GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

[dancinunderthemoon]

IT's gotta be some money laundering

 

[Razz]

IT's gotta be some money laundering

Yes, but not necessarily by the senior Dermonds. It is the only thing imo
that explains all the weirdness in this murder(s).

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Yes, but not necessarily by the senior Dermonds. It is the only thing imo
that explains all the weirdness in this murder(s).

Wasnt thinking RD, not recent years anyway, he could have in his younger years but i dont think he would have gotten out of it unless it was............passed down to the kids ........um WOW........but he sure owned quite a few of the franchises though, makes you wonder but either way, its seems quite obvious at times it's gotta be money laundering

People have to quit saying things arent possible

ANYTHING is possible..........but it would explain the hush hush seeming evasiveness

 

[TJtennispro]

I still think the kids are scared of someone. Maybe the reason the daughters ex husband had to have a child relay the message was because they were possibly told something sinister would happen if whatever they were after wasn’t forked over.

When it did thats scary.

The cameras not recording us probably a coincidence but the alarm being turned off two weeks prior isn’t.

By the end of the week you’ll see a directionally challenged tennis Pro navigate this path with ease.

I think I’m going jet ski route since then it will be easier on myself and I think the footage will be better for y’all.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I think it was overkill, no pun intended.........a little bit too much shock iykwim...........

Here is soemthing interesting I came on to post. I had assumed green county was all the way to the dam

IT IS NOT

So since SD was found IN Green county as I recall anyway, and the Green county sheriff turned her and the investigation over willingly to SS

Here is a map........Green stops about a mile before the dam and right above the Green county line, you can see a split in the river, the right leg, going north, is about where she was found..........the articles I have read over the years indicates this too

Google Maps

Not posting this to keep rehashing the location, I never realized that green county stopped short of the dam by a mile

Yeah will be glad to see that map, Ive been to several boat ramps, all around that lake, but not on it. Been all over Sinclair

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think it's great logical thought to think ALL things are possible when it comes to the Dermonds unsolved case or any case for that matter. Honing in on only one theory never solves cases for LE.

They solve cases when they look at all possible suspects, and do not have tunnel vision concentrating solely on only one possibility.

If money laundering was involved the FBI, and Sills would have uncovered that a long time ago. I've seen no evidence the murder victims nor their children are guilty of anything including money laundering. Has any family member been arrested for money laundering?

The FBI are the world's best experts in detecting money laundering of any kind.

Imo, it shows their family are not involved in the murders of their parents.

So its logical to look at all other possibilities which I'm sure the investigators continue to do.

The easiest cases of all to solve are those done by family members or someone known to the victims.

Even family members who hired hitmen are quickly linked back to each other. We see that often in many other cases shown on true crime channels. The link between the family member, and hired gun becomes known through the investigations.

Even those who have hired hitmen do not decapitate the head of the targeted.

However I have read that decapitation of murdered victims aren't as rare as I once thought. They are even being done by complete strangers to the victim now.

The FBI, and Sills have had years to investigate the parents, and family members, and have found nothing that shows their family members are involved. Imo

The hardest cases for all LE to solve is when the suspect or suspects had no link to the victims whatsoever.

Imo, this is the reason why this case remains unsolved. LE is looking at all other possibilities now, but when they can't find the unknown link to the suspect it will remain unsolved.

When there is no link to the victim/s there is nothing for them to link. That's why many cases remain unsolved.

Imo, they have long ruled out any family involvement, and continue to hope they can solve who the elusive unknown suspects truly are.

The only way they can get the break they need is if the murderer tells someone else what they have done, and the person told comes forward which does happen in other unsolved cases like this one.

I think if an arrest is ever made it will come as a total shock to some, and it will be someone totally unconnected to the victims who LE had never interviewed before nor were even aware of...

Jmho

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hey Ocean, long time!

I dont think SS has looked at the family, only the Dermond victims........Sadly what we see is not all there is, we still have missing pieces from LE and apparently they have missing pieces on their end as well

Definitley cant rule anything out though I tend towards one or another but gotta know anything is possible

I think it's great logical thought to think ALL things are possible when it comes to the Dermonds unsolved case or any case for that matter. Honing in on only one theory never solves cases for LE.

They solve cases when they look at all possible suspects, and do not have tunnel vision concentrating solely on only one possibility.

If money laundering was involved the FBI, and Sills would have uncovered that a long time ago. I've seen no evidence the murder victims nor their children are guilty of anything including money laundering. Has any family member been arrested for money laundering?

The FBI are the world's best experts in detecting money laundering of any kind.

Imo, it shows their family are not involved in the murders of their parents.

So its logical to look at all other possibilities which I'm sure the investigators continue to do.

The easiest cases of all to solve are those done by family members or someone known to the victims.

Even family members who hired hitmen are quickly linked back to each other. We see that often in many other cases shown on true crime channels. The link between the family member, and hired gun becomes known through the investigations.

Even those who have hired hitmen do not decapitate the head of the targeted.

However I have read that decapitation of murdered victims aren't as rare as I once thought. They are even being done by complete strangers to the victim now.

The FBI, and Sills have had years to investigate the parents, and family members, and have found nothing that shows their family members are involved. Imo

The hardest cases for all LE to solve is when the suspect or suspects had no link to the victims whatsoever.

Imo, this is the reason why this case remains unsolved. LE is looking at all other possibilities now, but when they can't find the unknown link to the suspect it will remain unsolved.

When there is no link to the victim/s there is nothing for them to link. That's why many cases remain unsolved.

Imo, they have long ruled out any family involvement, and continue to hope they can solve who the elusive unknown suspects truly are.

The only way they can get the break they need is if the murderer tells someone else what they have done, and the person told comes forward which does happen in other unsolved cases like this one.

I think if an arrest is ever made it will come as a total shock to some, and it will be someone totally unconnected to the victims who LE had never interviewed before nor were even aware of...

Jmho

 

[TJtennispro]

That map you just posted once again has the Green County line directly in line with where my friends saw the body being pulled out of the lake. If you go back to my posts with the marks the Green County line intersects with those. Your map skills usually help hammer my points home.

I think it was overkill, no pun intended.........a little bit too much shock iykwim...........

Here is soemthing interesting I came on to post. I had assumed green county was all the way to the dam

IT IS NOT

So since SD was found IN Green county as I recall anyway, and the Green county sheriff turned her and the investigation over willingly to SS

Here is a map........Green stops about a mile before the dam and right above the Green county line, you can see a split in the river, the right leg, going north, is about where she was found..........the articles I have read over the years indicates this too

Google Maps

Not posting this to keep rehashing the location, I never realized that green county stopped short of the dam by a mile

Yeah will be glad to see that map, Ive been to several boat ramps, all around that lake, but not on it. Been all over Sinclair

 

[TJtennispro]

I guess you want to go the full 12 rounds with this disagreement. Haha

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Well, I"ve often asked

"WHY did the killers use a BLUE MESH bag and what was the origin of it's use?"

I'm wondering why you would buy that for cinder blocks to weight a body......

Instead, would that be something you'd happen to have on hand already?

In addition, if it's something someone had on hand already, maybe once again, did the killers PLAN to haul her off or NOT......., PLAN to behead him? I came to realize I didnt think it seemed as if the beheading was planned later after the towels were retrieved from inside the D's home.

Maybe likewise, once that occurred, the killers felt they had to haul her off to confuse the investigation, as was thought early on anyway..........

blue mesh bag........was it something they had already? Was a decent size, can hold a lot if 2 cinder blocks fit inside it

I also didnt realize that money laundering was actually LAUNDERING the money to make it look used and to prevent suspicion of something illegal or actual counterfeit bills

blue mesh bags/money laundering

Just some most recent thoughts and questions

 

[TJtennispro]

Money laundering to make it look used is the literal definition and yes it does happen
occasionally but actual money laundering is when you buy up a bunch of business that operate in cash. Think of a strip club or casino and you take money from illegal operations a disperse it getting other bills in return.

Fast food restaurants would be good for laundering money. Any business that operates in lots of cash would be good.

Well, I"ve often asked

"WHY did the killers use a BLUE MESH bag and what was the origin of it's use?"

I'm wondering why you would buy that for cinder blocks to weight a body......

Instead, would that be something you'd happen to have on hand already?

In addition, if it's something someone had on hand already, maybe once again, did the killers PLAN to haul her off or NOT......., PLAN to behead him? I came to realize I didnt think it seemed as if the beheading was planned later after the towels were retrieved from inside the D's home.

Maybe likewise, once that occurred, the killers felt they had to haul her off to confuse the investigation, as was thought early on anyway..........

blue mesh bag........was it something they had already? Was a decent size, can hold a lot if 2 cinder blocks fit inside it

I also didnt realize that money laundering was actually LAUNDERING the money to make it look used and to prevent suspicion of something illegal or actual counterfeit bills

blue mesh bags/money laundering

Just some most recent thoughts and questions

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I guess you want to go the full 12 rounds with this disagreement. Haha

Might as well........im not scared LOL.........Where SD was pulled from the lake is not at the dam as the dam is not in Green county ga...... it is closer to the island where the River forks at Green county line below the last bend in the river ..............where the river forks...........in this vicinity is where SD was pulled from the lake

As I stated, I didnt realize green county stopped or started rather, A MILE above the dam

SO right where you and we have always thought seems to be closer than before, maybe one in the same now

Interesting find for me when looking at something north of there totally unrelated

SO I think it's ok for me to share my finds

 

[TJtennispro]

Back on March 23rd I posted this to which is basically in a line where Green County ends. I’ve ALWAYS stated the same location. I’m glad that you look to finally agree with people that saw the body pulled out of the water.

 

[FinePrint]

View attachment 172214 LS boat ramp is marked and the other location is the spot that has been pointed out to me by friends on that lake.

 

[FinePrint]

The body was found at Wallace Dam on Lake Oconee it was caught up in a tree line. It really couldn’t float but one way and let’s say it reached the end of a floating destination.

As I kid I was fascinated seeing water flow through a dam in Tennessee on the way to my grandparents.

*speculation below*

I can imagine them thinking one of two things would happen. Body sinks to the bottom or at some point in time the body could flow through Wallace Dam and now it’s in Lake Sinclair which is a different lake.

That’s why you hear Lawrence Shoals boat ramp often mentioned. It’s the end of the line. Last place to pull a boat out which happens to be at the Wallace Dam.

If you’re familiar with Atlanta I’ll make an analogy. MARTA last stop going North is the North Springs MARTA station. If a body was found in the North Springs rail line then I would assume that the killer got off at North Springs. Got in a car and drove away.

"The body was found at Wallace Dam on Lake Oconee it was caught up in a tree line. It really couldn’t float but one way and let’s say it reached the end of a floating destination."

 

[FinePrint]

It's 3 miles to the dam from where SD was found, a 2 mile radius from there would still be 2 more miles or a little less to the dam

Google Maps

You are correct @dancinunderthemoon

 

[FinePrint]

Again, no reason for the fisherman to lie to the 911 dispatcher as to where he found SD

Fisherman said they left from LONG SHOALS ramp not Lawrence Shoals Ramp which is the ramp by the Dam

Sportsmen Sought For Clues On Dermond Murder At Lake Oconee

"Mrs. Dermond’s body was not found until May 16 when an angler fishing several miles downstream near the mouth of Richland Creek discovered her body"

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Money laundering to make it look used is the literal definition and yes it does happen
occasionally but actual money laundering is when you buy up a bunch of business that operate in cash. Think of a strip club or casino and you take money from illegal operations a disperse it getting other bills in return.

Fast food restaurants would be good for laundering money. Any business that operates in lots of cash would be good.

Im well aware but never knew thwy actually washed and dried it......litterally

Since yoou mentioned it i was thinking you had SD closer to the dam

I just remember and have always said after the last bend at the split not accessible by land in the tree stump area

So that's right inside green county at the island and split in rover as I've been thinking from SS and the fisherman's descriptions


Trees wouldn't stick up out of 40 ft of water and the main channel was already a creek or river obviously with no trees growi g out of it. ....the flooding just makes that river or creek wider engulfing the land and trees around it and that water gradually moves up on the outer bank on the shore where trees were... its a gradual incline.....so not 40 ft under water if they are sticking up outof the water


Just thought the green county line finding was telling.....puts us all right back just past the last bend and the split in the river not in the middle of the channel

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

You are correct @dancinunderthemoon

Oh wow ...yeah not at the dam and not meant to get caught in the tines

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Again, no reason for the fisherman to lie to the 911 dispatcher as to where he found SD

Fisherman said they left from LONG SHOALS ramp not Lawrence Shoals Ramp which is the ramp by the Dam

Sportsmen Sought For Clues On Dermond Murder At Lake Oconee

"Mrs. Dermond’s body was not found until May 16 when an angler fishing several miles downstream near the mouth of Richland Creek discovered her body"

That's right at the split and the bend in river...the island there's not acciessible by land