GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

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  • #321
Going back to a grudge killing scenario, could the perp have a deep seated hatred for Mr Dermond for a long ago event that negatively impacted the perp, perhaps in his youth. As an adult, the perp blames the victim for how horrible his life has turned out and seeks revenge. He kills Mrs Dermond as well because she was aware of the event(s) and was a silent bystander.
Thinking outside of the box.
Imo
 
  • #322
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Yes, True Crime Lover.. A critical second pair of eyes, which should have been requested from day one; 'The Georgia Bureau of Investigation'..
'TCL, your profile pic has multiple meanings'..



DAMIFINO, imo everyone is sharing some very interesting thoughts. Keep the conversation going.. "Awareness is the key"..

AND this is what has made me suspicious all along, among other things...........

I just can't help but wonder who in this world could do this so unsuspiciously, know their routine, party going etc and come and go without fanfare and all the while planning this murder..................

weren't the children notified like a week later? no one, no one KNEW!
 
  • #323
True Crime Lover, I can't remember SS stating that Mr D died due to a gunshot wound to the head.. Do you have a link, please..

Coroner: Dermond died from head trauma..
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/09/putnam-murder-autopsy-report/8893493/
Putnam County Coroner Gary McElhenney says Russell Dermond died from cranial cerebral trauma. That is the official cause of death listed on the autopsy.

Friday morning McElhenney told 13WMAZ's Anita Oh, cranial cerebral trauma means the cause of death was some sort of wound to the head, but they won't know exactly what until they find the head. McElhenney says that hasn't happened yet.

Dermond's body did not have any gunshot wounds, stab wounds, or bruising. The coroner says there was no indication of a struggle.

The blood splatter at the murder scene confirms that Dermond was beheaded after his death. McElhenney says there would have been more blood if the beheading had happened while Dermond was still alive.
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Autopsy: Elderly Ga. man was dead before head was severed
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/autopsy-elderly-georgia-man-dead-when-head-was-cut-off/

ATLANTA - Authorities say an autopsy showed an 88-year-old Georgia man was already dead when his head was cut off.

Putnam County Deputy Coroner Marcus Turner says authorities believe Russell Dermond died of a head or brain injury.
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Georgia elderly man decapitated, wife missing; authorities seek clues
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/justice/georgia-elderly-man-decapitated-wife-missing/
Details of the case have baffled investigators.

"You've got such unusual circumstances here," Sills said. "If it's an abduction, you would expect some sort of extortion demand. If it was an assassination, you'd think both bodies would be there. And then you have, totally, nothing in their background that indicates anything like this, and then the area where it happened is not indicative of any type of homicide."

I thought I recalled SS also stated later on that he now beleived the beheading wasn't to conceal evidence..... I have no link, maybe someone can confirm or deny? It may have been in regards to something else in the case

Also, not sure Lake Oconee does a lake draw down, IF there is anything to be found there, Sinclairs drawdown is beginning Oct 18, IF anything is to be found there, I imagine if not a trophy, then the perps may know what lakes participate and don't, being how well planned this seems to be thus far
 
  • #324
AND this is what has made me suspicious all along, among other things...........

I just can't help but wonder who in this world could do this so unsuspiciously, know their routine, party going etc and come and go without fanfare and all the while planning this murder..................

weren't the children notified like a week later? no one, no one KNEW!

Its really hard to say. Unfortunately, crimes are committed even in broad daylight on a busy street and the case is never solved because no one saw or heard a thing. And the police were left with a case that had no evidence or very little. There are plenty of cases where victims were found murdered in their home and LE doesn't have evidence to show them who did it. These type of cases haunt LE and I am sure this one does for Sills as well.

The Dermond property was a perfect place to commit a murder with it having two avenues to come or leave plus it sat way on the backside of the subdivion. Really I would think the only ones that were in that area much would have been someone coming to see them or their neighbors or maybe the landscapers who cut the grass. The problem though these homes don't sit real close together so it was rather isolated. I believe I remember there is a thicket of trees that obstructs the home from being seen by the neighbors. Now those that fish may come into that slew from time to time but I would say the overall property was probably pretty quiet with no one around much except an occasional fisherman and those who lived close by them.

The land/boat dock gave the murderer/s more options. Their home was very open from the front side and the backside on the lake. People passing by on a boat would easily know their layout of the land overall property and adjoining properties. They would even be able to know the layout of the home to get in and out choosing the one that would be less seen. They could assess all of that before even stepping on land.

Since one of the neighbors who was outside saw a man in the back the property the day it happened its my opinion they used a boat and took Shirley with them. They didn't pull it up where it could be seen from the home but I think they turned a John boat were it was parallel the seawall making it unseen by the Dermonds.

I cant remember all facets of this case but I don't think they ever narrowed down the exact time when the murders happened. So the perp, and I do think it is one lone perp, who used Shirley to get control of her husband. He/she/they ruled and controlled Shirley through fear and intimidation. I think they threatened to kill Russ if she didn't do as they demanded which imo it meant being tied up. Once tied up and bound they killed Russ and forced her to go down to the boat dock and leave with them. I don't think she was killed at the home. I think whoever this was had her hands tied and mouth gagged and then they proceeded to bludgeon her to death and after dropped her body in the deep part of the water thinking it would stay hidden.

Over the years as disheartening as it gets it seems so many times the luck is on the side of the killer/s. That is why so many cases including this one don't get solved right away. When there isn't any familiar link between the victim/s and suspect its a harder case to solve.

I think murders like this are a combination of luck and having the right opportunity and seizing upon it when it comes along.

There have been many murders even gruesome ones where the suspect was able to pull off the heinous crime of someone they didn't even know and in some cases had never even been to the particular home of the victim/s involved. Yet, they were able to make all the dominoes fall into place...sight unseen and leaving no evidence or not enough evidence behind.

The Dermond couple may not even been the targets. It could be a home invasion that went wrong when they found them both on the property. I do agree with Sills about taking the head. We have seen other decapitations done even by killers who didn't know the victim. Some killers just love the thrill of being able to do something so horrific and gruesome. In some cases desecrating a body is part of the thrill. They don't have to decapitate both victims. I think why they decapitated Russ' head was trying to slow down the police investigation. And it worked. LE spent most of the time at first at the crime scene they had doing the thorough forensic evaluation concerning Russ since his torso was left there. They also may have thought by removing Russ' head with no Shirley to be found anywhere (at the time) that it would make LE think this may implicate her in the murder of her husband. And for awhile until Shirley was found Sills did include her as a possibility. Unfortunately we have seen much older men and women murder their spouse in the later years.:(

So its really not a whole lot of difference in this case and another case where the police lacked evidence to even begin to show them who did it. I remember when Sarah Walker was bludgeoned, stabbed, beaten and murdered LE was sure she was targeted by someone she knew. They said the same thing. How did the suspect know she would be where she was? How would they know she would be alone? ETC. No one saw anyone around the model home. In the end the suspect didn't know anything before going in. He saw her go from her car into the model home. He saw no one else around and he walked in and cold bloodedly murdered a woman who was a complete stranger to him.

We see often where police say they just don't have the evidence they need to solve a particular case one way or another. So a lot of murder cases remained unsolved due to the lack of evidence. I think this is one of those cases.

I don't think this was a hit. In fact other than the brother who was murdered when he was buying drugs, I don't think any of these family members are anything but good people who had devoted parents they knew loved them. I certainly don't think the elderly couple was connected to the Mafia and Sills had to shake his head at that theory it was so unreasonable. Me too.

Just bouncing off your post dancin.....:)

People theorize quite often that there must be family involvement due to them inheriting a large amount of assets from parents who were murdered. While I understand that way of thinking it does not always hold weight. Sadly, people of wealth have been murdered by an acquaintance, neighbor, coworker,stranger, etc. So even though the Dermond children inherited their parents assets doesn't mean they had anything to do with what happened to their mom and dad. Nor does the 'who had the most to gain.' People kill for many motives even absolutely ridiculous and trivial ones but even those motives are enough in the mind of the killer. Until the motive is known there isn't evidence to support the ones who financially gained the most are the suspects.

Wealthy people have even been murdered by a complete stranger. Their children, of course, and rightfully so were given all the assets the wealthy parent/s had even though they had nothing to do with them being murdered. All that means is the wishes of the parents were carried out in case something should happened to them.

Sorry for the very long post. I don't get to come here as often as I would like to post. So I have to do them all in one! :D

IMO
 
  • #325
Sure have missed your intriguing post, u have always been one of my favorite sleuthers! :websleuther: Welcome back!:welcomeback:
 
  • #326
Its really hard to say. Unfortunately, crimes are committed even in broad daylight on a busy street and the case is never solved because no one saw or heard a thing. And the police were left with a case that had no evidence or very little. There are plenty of cases where victims were found murdered in their home and LE doesn't have evidence to show them who did it. These type of cases haunt LE and I am sure this one does for Sills as well.

The Dermond property was a perfect place to commit a murder with it having two avenues to come or leave plus it sat way on the backside of the subdivion. Really I would think the only ones that were in that area much would have been someone coming to see them or their neighbors or maybe the landscapers who cut the grass. The problem though these homes don't sit real close together so it was rather isolated. I believe I remember there is a thicket of trees that obstructs the home from being seen by the neighbors. Now those that fish may come into that slew from time to time but I would say the overall property was probably pretty quiet with no one around much except an occasional fisherman and those who lived close by them.

The land/boat dock gave the murderer/s more options. Their home was very open from the front side and the backside on the lake. People passing by on a boat would easily know their layout of the land overall property and adjoining properties. They would even be able to know the layout of the home to get in and out choosing the one that would be less seen. They could assess all of that before even stepping on land.

Since one of the neighbors who was outside saw a man in the back the property the day it happened its my opinion they used a boat and took Shirley with them. They didn't pull it up where it could be seen from the home but I think they turned a John boat were it was parallel the seawall making it unseen by the Dermonds.

I cant remember all facets of this case but I don't think they ever narrowed down the exact time when the murders happened. So the perp, and I do think it is one lone perp, who used Shirley to get control of her husband. He/she/they ruled and controlled Shirley through fear and intimidation. I think they threatened to kill Russ if she didn't do as they demanded which imo it meant being tied up. Once tied up and bound they killed Russ and forced her to go down to the boat dock and leave with them. I don't think she was killed at the home. I think whoever this was had her hands tied and mouth gagged and then they proceeded to bludgeon her to death and after dropped her body in the deep part of the water thinking it would stay hidden.

Over the years as disheartening as it gets it seems so many times the luck is on the side of the killer/s. That is why so many cases including this one don't get solved right away. When there isn't any familiar link between the victim/s and suspect its a harder case to solve.

I think murders like this are a combination of luck and having the right opportunity and seizing upon it when it comes along.

There have been many murders even gruesome ones where the suspect was able to pull off the heinous crime of someone they didn't even know and in some cases had never even been to the particular home of the victim/s involved. Yet, they were able to make all the dominoes fall into place...sight unseen and leaving no evidence or not enough evidence behind.

The Dermond couple may not even been the targets. It could be a home invasion that went wrong when they found them both on the property. I do agree with Sills about taking the head. We have seen other decapitations done even by killers who didn't know the victim. Some killers just love the thrill of being able to do something so horrific and gruesome. In some cases desecrating a body is part of the thrill. They don't have to decapitate both victims. I think why they decapitated Russ' head was trying to slow down the police investigation. And it worked. LE spent most of the time at first at the crime scene they had doing the thorough forensic evaluation concerning Russ since his torso was left there. They also may have thought by removing Russ' head with no Shirley to be found anywhere (at the time) that it would make LE think this may implicate her in the murder of her husband. And for awhile until Shirley was found Sills did include her as a possibility. Unfortunately we have seen much older men and women murder their spouse in the later years.:(

So its really not a whole lot of difference in this case and another case where the police lacked evidence to even begin to show them who did it. I remember when Sarah Walker was bludgeoned, stabbed, beaten and murdered LE was sure she was targeted by someone she knew. They said the same thing. How did the suspect know she would be where she was? How would they know she would be alone? ETC. No one saw anyone around the model home. In the end the suspect didn't know anything before going in. He saw her go from her car into the model home. He saw no one else around and he walked in and cold bloodedly murdered a woman who was a complete stranger to him.

We see often where police say they just don't have the evidence they need to solve a particular case one way or another. So a lot of murder cases remained unsolved due to the lack of evidence. I think this is one of those cases.

I don't think this was a hit. In fact other than the brother who was murdered when he was buying drugs, I don't think any of these family members are anything but good people who had devoted parents they knew loved them. I certainly don't think the elderly couple was connected to the Mafia and Sills had to shake his head at that theory it was so unreasonable. Me too.

Just bouncing off your post dancin.....:)

People theorize quite often that there must be family involvement due to them inheriting a large amount of assets from parents who were murdered. While I understand that way of thinking it does not always hold weight. Sadly, people of wealth have been murdered by an acquaintance, neighbor, coworker,stranger, etc. So even though the Dermond children inherited their parents assets doesn't mean they had anything to do with what happened to their mom and dad. Nor does the 'who had the most to gain.' People kill for many motives even absolutely ridiculous and trivial ones but even those motives are enough in the mind of the killer. Until the motive is known there isn't evidence to support the ones who financially gained the most are the suspects.

Wealthy people have even been murdered by a complete stranger. Their children, of course, and rightfully so were given all the assets the wealthy parent/s had even though they had nothing to do with them being murdered. All that means is the wishes of the parents were carried out in case something should happened to them.

Sorry for the very long post. I don't get to come here as often as I would like to post. So I have to do them all in one! :D

IMO

<BBM for Focus>
Thanx for commenting, oceanblueeyes.. Have you ever sleuthed a case where all the signs and indicators pointed to a well planned and meticulously executed crime such as the Shirley and Russel Dermond murders? What is your take on Sheriff Sills' refusal to utilize the tremendous investigative resources, including the elite special agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigations? Are you aware that this is only the second time in almost two decades that SS has left the GBI out of the loop in a high profile investigation? Why would he squander such a valuable investigative resource in a case that appears to be growing colder with each passing day?
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ANGELS & DEMONS by Thomas French
Chaper 1 Sunset

One year had gone by since the murders, and then another, and now the investigators were deep into a third. They were working day and night, working weekends, putting off vacations, losing weight, gaining weight, growing pale and pasty and haggard, waking at
3 a.m. with a jolt and scratching notes on pads beside their beds.

Their sergeant did not know if they would ever find the answer. As far as he was concerned, the case was not even in their hands.

Ultimately, he believed, it was up to God whether they made an arrest.

A born-again Christian, the sergeant carried a Bible in his briefcase. He had no doubt that both heaven and hell were real. He saw good and evil not as theoretical or philosophical concepts, but as absolute realities walking upright through the world. He believed in the forces of light and darkness. He believed in demonic possession. He took it as a matter of fact that Satan and his cohorts currently reigned over the Earth.

"I believe there are demons all around us," he would say, "just as I believe there are angels all around us."

And when he looked at the evidence from the case before them now, studied the photos of the bodies and the ropes and the concrete blocks, the sergeant had no doubt that he and the other investigators were pursuing someone driven by Satanic forces.

Of course demons were real. They were hunting one now.
 
  • #327
... What is your take on Sheriff Sills' refusal to utilize the tremendous investigative resources, including the elite special agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigations? Are you aware that this is only the second time in almost two decades that SS has left the GBI out of the loop in a high profile investigation? Why would he squander such a valuable investigative resource in a case that appears to be growing colder with each passing day?

(I'm not oceanblueeyes but) I followed this case from the start, certain it would be resolved pretty quickly. As soon as I read Sills refused outside help from true professionals, GBI etc.. I thought it would never be solved. I think he messed up. He should have asked for and accepted any and all help he could get, including asking on social media for any witnesses, personal cctv etc.
Well he didn't. And I think he ruined the chance for Mr and Mrs Dermond to ever get justice.
 
  • #328
Isn't there a way for the family to supersede Sills and get another investigating agency in there? Or is it too late? I don't know how things work in Georgia, but a well placed phone call would work wonders...
 
  • #329
Thanx for commenting, oceanblueeyes.. Have you ever sleuthed a case where all the signs and indicators pointed to a well planned and meticulously executed crime such as the Shirley and Russel Dermond murders? What is your take on Sheriff Sills' refusal to utilize the tremendous investigative resources, including the elite special agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigations? Are you aware that this is only the second time in almost two decades that SS has left the GBI out of the loop in a high profile investigation? Why would he squander such a valuable investigative resource in a case that appears to be growing colder with each passing day?

(Snipped by me for space)
BBM

Hey my friend,
I'm not oceanblueeyes but wanted to jump in.
What do you consider is a well planned and meticulously executed crime?
One that leaves no clues? One that has no suspects? One that can't or hasn't been solved yet? What differentiates this case from the many unsolved murders all over the country?

Would you consider the 1997 unsolved kidnapping/murder of Levi Frady in GA as one? I suspect it was done by Gary Michael Hilton, but nothing has come of that theory.
What about the double kidnapping/murder of Lyric and Elizabeth in Iowa?
What about the disappearances of Adji Desir, Haleigh Cummings, Hassani Campbell or even the MH370? No clues, no witnesses, no suspects.

It took 40 years to solve the disappearance/murder of the Lyon sisters in 1975.
It took about 20 years to connect and convict the Green River Killer Gary Ridgway.
The shooting deaths of Skyla and Taylor case in OK went cold until bullet shells from another murder linked Kevin Sweat, a stranger to the girls.

Most crimes are one break or one clue away from being solved.
Maybe that's just all we need in the Dermond case.
 
  • #330
Its really hard to say. Unfortunately, crimes are committed even in broad daylight on a busy street and the case is never solved because no one saw or heard a thing. And the police were left with a case that had no evidence or very little. There are plenty of cases where victims were found murdered in their home and LE doesn't have evidence to show them who did it. These type of cases haunt LE and I am sure this one does for Sills as well.

The Dermond property was a perfect place to commit a murder with it having two avenues to come or leave plus it sat way on the backside of the subdivion. Really I would think the only ones that were in that area much would have been someone coming to see them or their neighbors or maybe the landscapers who cut the grass. The problem though these homes don't sit real close together so it was rather isolated. I believe I remember there is a thicket of trees that obstructs the home from being seen by the neighbors. Now those that fish may come into that slew from time to time but I would say the overall property was probably pretty quiet with no one around much except an occasional fisherman and those who lived close by them.

The land/boat dock gave the murderer/s more options. Their home was very open from the front side and the backside on the lake. People passing by on a boat would easily know their layout of the land overall property and adjoining properties. They would even be able to know the layout of the home to get in and out choosing the one that would be less seen. They could assess all of that before even stepping on land.

Since one of the neighbors who was outside saw a man in the back the property the day it happened its my opinion they used a boat and took Shirley with them. They didn't pull it up where it could be seen from the home but I think they turned a John boat were it was parallel the seawall making it unseen by the Dermonds.

I cant remember all facets of this case but I don't think they ever narrowed down the exact time when the murders happened. So the perp, and I do think it is one lone perp, who used Shirley to get control of her husband. He/she/they ruled and controlled Shirley through fear and intimidation. I think they threatened to kill Russ if she didn't do as they demanded which imo it meant being tied up. Once tied up and bound they killed Russ and forced her to go down to the boat dock and leave with them. I don't think she was killed at the home. I think whoever this was had her hands tied and mouth gagged and then they proceeded to bludgeon her to death and after dropped her body in the deep part of the water thinking it would stay hidden.

Over the years as disheartening as it gets it seems so many times the luck is on the side of the killer/s. That is why so many cases including this one don't get solved right away. When there isn't any familiar link between the victim/s and suspect its a harder case to solve.

I think murders like this are a combination of luck and having the right opportunity and seizing upon it when it comes along.

There have been many murders even gruesome ones where the suspect was able to pull off the heinous crime of someone they didn't even know and in some cases had never even been to the particular home of the victim/s involved. Yet, they were able to make all the dominoes fall into place...sight unseen and leaving no evidence or not enough evidence behind.

The Dermond couple may not even been the targets. It could be a home invasion that went wrong when they found them both on the property. I do agree with Sills about taking the head. We have seen other decapitations done even by killers who didn't know the victim. Some killers just love the thrill of being able to do something so horrific and gruesome. In some cases desecrating a body is part of the thrill. They don't have to decapitate both victims. I think why they decapitated Russ' head was trying to slow down the police investigation. And it worked. LE spent most of the time at first at the crime scene they had doing the thorough forensic evaluation concerning Russ since his torso was left there. They also may have thought by removing Russ' head with no Shirley to be found anywhere (at the time) that it would make LE think this may implicate her in the murder of her husband. And for awhile until Shirley was found Sills did include her as a possibility. Unfortunately we have seen much older men and women murder their spouse in the later years.:(

So its really not a whole lot of difference in this case and another case where the police lacked evidence to even begin to show them who did it. I remember when Sarah Walker was bludgeoned, stabbed, beaten and murdered LE was sure she was targeted by someone she knew. They said the same thing. How did the suspect know she would be where she was? How would they know she would be alone? ETC. No one saw anyone around the model home. In the end the suspect didn't know anything before going in. He saw her go from her car into the model home. He saw no one else around and he walked in and cold bloodedly murdered a woman who was a complete stranger to him.

We see often where police say they just don't have the evidence they need to solve a particular case one way or another. So a lot of murder cases remained unsolved due to the lack of evidence. I think this is one of those cases.

I don't think this was a hit. In fact other than the brother who was murdered when he was buying drugs, I don't think any of these family members are anything but good people who had devoted parents they knew loved them. I certainly don't think the elderly couple was connected to the Mafia and Sills had to shake his head at that theory it was so unreasonable. Me too.

Just bouncing off your post dancin.....:)

People theorize quite often that there must be family involvement due to them inheriting a large amount of assets from parents who were murdered. While I understand that way of thinking it does not always hold weight. Sadly, people of wealth have been murdered by an acquaintance, neighbor, coworker,stranger, etc. So even though the Dermond children inherited their parents assets doesn't mean they had anything to do with what happened to their mom and dad. Nor does the 'who had the most to gain.' People kill for many motives even absolutely ridiculous and trivial ones but even those motives are enough in the mind of the killer. Until the motive is known there isn't evidence to support the ones who financially gained the most are the suspects.

Wealthy people have even been murdered by a complete stranger. Their children, of course, and rightfully so were given all the assets the wealthy parent/s had even though they had nothing to do with them being murdered. All that means is the wishes of the parents were carried out in case something should happened to them.

Sorry for the very long post. I don't get to come here as often as I would like to post. So I have to do them all in one! :D

IMO
Thanks for the response, I agree but my bolded portion of your statement, pretty much sums it up, whether family, friends or strangers, there is nothing to go on apparently until someone out there gets turned in or caught in another crime, if ever.

I would hope the children have and are inquring about the case often, in the beginning they were pretty uninvolved if I recollect. Maybe a little late for calling in second and third opinions IDK

But I too, like many here, go back and forth on my theories, a few stay strong in my mind and never waiver, however
 
  • #331
(Snipped by me for space)
BBM

Hey my friend,
I'm not oceanblueeyes but wanted to jump in.
What do you consider is a well planned and meticulously executed crime?
One that leaves no clues? One that has no suspects? One that can't or hasn't been solved yet? What differentiates this case from the many unsolved murders all over the country?

Would you consider the 1997 unsolved kidnapping/murder of Levi Frady in GA as one? I suspect it was done by Gary Michael Hilton, but nothing has come of that theory.
What about the double kidnapping/murder of Lyric and Elizabeth in Iowa?
What about the disappearances of Adji Desir, Haleigh Cummings, Hassani Campbell or even the MH370? No clues, no witnesses, no suspects.

It took 40 years to solve the disappearance/murder of the Lyon sisters in 1975.
It took about 20 years to connect and convict the Green River Killer Gary Ridgway.
The shooting deaths of Skyla and Taylor case in OK went cold until bullet shells from another murder linked Kevin Sweat, a stranger to the girls.

Most crimes are one break or one clue away from being solved.
Maybe that's just all we need in the Dermond case.

I suppose some get lucky in their crimes but in this case, I think there has been a lot discussed that seemed oh so coincidental or very very well thought out; moon phase or lack thereof, quiet time of year on the lake, drop point of Mrs D, entrance security, home security (IIRC), location of home, dock in cove on water, elderly couple, vacant lots all around, Derby party weekend...........and now seeing all this in writing SEEMS it must be someone the D's knew , already knowing most of this, just had to plan the drop, the time of year and insure complete darkness, as I just believe they took her at night

JMO

oh, sorry, just jumped in, I'm not oceanblueeyes or foxfire, lol
 
  • #332
I found out today from a dependable and reliable source; local newspaper editor, that the Department of Natural Resources sent a team to lake oconee. A group that is skilled at searching for items on lake bottoms.
This group was in a nearby county assisting in a search of abandoned wells for Justin Gaines, who has been missing since 11/2007 after leaving a Gwinnett Co., GA nightclub; Wild Bills'..
Not sure what is up. Any locals notice any lake oconee search activity yesterday..

New search launched for missing teen Justin Gaines <Walton County, GA>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?71365-GA-Justin-Gaines-19-Duluth-2-Nov-2007/page16

Well searches complete, no sign of Justin Gaines
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...ches-complete-no-sign-justin-gaines/71653678/
 
  • #333
We don't know that much about the Dermonds finances although I know Sheriff Sills was investigating the finances of the family. I'm of the thought that all of the Dermond children seemed to be doing fine on their own, except Mark and he was murdered, and maybe Mr. and Mrs. D were spending the inheritance money. I'm having a hard time seeing money as the motive here.
 
  • #334
  • #335
I found out today from a dependable and reliable source; local newspaper editor, that the Department of Natural Resources sent a team to lake oconee. A group that is skilled at searching for items on lake bottoms.
This group was in a nearby county assisting in a search of abandoned wells for Justin Gaines, who has been missing since 11/2007 after leaving a Gwinnett Co., GA nightclub; Wild Bills'..
Not sure what is up. Any locals notice any lake oconee search activity yesterday..

New search launched for missing teen Justin Gaines <Walton County, GA>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?71365-GA-Justin-Gaines-19-Duluth-2-Nov-2007/page16

Well searches complete, no sign of Justin Gaines
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...ches-complete-no-sign-justin-gaines/71653678/

Must've been a secret, haven't heard or seen anything by way of rumor, question or news, but I'm on Sinclair Side tho some Oconeeans and Sinclairites do cross paths
 
  • #336
Sills said he will do whatever it takes to crack the case.

&#8220;If you're in Fargo, North Dakota, but don't think I won't go to Fargo, North Dakota. I&#8217;ll go wherever it takes, within the limits of the law.&#8221;

&#8220;Because somebody out there, somebody out there has got a mind and knows who did this. That's the one I want. That's the one I want to talk to.&#8221;

Sills said there is a $60,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the suspect in this case. <snipped>
http://www.wgxa.tv/news/local/A-Yea...by-Dermond-Murders-302427511.html#commentform
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$60,000.00 reward in the Dermond murders case, yet no tips leading to arrests after over 16 months. Imo, this speaks volumes; this indicates that the person/s responsible for this heinous crime has a very strict code of silence..
 
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Man with knife nabbed in Lake Oconee neighborhood where unsolved Dermond slayings happened

A man with a “big knife” was caught earlier this week, puncturing tires on nearly two dozen cars in an exclusive Putnam County neighborhood where an elderly couple was slain last year, authorities said Friday....

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Sheriff Howard Sills said deputies were called to the neighborhood about 3 a.m. Wednesday because a man with a knife was slashing tires. The gated community there east of Ga. 44 lies about a dozen miles northeast of Eatonton....

“There appears to be no connection with the Dermond murders at this time,” Sills said of Glenn. “But obviously here we have a man with a criminal record running around with a knife. Obviously we’re gonna look into his background.”

Sills added, “This is really the first crime we’ve had in (Great Waters) since the Dermond murders.” ...

more at: http://www.macon.com/news/local/article36529722.html
 
  • #338
I found out today from a dependable and reliable source; local newspaper editor, that the Department of Natural Resources sent a team to lake oconee. A group that is skilled at searching for items on lake bottoms.
This group was in a nearby county assisting in a search of abandoned wells for Justin Gaines, who has been missing since 11/2007 after leaving a Gwinnett Co., GA nightclub; Wild Bills'..
Not sure what is up. Any locals notice any lake oconee search activity yesterday..

New search launched for missing teen Justin Gaines <Walton County, GA>
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?71365-GA-Justin-Gaines-19-Duluth-2-Nov-2007/page16

Well searches complete, no sign of Justin Gaines
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...ches-complete-no-sign-justin-gaines/71653678/

Hope something comes out of this search. I know you will keep us posted. Thanks for this glimmer of hope!
 
  • #339

Strange looking fellow. Probably the drugs.

&#8220;He&#8217;s got prior incidents with knives,&#8221; Sills said. &#8220;He&#8217;s a knife guy, but he&#8217;s a nutjob. His daddy says he&#8217;s insane, but he&#8217;s never been adjudicated as unfit to stand trial.&#8221;

A man who lives in Great Waters, a 600-parcel compound with a Jack Nicklaus golf course, called 911 after his barking dog woke him about 3 a.m.

&#8220;He gets up ... looks outside and sees this guy clad only in a pair of red shorts with a big knife in his hands,&#8221; Sills said.
 
  • #340
In this article it says he has problems with alcohol.
The knife welding "Glenn had moved in with his father, who lives less than a mile away from the Dermonds’ home, after his release from prison in July, Sills said. He has served two stints in prison for battery and aggravated assault."

Though nothing links Ryan Oliver Glenn, 34, to the deaths of Russell and Shirley Dermond, Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills said there’s several questions still unanswered, namely, his whereabouts on the day of the fatal stabbings.


http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/knife-wielding-man-arrested-in-neighborhood-where-/nnnzY/


He could have been running around with the knife and stumbled on the Dermonds, he sounds wacky enough for the murders.
 
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