GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[Deleted member 162919]

I've never heard that, or didn't remember it.... He did fight for his life, had bruised and bloody hands, I am thinking part of the actual killing, not torture or we weren't told of other markings on their person that might indicate such

It was on the PH podcast i'll try to find it. If this is true then this was definitely rage which means it was someone close to them

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Just thinking about this horrible murder. I'm thinking this all started out in the house so maybe someone got into the garage and SD heard a noise and went to check it out. When she opened the door to the garage she was grabbed and screamed, RD hears the scream and comes down to see if SD had fallen or something. The killers already have knocked SD out or maybe even killed her, they grab RD and throw him next to SD where he's holding onto her ( her hair in his fingernails) SD not moving they shoot RD and drag him away from SD to behead him and take SD out of the garage and bring her to the boat ( they could have waited hours until dusk to do this but had to separate them to behead him) Once RD's head was removed they left the house with his head in a bag, headed for the boat and along their travels they got rid of her body and his head. Possibly they took his head and removed the bullet and destroyed his head after they dumped SD in the lake.

Things I think are important to know.

1 Were the towels used belong to the Dermonds ? the kids should know this
2. When and who was the last person to call the house and speak to someone? This is very important for establishing a timeline
3. Were there any footprints found in the garage? Could tell possible height of the murderers or the amount of people there. This might be impossible to establish since i'm sure they contaminated the crime scene with multiple officers going into the garage before they dusted for prints. No garage is that clean to where there is no dust on the floors.

I don't know maybe none of this makes sense i'm curious to hear comments and opinions as to how this went down

 

[jonnyrock]

I still struggle to accept that this double homicide had a financial gain motive. Nothing was taken! There were a Lincoln and a Lexus in the garage, jewelry, cash and credit cards, a purported whiskey collection, electronics and so on and so forth. And it would be redundant to point out how distribution of estate proceeds would have been delayed upwards of a calendar year (thank you IRS!). No one stood to garner any immediate financial gain. So what does that leave us? Shaking our collective heads because we're back to the question who brutally murders an elderly couple and why? I will say this: if a financial motive exists then there must have been previous attempts to procure money that were rebuffed, and the matter escalated. But don't you think the Dermonds would have revealed this to someone?

 

[southernmimi]

I think the Dermonds would have kept any information about a close friend or relative very private. Many people of that age and generation didn't share personal information with others. The rage is what really horrifies me.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

BD said he spoke to his father on Thursday and was the last time he spoke to him before his death

don't know about towels, curious too!

SS didn't think anything was compromised, but we don't know that do we? HOw can he know, everyone was all over that house and garage before investigation began

I had wondered if she was up early, maybe on the upper patio having coffee that morning before or at sunrise

Like you I wondered if RD heard her and went to see if she was ok

There is no evidence the garage was THE CRIME SCENE but definitely was where the beheading occurred.

IF she was tortured or beaten, you say she

my GOD< if they killed either one of them at another location and brought them back

helk yeah!! IT was NOT drugs, or thrill kill...…….someone KNEW THEM WELL

very very very meticulously planned!!

confused the WHOLE investigation, someone did NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT

who would want that so badly and be in their right mind to prevent detection with all this confusion and work?!?

I still struggle to accept that this double homicide had a financial gain motive. Nothing was taken! There were a Lincoln and a Lexus in the garage, jewelry, cash and credit cards, a purported whiskey collection, electronics and so on and so forth. And it would be redundant to point out how distribution of estate proceeds would have been delayed upwards of a calendar year (thank you IRS!). No one stood to garner any immediate financial gain. So what does that leave us? Shaking our collective heads because we're back to the question who brutally murders an elderly couple and why? I will say this: if a financial motive exists then there must have been previous attempts to procure money that were rebuffed, and the matter escalated. But don't you think the Dermonds would have revealed this to someone?

Just thinking about this horrible murder. I'm thinking this all started out in the house so maybe someone got into the garage and SD heard a noise and went to check it out. When she opened the door to the garage she was grabbed and screamed, RD hears the scream and comes down to see if SD had fallen or something. The killers already have knocked SD out or maybe even killed her, they grab RD and throw him next to SD where he's holding onto her ( her hair in his fingernails) SD not moving they shoot RD and drag him away from SD to behead him and take SD out of the garage and bring her to the boat ( they could have waited hours until dusk to do this but had to separate them to behead him) Once RD's head was removed they left the house with his head in a bag, headed for the boat and along their travels they got rid of her body and his head. Possibly they took his head and removed the bullet and destroyed his head after they dumped SD in the lake.

Things I think are important to know.

1 Were the towels used belong to the Dermonds ? the kids should know this
2. When and who was the last person to call the house and speak to someone? This is very important for establishing a timeline
3. Were there any footprints found in the garage? Could tell possible height of the murderers or the amount of people there. This might be impossible to establish since i'm sure they contaminated the crime scene with multiple officers going into the garage before they dusted for prints. No garage is that clean to where there is no dust on the floors.

I don't know maybe none of this makes sense i'm curious to hear comments and opinions as to how this went down

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I didn't think that was plausible, too much work but not too m uch work for someone who doesn't want and intends not to be caught! WOW, this as well as the beheading and hauling of SD, confused the HECK out of this whole case, nothing BUT confusion. NOW to add that the killings occurred elsewhere, just like......

if you kill them in one location, leave clothes in another location and the body in another, the killer can go undetected~ TED BUNDY

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

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I didn't think that was plausible, too much work but not too m uch work for someone who doesn't want and intends not to be caught! WOW, this as well as the beheading and hauling of SD, confused the HECK out of this whole case, nothing BUT confusion. NOW to add that the killings occurred elsewhere, just like......

if you kill them in one location, leave clothes in another location and the body in another, the killer can go undetected~ TED BUNDY

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

It was on the PH podcast i'll try to find it. If this is true then this was definitely rage which means it was someone close to them

Hmm, I hate to keep bringing up Ted Bundy but he bludgeoned folks all the time, with a tire iron...….so those are 2 similarities in this case...…….not to mention, how the murder happened in an unknown location, bodies and parts were scattered across the town and head no one knows, very like Ted Bundy stated in the video I posted above, kidnap them from one location, kill in another, drop clothes in another and body in another........confusion...……..like this one...…..so IDK but if I lived there, Id be concerned

Listening to Podcast now

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

19:35 SD hit 2 or MORE times in the head with a blunt object like a hammer.....Had to be blood spatter though, bludgeoned people leave a lot of blood with 3 or more hits like this with tire irons......so WHERE was this blood spatter? Did it rain that weekend? I cant recall, would it wash away? Cadaver wont detect just blood but can trace her scent
Audioboom / The Lake Oconee Murders : Part 1

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Maurice Godwin, on the Sworn podcast closing statement audio said, "someone they knew and they came to behead" so in THAT case, it was NOT ballistics......not shock value, not a trophy...…..it was personal, ultimate retribution or revenge, they MEANT it......and said it was a criminal, no conscious, and there will be no phone call, these people do NOT talk....they felt comfortable in the area or house, whether they have ben there before, if its a criminal they are used to be in others homes illegally, this was drawn out on paper, planned and pulled it off, did everything they meant to do

not random, personal revenge
@ 15:25

Audioboom / Closing Statements : The Lake Oconee Murders

It was on the PH podcast i'll try to find it. If this is true then this was definitely rage which means it was someone close to them

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hockeyguy33...…multiple deep blows

19:26 and 23:14

Audioboom / The Lake Oconee Murders : Part 2

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Hockeyguy33...…multiple deep blows

19:26 and 23:14

Audioboom / The Lake Oconee Murders : Part 2

I knew I heard it on one of those podcasts. This was clearly rage

 

[kay74]

They didn't get their money. Maybe they were refused because the D's knew it would be for drugs. JMO

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

They didn't get their money. Maybe they were refused because the D's knew it would be for drugs. JMO

I doubt I'd be a martyr at gunpoint over the possibility that my assailant would be using drugs......we don't know who gained actually, someone mustve or it was a just a thrill kill and one who went to a LOT Of planning and desperate measures to escape detection by hauling a body and a head away and hiding RD in the garage and staunching the flow of blood so he'd also go undetected and to gain that window of 48 hr opportunity......

 

[kirkassoc]

19:35 SD hit 2 or MORE times in the head with a blunt object like a hammer.....Had to be blood spatter though, bludgeoned people leave a lot of blood with 3 or more hits like this with tire irons......so WHERE was this blood spatter? Did it raihn that weekend? I cant recall, would it wash away? Cadaver wont detect just blood but can trace her scent
Audioboom / The Lake Oconee Murders : Part 1

In JonBenet Ramsey case, she had a HORRIFIC crack which was only discovered during autopsy. I don't think all head wounds bleed profusely? They could have also made her walk to the boat and bludgeoned her afterwards? I would also think at 87 years old, her bones were more fragile?

I would NOT like living in that area either!

 

[kirkassoc]

I doubt I'd be a martyr at gunpoint over the possibility that my assailant would be using drugs......we don't know who gained actually, someone mustve or it was a just a thrill kill and one who went to a LOT Of planning and desperate measures to escape detection by hauling a body and a head away and hiding RD in the garage and staunching the flow of blood so he'd also go undetected and to gain that window of 48 hr opportunity......

I would imagine that if ANYONE hired these murderers to do this horrific crime, they would not hesitate to fork over whatever they promised them to commit it! I wonder if there was a middle man?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

In JonBenet Ramsey case, she had a HORRIFIC crack which was only discovered during autopsy. I don't think all head wounds bleed profusely? They could have also made her walk to the boat and bludgeoned her afterwards? I would also think at 87 years old, her bones were more fragile?

I would NOT like living in that area either!

That's what I kept trying to understand, if all bludgeonings or knocks in the head would produce blood all over, I had thought early on like you, she was more fragile

and of course if outside, if there was blood......no traces

I just cannot put together a scenario on how this all played out!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I would imagine that if ANYONE hired these murderers to do this horrific crime, they would not hesitate to fork over whatever they promised them to commit it! I wonder if there was a middle man?

OH you know they did, probably half up front or no deal...……..who knows but no way on this earth would I NOT pay up in fear theyd do this to me too! Jeepers...…..horrific...…..the only person that would have HIRED This to be done would be those who couldn't do it personally themselves and who gained from their deaths

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

In JonBenet Ramsey case, she had a HORRIFIC crack which was only discovered during autopsy. I don't think all head wounds bleed profusely? They could have also made her walk to the boat and bludgeoned her afterwards? I would also think at 87 years old, her bones were more fragile?

I would NOT like living in that area either!

and the autopsy report according to media was that she had multiple blows to the skull with a hammer like object (crowbar?Tire iron?hammer?) so if it was endless blows like bundy did, then blood would be everywhere, 3 blows, maybe not so much if any blood