?fref=ts
Eatonton Messenger
August 14 at 7:09pm · Edited ·
Eatonton City Council meetings become heated; councilor fears audience member might pull gun, wonders if meetings should move behind metal detector-equipped checkpoints, receive other forms of beefed up security

 

[Bootsctr]

I just can't fathom that it was some first time criminal or young person who left no trace of forensics, hardly, if any. Sounds more like someone who knew what they were doing and have done this many times before,
of course, we may not have all the facts from SS.

I'm with you. The crime scene was too clean for a disorganized, doped up young criminal. I don't think it was about money at all. I think it was a grudge kill by someone who carefully planned the murders, or someone was sending a message to the entire community including SS. I think ice water runs through their veins.

 

[jonnyrock]

Agree. I think this was a grudge kill meticulously and patiently planned--- a one and out, if you will. Were these murders intended to leave somebody a message it's a very cryptic one indeed. There does not appear to have been any "taunts" left at the crime scene or follow-up message clues that often accompany a sensational crime intended to serve notice on someone or a community at large.

 

[Bootsctr]

We still don't know where all the crime scenes are located. Was Mr. D murdered right outside the garage and then dragged inside the garage? Where did poor Mrs. D meet her demise? She was dead when she was dumped in the lake and Mr. D was dead before his head was cut off. Strange.

I just think if it was a meth head that intended on getting cash by withdrawing from the ATM that he/she/they would have gone ballistic when that was not a possible.

Would the house and property itself be motive for someone who coveted it? Just not feeling that as a good reason to kill Mr. and Mrs. D. What could possibly be a motive for murdering two elderly folks who lived quietly and unassuming in this gated community? Makes no sense.

I think the scariest thing about these murders to me is the fact that whomever killed them slipped away under the cover of darkness and returned to their normal life without a hint as to their evil deeds. How does anyone do that? :gaah: They have no soul!

Yeah - no taunting or follow-up murder to scare the rest of the living daylights of everyone else in the GW/RP community. Of course, I'm sure these murders are ones that will be on a lot of people's minds for a looong time. I can't see anyone that lives there falling back into a comfortable state for years to come. I have an twitchy finger just thinking about what happened to the Dermonds.

 

[watcher9]

I keep going back to the picture of a collection of swords on the wall. I think we determined it was a picture taken from somewhere else. But, if someone saw that picture, say on Facebook, and associated it with the Dermonds, they might have become very angry when they found the swords weren't in the house.