GA v Hannah Payne - HP allegedly murdering a man involved in a hit-and-run in 2019 *GUILTY*

[RickshawFan]

I do think there was a racial component involved. Would she have eventually done something along these lines regardless of the other individual’s race? Most likely, IMO. But I think that Mr. Herring’s race caused her to believe she would be able to get away with violence and vigilantism and be treated like a hero. Glad the jury got it right and said “Not this time!”

MOO.

Rest in peace to Mr. Herring and may his memory be a blessing to all those who loved him. I hope this trial outcome at least gives them some semblance of peace and justice.

Racial bias might have fueled her entitlement IMO, like pouring gas on a fire. It also might have made her jump to the conclusion that Herring could only be committing a crime (instead of having a medical event) and it was somehow heinous: she magnified the enormity of the event of him running away from a minor accident, as the pros pointed out. The savior/hero complex fits in there, too.

IMO There might also have been status elements ( wrongly construed by her) factored into her crime. Herring was driving a beater truck, so she might easily have jumped to conclusions about his demographic. HP was driving what she probably thought was a super fancy, hip, current, flashy, enviable rig. Attention-getting. Monied. No doubt, the balloon tires enhanced this image for her: hot!

(FWIW I don’t like jeeps with balloon wheels, and their owners tend not to be my type, so bias may be sutured into my point.)

IMO The trial gave the lie to an assumption about status, demographic, financial means, education, etc. I note the way the prosecution’s witnesses and family members presented—corresponding to the dividing lines in the gallery—versus everyone on the defense side. HP had her guesses inverted, historically biased, and blind to the real world, especially somewhere like Atlanta, which has long had a robust African-American upwardly mobile and very successful middle class.

Do we know anything about HP except this crime? Background? Education?

I love the idea that, in this trial, the victim had a jury of his peers. I also liked that these particular sheriff’s deputies in the courtroom implemented the verdict. I kept wondering what they were thinking: they might zone out in trials, but I have a feeling not this one. They seemed extra spiffed up, too. Not the perfect send off—RIP—but a good one.

 

[arielilane]

The judge has the most beautiful judge gown! The velvet, those special pleats on the shoulder, cuffs. I've never seen a court judge with such a unique black garb, and so particular to the judge. Loved her handling of the case.

Yes, 100% agreed, and Judge Jewel Scott's exquisite voice matched perfectly with her elegant attire.

 

[arielilane]

Does anyone know the sentencing options? The 8 counts amount to more than LWP, yes?

rsbm... my understanding is LWP, however, as you already know the judge will advise us all on Fri. moo


Friendly reminder: HP sentencing Dec. 15 @10am ET

 

[RickshawFan]

rsbm... my understanding is LWP, however, as you already know the judge will advise us all on Fri. moo


Friendly reminder: HP sentencing Dec. 15 @10am ET

She could stack sentences, though, 'cos there's a gun charge, malice....? And, IMO, HP didn't do herself any favors on the stand. Plus, the jury sent a message loud and clear.

The plea deal was LWP but HP turned it down.

 

[RickshawFan]

Another minor but impactful detail in the courtroom.... the prosecutor's hair.

True story...I was going about my regular life, and I happened to be introduced to the #2 in-the-world women's boxing champion. Nigerian. Lovely young woman, personable, very striking. She was super short. This is a problem if you're to have clout in the boxing ring. What did she do? She stood her hair straight up! Like a foot of it. It might even have had some bright pink in it: I forget. Anyway, her handler happened to mention that the hairstyle was designed to intimidate opponents.

This might be what we have here in the HP courtroom. The prosecutor's do gives her all kinds of extra height. So, this might not be so much style (though it is stylish) as strategy. Her colleague took the exact opposite approach, which is also kind of interesting; she's got herself looking like the defendant (note the straight, hanging, dark hair with center part) and dressing not so much lawyer-tidy. I wonder if this was deliberate (likely, yes). I suppose she would be conveying she comes from HP's social realm, but is a straight arrow, by contrast. This prosecutor has not even a touch of nasty or rage in her voice, not snarly, even-keeled. By contrast, the defendant.

 

[ch_13]

Racial bias might have fueled her entitlement IMO, like pouring gas on a fire. It also might have made her jump to the conclusion that Herring could only be committing a crime (instead of having a medical event) and it was somehow heinous: she magnified the enormity of the event of him running away from a minor accident, as the pros pointed out. The savior/hero complex fits in there, too.

Yes, I agree that implicit bias could definitely be a factor.

What if this was a 62-year old white woman who drove away from the crash? Would Hannah still have acted as aggressively and confronted the driver? I kind of doubt it. Her belief in her own righteousness wouldn't have allowed her to act that way against someone who looked like her grandmother.

 

[arielilane]

Video is about 2.5 minutes.​

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Kenenth Herring’s family reacts to Hannah Payne conviction​

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/world/kenenth-herrings-family-reacts-to-hannah-payne-conviction/video/ef479f958df4707ed1c44ec2c0826c5c

14 hours ago

 

[RickshawFan]

Yes, I agree that implicit bias could definitely be a factor.

What if this was a 62-year old white woman who drove away from the crash? Would Hannah still have acted as aggressively and confronted the driver? I kind of doubt it. Her belief in her own righteousness wouldn't have allowed her to act that way against someone who looked like her grandmother.

While I agree this is true, for this instance, I also think HP is a ticking time bomb because of her attitude. She's extremely self-righteous, full of herself. Poor judgment. No empathy. Control freak: she even seems to be ordering her attorney around (see the constant passing of papers, and her notes, on legal pads). And she has a gun. I fully believe she'd go out and do the same thing again, perhaps with a different excuse, different victim(s), but the same ingredients on her end. I'm not sure she is even remediable.

IMO she's on the sociopath spectrum.

 

[Facinatingtimes]

While I agree this is true, for this instance, I also think HP is a ticking time bomb because of her attitude. She's extremely self-righteous, full of herself. Poor judgment. No empathy. Control freak: she even seems to be ordering her attorney around (see the constant passing of papers, and her notes, on legal pads). And she has a gun. I fully believe she'd go out and do the same thing again, perhaps with a different excuse, different victim(s), but the same ingredients on her end. I'm not sure she is even remediable.

IMO she's on the sociopath spectrum.

After watching her interview with police, along with the witness testimony and that video/still shots of her at the truck with her gun waving around, I agree!

 

[RickshawFan]

This looks like the sentence will be at least 30 years before parole is considered if LWP:

Parole-eligible offenders serving a life sentence for a serious violent felony (murder, rape, aggravated sodomy, aggravated child molestation, aggravated sexual battery, armed robbery, or kidnapping) committed prior to July 1, 2006, are initially considered for parole after serving 14 years. Those offenders who committed such crimes on or after July 1, 2006, will not be considered for parole until they have served 30 years. Most life-sentenced offenders convicted of serious violent felonies before 1995 were eligible for parole after seven years and have already received their initial parole consideration.

Life Sentences

Parole Decisions for Lifers

pap.georgia.gov

Then the gun charge on top of that.... and the other charges, like false imprisonment.

HP is going to prison for a looooooong time IMO. And I doubt she's going to be popular.

 

[ErinC]

IMO this girl was a ticking time bomb- if it hadn't been poor Mr. Herring, it would have been someone else who fell victim to her. I wish no one at all had been killed, but at least now she won't be able to harm any more innocents for a very long time.

 

[asmi106082]

I just can’t believe she sat up on that stand and straight up LIED to the jury! There is clear, photographic evidence of her approaching the vehicle with gun drawn, yet she sat there and said it was on her hip until he grabbed her and started revving his engine.

She has so much nerve!

May she spend her lifetime learning empathy and self reflection.

MOO

 

[BeachSky]

Georgia NAACP weighs in on Hannah Payne guilty verdict as she awaits sentencing

“We are sick and tired of African Americans being unjustly hunted and killed in this state," the Georgia NAACP president said. "Ahmaud Arbery to now Kenneth Herring, it needs to stop.”

www.atlantanewsfirst.com

Griggs said with the murder charges, the question is not if Payne will get life in prison, but whether she will get parole.
“Based on what Miss Payne was found guilty of, the lowest she can get is life with the possibility of parole. The highest she can get is life without the possibility of parole plus several decades more,” Griggs explained.


Payne’s sentencing hearing is set to take place …
10 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 15.

 

[RickshawFan]

Georgia NAACP weighs in on Hannah Payne guilty verdict as she awaits sentencing

“We are sick and tired of African Americans being unjustly hunted and killed in this state," the Georgia NAACP president said. "Ahmaud Arbery to now Kenneth Herring, it needs to stop.”

www.atlantanewsfirst.com

Griggs said with the murder charges, the question is not if Payne will get life in prison, but whether she will get parole.
“Based on what Miss Payne was found guilty of, the lowest she can get is life with the possibility of parole. The highest she can get is life without the possibility of parole plus several decades more,” Griggs explained.


Payne’s sentencing hearing is set to take place …
10 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 15.

Yes, and the minimum “life” is 30, as far as I can tell.

In Georgia they don’t have to wait for a sentencing report before the judge decides? This judge is very confident in her decision to have it so soon after conviction. And the jury was super steady with their judgment. No iota of doubt in those voices.

Do we even know anything about HP, except a claim to faith, per earrings and a large cross on a chain? Was she working a job? At college? Volunteer work? What was she doing for the last 4 years, out on bond? Anything?

This whole event was the exact opposite of Christian values, so I’m kinda suspicious about the religious paraphernalia. And there was no sign of it in interrogation? Or video clips? The necklace cross was super elaborate and LARGE. I’m thinking she put it on with the dumpy clothes, like some kind of costume.

 

[RickshawFan]

Georgia NAACP weighs in on Hannah Payne guilty verdict as she awaits sentencing

“We are sick and tired of African Americans being unjustly hunted and killed in this state," the Georgia NAACP president said. "Ahmaud Arbery to now Kenneth Herring, it needs to stop.”

www.atlantanewsfirst.com

Griggs said with the murder charges, the question is not if Payne will get life in prison, but whether she will get parole.
“Based on what Miss Payne was found guilty of, the lowest she can get is life with the possibility of parole. The highest she can get is life without the possibility of parole plus several decades more,” Griggs explained.


Payne’s sentencing hearing is set to take place …
10 a.m. on Friday, Dec. 15.

A Georgia prison when this feel from the NAACP is in the community….. (rightfully IMO). IMO HP is gonna need a higher power right quick, and not just the paraphernalia of one.

 

[RickshawFan]

I just can’t believe she sat up on that stand and straight up LIED to the jury! There is clear, photographic evidence of her approaching the vehicle with gun drawn, yet she sat there and said it was on her hip until he grabbed her and started revving his engine.

She has so much nerve!

May she spend her lifetime learning empathy and self reflection.

MOO

She thinks she has empathy and self-reflection already IMO, so the “learning” isn’t gonna happen. And prison will bring out her aggression ‘cos of community feeling about her that will make her a target. I don’t see incarceration going well for her at all. Then, there’s the gangs…

 

[RickshawFan]

Did she seriously put on that peach sweatshirt before she called 911? And she’s still holding the gun (per LE bodycam) after she changes? The peach sweatshirt is pull-over. She had to have put the gun down, changed, and picked it back up? Super strange. Why did she need a gun at this point?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

She thinks she has empathy and self-reflection already IMO, so the “learning” isn’t gonna happen. And prison will bring out her aggression ‘cos of community feeling about her that will make her a target. I don’t see incarceration going well for her at all. Then, there’s the gangs…

My guess is all that bravado she had will melt away once she gets to the big house. She will see pretty quickly that she is not in charge and her attitude won't fly there. IMO

 

[cujenn81]

Yes, and the minimum “life” is 30, as far as I can tell.

In Georgia they don’t have to wait for a sentencing report before the judge decides? This judge is very confident in her decision to have it so soon after conviction. And the jury was super steady with their judgment. No iota of doubt in those voices.

Do we even know anything about HP, except a claim to faith, per earrings and a large cross on a chain? Was she working a job? At college? Volunteer work? What was she doing for the last 4 years, out on bond? Anything?

This whole event was the exact opposite of Christian values, so I’m kinda suspicious about the religious paraphernalia. And there was no sign of it in interrogation? Or video clips? The necklace cross was super elaborate and LARGE. I’m thinking she put it on with the dumpy clothes, like some kind of costume.

Oh those gold cross earrings and necklace were 1000% for show, IMO!

She was even wearing a pink WWJD type of bracelet. (I don’t know if that’s what her bracelet actually said because I know people can order them to say whatever they want to nowadays — but the OG silicone rubber bracelets were WWJD bracelets and it certainly wouldn’t surprise me.)

She’s a self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite. Actions speak louder than religious symbolism.

 

[arielilane]

HP was convicted of malice murder for the death of Kenneth Herring faces life behind bars. Will the judge give her the possibility of parole after serving 30 years?

Defense attorney plans to make an oral motion for a new trial based on alleged errors of biased on other grounds and of course he will file an appeal.


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#HannahPayne's attorney described her as "devastated" as he talked about what to expect at Friday's sentencing in the #CarCrashVigilanteTrial. Payne was found guilty of malice murder in the death of 62-year-old #KennethHerring. #CourtTV's @ChanleyCourtTV breaks down Payne's chances of parole.

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