GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[Rhyolite]

But, it was stated that the decapitation was a clean cut. I'm not sure a propeller on a boat motor would make a clean cut.

It may not have been a clean cut through the head and skull, but those parts have not been found or seen by the M.E.

 

[Rhyolite]

Interesting theory, to be sure, but I have to think that the medical examiner, not to mention the investigators, would have been able to rule it out fairly easily.

Some folks mentioned that a boat was cruising the shoreline looking for something with a spotlight a week or so ago. It could be DNR looking for UNGAT as I mentioned, or perhaps inspecting boats for hull damage or checking to see if boats registered to a home address were missing.

 

[Foxfire]

'In order for Evil to prevail, good men should do nothing'..paraphrased words by Edmund Burke...

The above quote was engraved on a plaque attached to a statue of an antelope, located on the courthouse square in Antelope, Oregon.. The plaque was dedicated to the people of the county who stood against the Rajneesh. The quote was personally read by Sheriff Howard Sills, 10/1998 after leaving the Wasco county, OR, Sheriff's office after a discussion of the attempted takeover of the county by the Rajneesh cult 1981-85.

Sheriff Sills, inquires after the visit brought him a copy of the 1993 FBI intelligence report on Dwight York and the Nawaubian Cult members activities while in NY.

Excerpt from p-127 - Ungodly by Bill Osinski; A True Story of Unprecedented Evil
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[mck16]

Some folks mentioned that a boat was cruising the shoreline looking for something with a spotlight a week or so ago. It could be DNR looking for UNGAT as I mentioned, or perhaps inspecting boats for hull damage or checking to see if boats registered to a home address were missing.

Pretty sure that wasn't on Lake Oconee, but Sinclair. Or is it the same lake and Sinclair a different area? ty

 

[JustyThoughts]

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"Time for some creative thinking "outside the box?" ......Thoughts?

Interesting theory and while certainly possible..... some thoughts come to mind in considering your scenario:

1. A probability that both Mr & Mrs. D did not cease breathing before going into the water - especially if there was a crash and they were tossed. ME did not report lake water in the lungs.

2. The beheading was reported as a clean cut; my opinion is that probably a spinning motor blade would not make a single clean cut.

3. There is a high probability that someone would have seen the D's and the friend at some point during the boat ride (early) or at the friend's house or riding around the lake. I think that would have come to light by now.

4. A friend 9 times out of 10 would have called for emergency help in a boat crash - especially since it came as a surprise and anyone could have seen or heard the noise. My guess is that a friend who would have done that would by now have had a total meltdown by now OR taken their own life - under the pressure of "knowing" they would soon be caught.

5. If it happened as theorized, I think the friend would have been in such a panic he/she would have left a whole lot of evidence - especially getting Mr. D. back up to his garage.

Just some thoughts of mine. Thanks for tossing out your theory.

 

[JustyThoughts]

Pretty sure that wasn't on Lake Oconee, but Sinclair. Or is it the same lake and Sinclair a different area? ty

They are 2 separate lakes - with a dam between them I think.

 

[DAMIFINO]

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[JustyThoughts]

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It did post. Welcome.

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, the investigative resources of the GBI should be requested by Sheriff Sills, to increase the probability of insuring justice for the Dermonds...

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[Foxfire]

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Welcome to the Websleuth family, DAMIFINO...& Dam IF I NO, either...

 

[Happyshoes]

I'm baaaack! Have been in and out of town, hubby too - different areas. Have been keeping up, just no thoughts to post until now. Last night, my hubby wanted to watch "300-Rise of the Empire" in 3D on our new SmartTV. I never watch stuff like that but since we hadn't seen each other much, I put on my 3D glasses and tried to be interested. The only thing that got my attention was the beheadings that went on and my mind went straight to some young, drug-addled creep who had watched this! I did an OMG and the hair stood up on the back of my neck when I saw the ruler holding the head in her hand and admiring it. I even thought "Whoever killed the D's is going to show that head to somebody one day" - I have always thought along the same lines as OceanBlueEyes - some kids these days are scarier than any other group and video games do not help them at all, just inspires more cruelty and fantasy- IMO. Missed all you guys! Come on Sills!

 

[atthelake]

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:welcome2: :wagon:

 

[JustyThoughts]

:welcomeback: Happyshoes

 

[Hickory Born]

I am surprised the local politicians are not putting the pressure on SS. Maybe it is time for residents of Lake Oconee to talk with their representatives.

 

[DAMIFINO]

That's not how it works in Georgia. I don't think talking to the State Representatives is going to accomplish anything. Besides, there are some very heavy hitters at LO. Tex McIver who posted about donations to the reward fund is on the State Elections Board, Jamie Reynolds was on the DNR Board, and then there are the big campaign contributors. If there are any ears to bend, they can certainly do it.

Just sit tight, SS is in touch with more help than we know about. He is just keeping it quiet and gathering evidence and waiting for results like he has from the beginning. If he doesn't get a break, he and the profilers will carefully craft what and how to let out just what they want known for whatever reason.

 

[mck16]

That's not how it works in Georgia. I don't think talking to the State Representatives is going to accomplish anything. Besides, there are some very heavy hitters at LO. Tex McIver who posted about donations to the reward fund is on the State Elections Board, Jamie Reynolds was on the DNR Board, and then there are the big campaign contributors. If there are any ears to bend, they can certainly do it.

Just sit tight, SS is in touch with more help than we know about. He is just keeping it quiet and gathering evidence and waiting for results like he has from the beginning. If he doesn't get a break, he and the profilers will carefully craft what and how to let out just what they want known for whatever reason.

Okay, are you implying you know more than is being reported. I hope that you are. Guesses and speculation is getting old. Hope you can help out. jmo

 

[Rhyolite]

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Interesting theory and while certainly possible..... some thoughts come to mind in considering your scenario:

1. A probability that both Mr & Mrs. D did not cease breathing before going into the water - especially if there was a crash and they were tossed. ME did not report lake water in the lungs.

2. The beheading was reported as a clean cut; my opinion is that probably a spinning motor blade would not make a single clean cut.

3. There is a high probability that someone would have seen the D's and the friend at some point during the boat ride (early) or at the friend's house or riding around the lake. I think that would have come to light by now.

4. A friend 9 times out of 10 would have called for emergency help in a boat crash - especially since it came as a surprise and anyone could have seen or heard the noise. My guess is that a friend who would have done that would by now have had a total meltdown by now OR taken their own life - under the pressure of "knowing" they would soon be caught.

5. If it happened as theorized, I think the friend would have been in such a panic he/she would have left a whole lot of evidence - especially getting Mr. D. back up to his garage.

Just some thoughts of mine. Thanks for tossing out your theory.

Some variations on theme, and comments:

# 1, 2, Is there anywhere on the lake where a boat could run under a bridge or other obstruction resulting in head trauma/decapitation? Maybe even a tree limb.

#3, Likely an accident like this would happen at night, be unnoticed.

#4 People react very differently under stress. Obviously self preservation was at work here. Probably someone mentally able/trained to self contain and regroup under pressure.

#5 A lone person, or a couple, having RD's keys or familiar with garage door code, dragging an already bled out body, clean getting in and out.

Investigators should look out for unusually damaged boat hulls and above deck damage. Check for fresh damage to bridges, tree limbs and appurtenances above lake. Check boat repair firms, recent sales of boats. Boats missing from where registered or reported "stolen".

 

[Rhyolite]

I am surprised the local politicians are not putting the pressure on SS. Maybe it is time for residents of Lake Oconee to talk with their representatives.

The last thing you need is a politically expedient arrest and conviction.

 

[DAMIFINO]

I wish I had more info. I don't know any more than anyone else. :banghead:
My prospective is that I am a Georgia county employee.....not in Putnam or surrounding counties and not LE, but I do understand small rural Georgia politics and how things are done.

I do have some observations, nothing new. I agree with the posters who realize that many Georgians hunt and anyone who can field dress a deer knows how to cut off a head with a sharp knife.

Fishing is another big pastime. If I understand it correctly, Mrs. D was found in underwater brush. That is prime crappie fishing. They hang around structure. Bass do too. A fisherman would know where the structure is located. That does not mean that the disposer lived at the lake. Fishermen think nothing of going hundreds of miles to a favorite honey hole.

Regarding boat/land combo, it is really hard to find a place by boat that you have been to by land and vice versa, especially at night. There may be new tech apps that would guide someone but that is past my expertise.

We in middle Georgia have just gotten through with a horrid weird murder case in which a male Mercer Law School student who had just graduated, killed and dismembered another one, a beautiful young woman and his neighbor. His stated confessed motive was that he was a voyeur and she caught him in her apartment watching her sleep, they fought and in the process, she died. He disposed of her body by cutting it up and putting it in the dumptser across the street. He came very close to getting away with the crime. The clinching evidence was his photos of her that he thought were erased. This was huge news for two years and we followed it closely. Putnam Co. is in the Macon Telegraph and TV stations area. The killer or body disposer may have taken a lesson from that case.

As I said, nothing new.

 

[tlcya]

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