GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

[dancinunderthemoon]

Again, no reason for the fisherman to lie to the 911 dispatcher as to where he found SD

Fisherman said they left from LONG SHOALS ramp not Lawrence Shoals Ramp which is the ramp by the Dam

Sportsmen Sought For Clues On Dermond Murder At Lake Oconee

"Mrs. Dermond’s body was not found until May 16 when an angler fishing several miles downstream near the mouth of Richland Creek discovered her body"

No they needed it found so why would they lie if they're calling it in

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Well MY point was that greencounty line stops a MILE BEFORE THE DAM sooooooo that's at THE island below the split PAST the bend

Where fishermen had her in 911 call

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

whoa, hold up

You said that other maps X, the yellow one was where they found SD, that's right outisde their cove

Lick Creek is where the X was

Google Maps

thats NO WHERE near where she was, so not sure why that X was on the map of SS

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I guess you want to go the full 12 rounds with this disagreement. Haha

Google Maps

mouth of Richland Creek ........another mile above the Green County southern line

Im sure they searched with sonar down to the green county line as it was reported, the team searched in a 2 mile radius, that would cover down to the green county line and up to Riley shoals just past the last bend in the river going south

Finding that green county line is quite interesting

Oh yeah!! I rmemeber that now, thats nowhere near Richland creek, I have posted pics of this area

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Back on March 23rd I posted this to which is basically in a line where Green County ends. I’ve ALWAYS stated the same location. I’m glad that you look to finally agree with people that saw the body pulled out of the water.

No one was pointing out anyone's faults, just mapping the green county line.......a mile above the green county line......I have always agreed with SS description LOL

 

[FinePrint]

No they needed it found so why would they lie if they're calling it in

That would be mean and stupid for the fisherman to lie to where he found the body, sending LE on a wild goose chase!

 

[Razz]

That would be mean and stupid for the fisherman to lie to where he found the body, sending LE on a wild goose chase!

Unless of course, that fisherman was involved somehow.

 

[TJtennispro]

That’s 100% not what I said. I tried to explain the yellow x which you called “Grey” was posted where it was because of GIS scale. I’ve explained what that means multiple times but I’m sorry you can’t seem to understand.

I’m sorry but I have zero clue what your messages even say.

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whoa, hold up

You said that other maps X, the yellow one was where they found SD, that's right outisde their cove

Lick Creek is where the X was

Google Maps

thats NO WHERE near where she was, so not sure why that X was on the map of SS

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I am rereading some posts, this is interesting! That is very interesting. I thought I always read that SD had completed the puzzle of Saturdays USA Today that was delivered on Friday
Very good find and good point Watcher9

Happy 4th Ya'll, see yall next week! Be safe if you are on the lake, there are crazy boaters on the 4th!

Most people who regularly work the crossword puzzle in the newspaper can usually finish it in one sitting. I wonder how much of it was completed? Could she have been interrupted Friday afternoon?

An unfinished USA Today crossword, which Shirley did regularly, was on the kitchen table.

The Murders of Elderly Georgia Couple Russell and Shirley Dermond: A Beheading and No Leads

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

That is right outside of the Dermonds Cove is what I have stated..................attached copy with X and red dot showing 147 carolyn Dr.

Attached google image of the same location with wider perimeters

Google Maps

LIck Creek is where the gray X is, outside of the Dermonds cove on your saved copy of SS map

Go south around the bends past Long Shoals and you see the split in the river (mouth of Richland Creek) where the fishermen said they found her, snagged on a tree

Just south of this is an island, thats approximately where the green county line stops , the rest
Going further south to the bottom of this image and just outside of the computer screen is the Dam and Lawrence Shoals would be on the left maybe 800 feet or less to the dam

It's 2 miles from the dam to the mouth of the Richland Creek

Sonar was used in a 2 mile radius of where SD was found, seems they stayed inside the Green county line and didnt search further south than the island which is approx the ending of green county

Below green county at this island is approximately the 1 mile southern radius of the sonar search from the split in the river at the mouth of Richland Creek

Below Green county approx from that island PUTNAM COUNTY IS on the left side, looking at the map and HANCOCK county is on the right looking at the map.........both counties encompass areas below the dam into Lake Sinclair

There is another island at the MOUTH OF RICHLAND CREEK where the trees can be seen sticking up in the water

Google Maps

I do not see trees sticking up out of the water at the Green county island on this map and it is not at the MOUTH OF RICHLAND CREEK nor at the split in the River

WONDERING WHY THE KILLERS CHOSE TO DROP HER HERE AT THE ROCK ISLAND at RICHLAND CREEK at SPLIT IN THE RIVERS WHERE EVERYONE BOATS AND FISHES AND SWIMS!??


Happy 4th Yall! See ya next week maybe

That’s 100% not what I said. I tried to explain the yellow x which you called “Grey” was posted where it was because of GIS scale. I’ve explained what that means multiple times but I’m sorry you can’t seem to understand.

I’m sorry but I have zero clue what your messages even say.

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[fred&edna]

Unless of course, that fisherman was involved somehow.

Possible, but I doubt the perps would have notified LE of body. (But, perps have done other, crazier things... So, I dunno)

Why oh why hasn't there been a break in this case... Even a small one ??!

 

[Razz]

Possible, but I doubt the perps would have notified LE of body. (But, perps have done other, crazier things... So, I dunno)

Why oh why hasn't there been a break in this case... Even a small one ??!

Part of me is thinking that the perps were either nervous that the body would come to the surface and were checking the place where they dumped her, or they were hoping she'd surface and they went back to make sure she did.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hey Ocean, long time!

I dont think SS has looked at the family, only the Dermond victims........Sadly what we see is not all there is, we still have missing pieces from LE and apparently they have missing pieces on their end as well

Definitley cant rule anything out though I tend towards one or another but gotta know anything is possible

Hi there! Nice to always 'see' you, and how devoted you still are to this thread.

May I ask why you believe Sills nor the FBI haven't investigated family members thoroughly?

Why would they not do so when all investigations start with those closest to the victims then widens out when they find no link connected any of them?

I haven't seen anything that has shown they haven't been investigated nor have I ever seen any investigation exclude family members of all people. Why would these investigators be totally different than all of the others? That's the part I guess I'm not understanding. TIA

That just doesn't make any logical sense to me.

I've never heard of any investigation excluding all family members, or close friends, acquaintances, neighbors etc. That's just standard protocol for every investigation involving murders for all family members to be the very FIRST ones to be investigated.

Imo, I think they have thoroughly investigated all family members, and haven't found any evidence any family member is involved whatsoever.

I also think they have investigated many other possibilities, but are stumped because they can't find any connection between the victims, and who murdered them.

Sills, of all sheriffs doesn't like to have lingering unsolved cases. If he truly had the evidence showing who did this they would be arrested, and charged.

No sherriff likes unsolved cases in their county, and he is no exception. This shows me the evidence needed to arrest the actual murderer or murderers remains unknown.

Like I said earlier, I think the only way it will ever be solved is if the suspect or suspects divulges they murdered them to someone else.

As many know even if someone already knows they are often too fearful to come forward thinking the same will happen to them.

However what usually happens is the suspect is arrested, and in jail for some reason or the relationship finally ends, and they have no further contact with each other.

I saw one case where it took a woman 26 years before she came forward solving the decade old murder case by telling LE what she had known all of those many decades. The suspect turned out to be someone the police never knew about nor had even heard his name.

Iirc, he was finally in prison or in jail for another crime, but it wasn't for murder though.

Imo, I'm afraid that's the only way this case will ever be solved as well.

Jmhoo

 

[fred&edna]

Part of me is thinking that the perps were either nervous that the body would come to the surface and were checking the place where they dumped her, or they were hoping she'd surface and they went back to make sure she did.

Definitely a possibility.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Morning fellow posters!

I truly believe this case will be somewhat similiar to the Isabelle Celis case if, and when it's ever solved..

For 6 years the majority on WS were absolutely 100 percent positive Sergio Celis murdered his beautiful 6 year old daughter.

However, six years later the actual suspect was finally arrested solving the 6 year old unsolved case, and LE had never interviewed Clements nor knew his name before then... who was an absconded serial pedophile sex offender who fled from Florida to Arizona still not registering as a sex offender.

CC not only murdered Isa he murdered another precious child, Maribelle Gonzalez.

Imo, when, and if this case is ever solved it will be someone no one has ever heard of including the police.

Imo Like in Isa's case this murderer or murderers will be a total stranger to not only the targeted victims, but unknown to family members as well.

CCs now ex girlfriend knew for 3 years he had buried personal items in her yard that belonged to Isa yet she only told the FBI once he had been arrested.

I think the same thing will happen in this case, and it will come right out of the blue without any warning ...just like the Tucson PD did when announcing double murder charges, and the arrest of the pedophile murderer of Clements.

Jmhoo

 

[kirkassoc]

Morning fellow posters!

I truly believe this case will be somewhat similiar to the Isabelle Celis case if, and when it's ever solved..

For 6 years the majority on WS were absolutely 100 percent positive Sergio Celis murdered his beautiful 6 year old daughter.

However, six years later the actual suspect was finally arrested solving the 6 year old unsolved case, and LE had never interviewed Clements nor knew his name before then... who was an absconded serial pedophile sex offender who fled from Florida to Arizona still not registering as a sex offender.

CC not only murdered Isa he murdered another precious child, Maribelle Gonzalez.

Imo, when, and if this case is ever solved it will be someone no one has ever heard of including the police.

Imo Like in Isa's case this murderer or murderers will be a total stranger to not only the targeted victims, but unknown to family members as well.

CCs now ex girlfriend knew for 3 years he had buried personal items in her yard that belonged to Isa yet she only told the FBI once he had been arrested.

I think the same thing will happen in this case, and it will come right out of the blue without any warning ...just like the Tucson PD did when announcing double murder charges, and the arrest of the pedophile murderer of Clements.

Jmhoo

No robbery, no sexual assault, no revenge. That doesn't leave many options open, except one. PURE EVIL. Evil walked into the lives of these two lovely people, and they never stood a chance. Evil doesn't respond to anything, feel anything, so there's nothing there to appeal to, and it knows no boundaries, and it doesn't have a conscience , empathy or compassion. It's difficult to find a weapon to use against it...most people (fortunately) have never faced it. But, I believe it's real. I hope I live to hear and see the individual(s) who perpetrated this crime. I can think of a few people in the past who fit into this category...we've all read about them. God willing, we'll never meet one. MOO.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

From what we know SS only went back I think 8 years in the Dermonds finances and saw nothing questionable.

We also know he polygraphed the family members and said he watched them during the interviews and didnt think they were guilty

He requestioned the daughter who initially lied and he said he didnt think she had anything to do with it but said "i never say never"

SS has repeated said in interviews that the family had nothing to do with it and this was even last year when Brad did the interview which is interesting in itself and I cnat tell all I know about that.........but......why would he investigate further if he thinks they arent guilty

SS also would need some kind of probably cause to investigate the family, get search warrants etc

I dont know what he's doing now but all indications from all reports up to last year is that he thinks the family didnt have anything to do with it after initial questioning which is protocol of course

It seems like Brad's interview was coerced by SS since it took 4 years to even do one and there is more to that story I wont post here

I have seen some statements made by sons that seemed quite cold IMO but that doenst make someone a murderer nor gives probalbe cause to investigate their finances

I would hope if any liens or other financial holds were found "satisfied" after the Dermonds deaths would be investigated

SO, if we believe SS, then that is why I say what I do and it makes perfect sense

Hi there! Nice to always 'see' you, and how devoted you still are to this thread.

May I ask why you believe Sills nor the FBI haven't investigated family members thoroughly?

Why would they not do so when all investigations start with those closest to the victims then widens out when they find no link connected any of them?

I haven't seen anything that has shown they haven't been investigated nor have I ever seen any investigation exclude family members of all people. Why would these investigators be totally different than all of the others? That's the part I guess I'm not understanding. TIA

That just doesn't make any logical sense to me.

I've never heard of any investigation excluding all family members, or close friends, acquaintances, neighbors etc. That's just standard protocol for every investigation involving murders for all family members to be the very FIRST ones to be investigated.

Imo, I think they have thoroughly investigated all family members, and haven't found any evidence any family member is involved whatsoever.

I also think they have investigated many other possibilities, but are stumped because they can't find any connection between the victims, and who murdered them.

Sills, of all sheriffs doesn't like to have lingering unsolved cases. If he truly had the evidence showing who did this they would be arrested, and charged.

No sherriff likes unsolved cases in their county, and he is no exception. This shows me the evidence needed to arrest the actual murderer or murderers remains unknown.

Like I said earlier, I think the only way it will ever be solved is if the suspect or suspects divulges they murdered them to someone else.

As many know even if someone already knows they are often too fearful to come forward thinking the same will happen to them.

However what usually happens is the suspect is arrested, and in jail for some reason or the relationship finally ends, and they have no further contact with each other.

I saw one case where it took a woman 26 years before she came forward solving the decade old murder case by telling LE what she had known all of those many decades. The suspect turned out to be someone the police never knew about nor had even heard his name.

Iirc, he was finally in prison or in jail for another crime, but it wasn't for murder though.

Imo, I'm afraid that's the only way this case will ever be solved as well.

Jmhoo

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Part of me is thinking that the perps were either nervous that the body would come to the surface and were checking the place where they dumped her, or they were hoping she'd surface and they went back to make sure she did.

the latter! WOW, good point.......if they could have foudn her themselves but it's interesting you say that and she WAS SNAGGED ON a tree

Would like to know how badly she was snagged!

 

[fred&edna]

We are still mulling over the question... What kind of evil would target the Dermonds?

What made this couple a target more than any others living in that community??

They didn't seem to be the most financially well-off. There have been no reports of disputes nor enemies. They seem to live fairly modestly and we're not flamboyant in lifestyle/activities.

Was the location of their home more "remote" AND only home with closestn away?? (IMO I don't think it could be such a simple reason, but I'm looking for feedback on the idea)

I keep wondering... What else could make them "targets" for such bizarre, brutal murders?? Any and all thoughts welcome!

If no family involvement, then did these perps know the Dermonds at all??

And, finally my last question/s... IF (big IF - as I still find it hard to believe) RD's head was removed to hide a bullet from a special (maybe rare) gun... Is the list of "rare" guns endless... Ones that use only "special" ammo?? Could it be an antique?? Do men share tales (brag) of the guns they own? (ie: I was able to talk ol' Sam into selling me that XYZ pistol that belong to his grandfather! etc).

ETA:. Forgive my many typos, I'm too lazy to go back and fix em

 

[fred&edna]

Just a duplicate of my last post (hopefully without typos and missing words).

We are still mulling over the question... What kind of evil would target the Dermonds?

What made this couple a target more than any others living in that community??

They didn't seem to be the most financially well-off. There have been no reports of disputes nor enemies. They seemed to live fairly modestly and were not flamboyant in lifestyle/activities.

Was the location of their home more "remote" AND only home with closest neighbor away?? (IMO I don't think it could be such a simple reason, but I'm looking for feedback on the idea)

I keep wondering... What else could make them "targets" for such bizarre, brutal murders?? Any and all thoughts welcome!

If no family involvement, then did these perps know the Dermonds at all??

And, finally my last question/s... IF (big IF - as I still find it hard to believe) RD's head was removed to hide a bullet from a special (maybe rare) gun... Is the list of "rare" guns endless... Ones that use only "special" ammo?? Could it be an antique?? Do men share tales (brag) of the guns they own? (ie: I was able to talk ol' Sam into selling me that XYZ pistol that belong to his grandfather! etc).