GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

NObody knows, was that the one about the waffle house Hockeyguy? I rmember that neighbors surveillance tapes didn't show anyone and the cameras were all pointing away from the Dermonds property or maybe directly on the other owners property …...but I had TOTALLY FORGOTTEN someone went to the waffle house where the Dermonds were that week, and was asking about surveillance cameras

whatever happened to the video that was sent to the fbi? SS said they didn't want to open the hard drive so they sent it to the feds

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Maybe... but I know a lot of people who would open the door to someone - anyone - who was knocking during daylight hours and didn't appear overtly threatening.
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All just MOO.

about them opening the door to someone they knew was alleged....due to the fact there was no forced entry, no disturbances inside the home...…..it was peaceful ..but then it was too late

 

[Deleted member 162919]

NObody knows, was that the one about the waffle house Hockeyguy? I rmember that neighbors surveillance tapes didn't show anyone and the cameras were all pointing away from the Dermonds property or maybe directly on the other owners property …...but I had TOTALLY FORGOTTEN someone went to the waffle house where the Dermonds were that week, and was asking about surveillance cameras

Not sure if it was the waffle house I don't think SS ever mentioned where it came from but I assumed it was in the neighborhood

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

There was neighborhood surveillance and someone went to the waffle house tyring to retrive their footage...…….I'll try to find the story if I can, should be on WS somewhere and I remember something about not wanting to destroy the footage or something so was turning it over to FBI...…….don't recall we ever heard anything on that but the neighbors we did, none of those showed anything

Not sure if it was the waffle house I don't think SS ever mentioned where it came from but I assumed it was in the neighborhood

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Not sure if it was the waffle house I don't think SS ever mentioned where it came from but I assumed it was in the neighborhood

So a random guy goes in to Huddle House and asks to see their surveillance videos
...never heard any more but not waffle house...…….still digging

 

[Tripod]

What made you think that one of the perps may have been female? (A very interesting thought.)

I'd had a thought that perhaps one of the perps wasn't as strong as the other, and could barely help with Mrs. D, let alone Mr. D.'s body. Thus, taking evidence with the head and not the rest of him. Another thought was that maybe one of the perps, at least, had a softer spot for Mrs. D. Why would I think that? Not any one thing, but she didn't have her head cut off. I've also always wondered if one perp killed Mr. D and the other perp hit the Mrs. over the head. I still think it was probably a gun shot for Mr. D., but why not for Mrs. D.? Other things are just some gut feelings going way back. I DO know if either perp knew either of the D's, and I think one or both did, I sure wouldn't want them to have a soft spot for me- pure, pure evil, whoever they are.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

It was discussed very early on that one could have been a woman.....I don't put anything past anyone

Here is what we can glean from this crime and the WHO dunnit:

Nothing appeared to be stolen
Nothing appeared to be disturbed in the home
Spic and span clean you could eat off the floor so no ransacking going on
No forced entry


According to FBI profiling, the amount of time a criminal spends at the crime scene is an indication of their familiarity of the crime location (or in this case beheading)

unlike a gunshot only assassination, It seems that with the time spent in the garage of the victims home and dropping SD by boat in a secluded but open location surrounded by well known fishing spots and coves indicates

The perps were familiar with the home and quite familiar with the lake (seeing how they dropped her in a grove of tree stumps

All the above indicates the D's knew the perpetrators in some fashion
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The killers possibly walk among the residents of Lake Oconee.....or they may not live in that area but may have frequented that home and lake

Are there other factors that would indicate that the perps knew the Dermonds?

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Yet the podcast says the opposite.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Interesting article around the 1 year anniversary and the mention of a person of interest and the interview where the female broke down during the interview after SS found she wasn't truthful about something and took a harder tone. SS also mentions he DOES have evidence.

Person of interest identified in murder, beheading of elderly...

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Well they do say they felt the D's knew their killer/s...….to some degree...….I guess if they lived in the area they don't want anything linked back to them being they live in such close proximity, scared they'd be questioned if they live nearby and/or knew the D's, as happened, everyone LE could, was questioned...or if they visit the D's often

…but the blue/gray mesh bag, the red blocks, parachute cord......…could have been ID'd by someone who knew them if they'd known what the public was supposed to be looking for at the time since they could be living on the lake, who knows

but who would have these items on hand? What do they go with , used for? Reasons to have them?

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Yet the podcast says the opposite.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

re-interviewed a close relative.

How close I wonder? did the D"s even have any other relatives besides their kids and families and who would know about an ex employee but their kids?

and last year in the podcast SS never said he had a POI nor that he had interviewed the man on the lawn (suspect)

recently also said he had no forensics etc

who is this POI he was talking about? was it the female he was referring to as the POI?

all I know is that he more than likely has interviewed the killers or somone who knows the killers or reasons for murder

Interesting article around the 1 year anniversary and the mention of a person of interest and the interview where the female broke down during the interview after SS found she wasn't truthful about something and took a harder tone. SS also mentions he DOES have evidence.

Person of interest identified in murder, beheading of elderly...

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Here's something I have been thinking about. SS says he has gone through all cell tower records for texts and calls well he missed something or didn't search a wide enough area cell phones sometimes get a tower further away due to traffic on the tower so while he might have check the towers in his county the cell phone could have went off another tower in a nearby county. There is no way the killers did this without communicating with each other and if SS was smart enough to check a wide area of towers and didn't find an odd # then that would tell me it's someone in the neighborhood who did this.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Here's another thought and this is about the beheading. Beheading someone is an act of rage and not to hide evidence because nobody in their right mind would use a gun registered to them to kill someone so taking the head to hide evidence is almost entirely ruled out. Except unless the gun used was an issued gun IE police,security, military etc.

If you were going to kill someone would you use a gun registered to you?

After reading one of the links I posted last night i'm beginning to rethink the theory I originally had about RD being the main victim . I was reading and came across someone saying SD's head was bashed in , this wasn't just a few hits on the head these were hits of anger if her head was bashed in. It wouldn't take much to kill an 87 year old lady even if she was strong for her age. It was the only time I heard a description of the condition of her body when it was found and it made me rethink this case. Who would have that kind of rage against an elderly couple? Who would have that kind of rage against this elderly couple and know the area ( lake, house ) ..

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Here's another thought and this is about the beheading. Beheading someone is an act of rage and not to hide evidence because nobody in their right mind would use a gun registered to them to kill someone so taking the head to hide evidence is almost entirely ruled out. Except unless the gun used was an issued gun IE police,security, military etc.

If you were going to kill someone would you use a gun registered to you?

After reading one of the links I posted last night i'm beginning to rethink the theory I originally had about RD being the main victim . I was reading and came across someone saying SD's head was bashed in , this wasn't just a few hits on the head these were hits of anger if her head was bashed in. It wouldn't take much to kill an 87 year old lady even if she was strong for her age. It was the only time I heard a description of the condition of her body when it was found and it made me rethink this case. Who would have that kind of rage against an elderly couple? Who would have that kind of rage against this elderly couple and know the area ( lake, house ) ..

 

[Tripod]

Here's another thought and this is about the beheading. Beheading someone is an act of rage and not to hide evidence because nobody in their right mind would use a gun registered to them to kill someone so taking the head to hide evidence is almost entirely ruled out. Except unless the gun used was an issued gun IE police,security, military etc.

If you were going to kill someone would you use a gun registered to you?

After reading one of the links I posted last night i'm beginning to rethink the theory I originally had about RD being the main victim . I was reading and came across someone saying SD's head was bashed in , this wasn't just a few hits on the head these were hits of anger if her head was bashed in. It wouldn't take much to kill an 87 year old lady even if she was strong for her age. It was the only time I heard a description of the condition of her body when it was found and it made me rethink this case. Who would have that kind of rage against an elderly couple? Who would have that kind of rage against this elderly couple and know the area ( lake, house ) ..

Quite a few peeps have handguns that might not be registered to themselves, or at least, access to one. If by chance the perp used a gun that WAS licensed to him/herself, well, if you dispose of the evidence and it's not found...

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Now who in the area would want to harm them?

Here's something I have been thinking about. SS says he has gone through all cell tower records for texts and calls well he missed something or didn't search a wide enough area cell phones sometimes get a tower further away due to traffic on the tower so while he might have check the towers in his county the cell phone could have went off another tower in a nearby county. There is no way the killers did this without communicating with each other and if SS was smart enough to check a wide area of towers and didn't find an odd # then that would tell me it's someone in the neighborhood who did this.

Here's another thought and this is about the beheading. Beheading someone is an act of rage and not to hide evidence because nobody in their right mind would use a gun registered to them to kill someone so taking the head to hide evidence is almost entirely ruled out. Except unless the gun used was an issued gun IE police,security, military etc.

If you were going to kill someone would you use a gun registered to you?

After reading one of the links I posted last night i'm beginning to rethink the theory I originally had about RD being the main victim . I was reading and came across someone saying SD's head was bashed in , this wasn't just a few hits on the head these were hits of anger if her head was bashed in. It wouldn't take much to kill an 87 year old lady even if she was strong for her age. It was the only time I heard a description of the condition of her body when it was found and it made me rethink this case. Who would have that kind of rage against an elderly couple? Who would have that kind of rage against this elderly couple and know the area ( lake, house ) ..

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Not in this crime, apparently planned, mostly anway, not that something sudden didn't occur as well...…...unplanned with your own gun usually are sudden passion crimes......but no, only Tex Mciver uses his registered gun to intentionally kill his wife

Still bothers me that man was from the area

When they said to hide evidence, I was thinking mostly the type of bullet used since if they knew the D's, it could be traced back to their gun type

It was stated early on that SD was hit in the head, I called it bludgeoned, since it was enough to kill her

I always thought they were both bludgeoned, since there was no head and she was......but then the GSR, tho very minute IIRC....WHY is that there? There was no or very little blood spatter, don't remember that it was on the cars...….so that indicates NO gunshot to the head, inside the garage anyway

So yeah....WHO WOULD have such rage against them? No one

Apparently these that did, are crazy beyond words...…...even if RD was a hardass but he was too old for that now.....probably more easy going at 88, it happens as we age dontcha know? LOL

Here's another thought and this is about the beheading. Beheading someone is an act of rage and not to hide evidence because nobody in their right mind would use a gun registered to them to kill someone so taking the head to hide evidence is almost entirely ruled out. Except unless the gun used was an issued gun IE police,security, military etc.

If you were going to kill someone would you use a gun registered to you?

After reading one of the links I posted last night i'm beginning to rethink the theory I originally had about RD being the main victim . I was reading and came across someone saying SD's head was bashed in , this wasn't just a few hits on the head these were hits of anger if her head was bashed in. It wouldn't take much to kill an 87 year old lady even if she was strong for her age. It was the only time I heard a description of the condition of her body when it was found and it made me rethink this case. Who would have that kind of rage against an elderly couple? Who would have that kind of rage against this elderly couple and know the area ( lake, house ) ..

 

[southernmimi]

I've witnessed immediate and unexpected rage from someone who thought they were getting a "loan" then didn't.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I've witnessed immediate and unexpected rage from someone who thought they were getting a "loan" then didn't.

well maybe it was them, apparently there was no loan

and me too, just thinking RD may have been softer since his retirement, who did he need to piss off? IDK......just thinking

 

[southernmimi]

The Dermonds were old and couldn't have been involved in much that would make anyone angry enough to brutalize them in such a way. I don't buy the theory that someone waited decades to take revenge on them for a past indiscretion. To me, it all comes down to money and someone who was impatient.