Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

[NuttMegg]

But the medications found near wife are not for medical emergencies...just like daily prescription and maybe aspirin/ibuprofen for pain. Why would wife run to bathroom with 2025 calendar, 2 mobile cellphones, medical chart, then collapse near space heater with script bottles while leaving dog locked in crate and husband on mudroom floor having medical episode? This makes no sense. One could make sense is wife died in bathroom and was primary caregiver of husband and dog and crate which is why dog and husband ultimately could not care for themselves without primary caregiver being able to do so. Lesson learned: Dogs should never ever be locked in crate no matter what EVER.

How do you know she carried a calendar, 2 phones, or medical chart? I don't recall that evidence other than items were found.

But I agree with you about not closing the crate completely. My own dog is in the house at night, but she knows how to get out if need be.

 

[formerreddingrunner]

Hmm, this is just some thought - and this might be too off topic!!!! IDK.

The person who made the statement Betsy hadn't called her elderly mother since October was identified as "the mother's longtime housekeeper Keiko."

In-home elder care can be very expensive in North America (some people chose to move elsewhere, like SE Asia, where it is cheaper!). A quick google search told me $30/hour for 24/7 care for dementia patients, 10K - 20K per month. I imagine in Hawaii it would be even more due to the high cost of living there.

I wonder if Betsy made provisions for her elderly mother in case Betsy died before her elderly mother. Hopefully, her mom's not destitute. (Although her mother could have her own money. who knows!)

Gene Hackman's wife hadn't called her mother since OCTOBER

Betsy Arakawa, 64, usually checked in with her mom Yoshie Feaster, who lives in Hawaii, with regular monthly phone calls, the mother's housekeeper revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CityKid]

But the medications found near wife are not for medical emergencies...just like daily prescription and maybe aspirin/ibuprofen for pain. Why would wife run to bathroom with 2025 calendar, 2 mobile cellphones, medical chart, not call 911 next to husband side, then she collapses to death in another room, near space heater with script bottles while leaving dog locked in crate and husband on mudroom floor having medical episode? This makes no sense. One could make sense is wife died in bathroom and was primary caregiver of husband and dog and crate which is why dog and husband ultimately could not care for themselves without primary caregiver being able to do so. Lesson learned: Dogs should never ever be locked in crate no matter what EVER.

The sheriff's statement never claimed that she ran to the bathroom with all of those items. She collapsed in the bathroom, not another room. We don't know the timing of GH and BA's deaths.

 

[Cherwell]

But the medications found near wife are not for medical emergencies...just like daily prescription and maybe aspirin/ibuprofen for pain. Why would wife run to bathroom with 2025 calendar, 2 mobile cellphones, medical chart, not call 911 next to husband side, then she collapses to death in another room, near space heater with script bottles while leaving dog locked in crate and husband on mudroom floor having medical episode? This makes no sense.

She didn't. Those items were just listed as things that had been taken from the house as they may well provide clues.

One could make sense is wife died in bathroom and was primary caregiver of husband and dog and crate which is why dog and husband ultimately could not care for themselves without primary caregiver being able to do so. Lesson learned: Dogs should never ever be locked in crate no matter what EVER.

That's what I and many others think happened. It seems the most obvious sequence of events.
Agree about the dog, I am not a fan of crates and have never used them.

 

[formerreddingrunner]

Okay, I do not agree with the Headline here, what makes examining the pacemaker data "creepy" exactly? It seems quite factual actually. Anything to get clicks! Creepy way Gene Hackman's time of death was revealed

I learned: Gene Hackman had an estimated Net Worth of 80 million. wow, that is a lot of money.

 

[priyaya]

Okay, I do not agree with the Headline here, what makes examining the pacemaker data "creepy" exactly? It seems quite factual actually. Anything to get clicks! Creepy way Gene Hackman's time of death was revealed

I learned: Gene Hackman had an estimated Net Worth of 80 million. wow, that is a lot of money.

i think people just think its creepy someone like him could lie dead for 9 days without anyone noticing

 

[NCWatcher]

Okay, I do not agree with the Headline here, what makes examining the pacemaker data "creepy" exactly? It seems quite factual actually. Anything to get clicks! Creepy way Gene Hackman's time of death was revealed

I learned: Gene Hackman had an estimated Net Worth of 80 million. wow, that is a lot of money.

I agree it's not creepy. But the pacemaker data do not absolutely reveal the time of death either. Since no other cardiac events were recorded after Feb 17, it's said to be likely he died on the 17th. But the data do not indicate a precise date of death.
MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ah i see what you are saying. Yes perhaps he was ailing but refused to let anyone other than Betsy help him, putting undue strain on her which in turn led her health to decline.

I still find it odd - even if this were the case - that she didn't have people checking in on her.

He can be reclusive, elderly, selfish, stuck in his ways etc etc. She was only 63 years old. That's not old. It's odd that she didn't have friends checking in regularly.

Perhaps we live in a lonelier world than I had imagined. I'm pretty introverted, but there are still a good few people who i REALLY HOPE would notice if I stopped replying to messages and might at least check in on me. Especially if I was caring for an elderly gentleman. But then again, maybe not.

Perhaps people were afraid to intrude or overstep.

IMO:
From what's been said by friends it appears to me that at least in the later years BA called the shots when it came to GH's diet and health practices and the fear of Covid and probably other contagious diseases.

She may have not wanted anyone's help or anyone in their home.
We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Tributes to Gene after a statement from his nephew.

Gene Hackman's Nephew Addresses "Theories" Surrounding Actor and His Wife's Deaths - E! Online

Gene Hackman’s nephew Tim Hackman spoke about the theories that have emerged after the sudden deaths of the Oscar winner and his wife Betsy Arakawa.

www.eonline.com

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I have a few thoughts to offer, as a local and as someone who lived through her mother's dementia and paranoia. . . . Reading local coverage since I live in Santa Fe and the NYT, I'm struck by the "friends" who hadn't seen BA or GH in months, even years. Also the fact that family members said they only spoke to BA on the phone, when they could reach her. So I have a theory, unsubstantiated, that something was wrong with BA. This happens in May-December couples where everyone assumes the younger partner will outlive or enjoy better health than than the elder partner. What if BA had an onset of dementia which caused more and more isolation? What if she was the one who crumbled first in the bathroom, and GH was trying to get help when he fell? I've read that only she possessed a phone. So if GH were panicked, mightn't he head for the door rather than search for her phone? This would explain why one dog was still in its crate, if this happened in the morning.

There is a desire for isolation I fully understand. Most of us in New Mexico feel this way. But there is also a paranoia/unhealthy isolation that can rule one's life as they move into dementia. GH had been dependent on BA, and if she had moved into a less-healthy state of mind, it would have been a slow process and he wouldn't have noticed or been alarmed -- until it was too late.

 

[formerreddingrunner]

I have a few thoughts to offer, as a local and as someone who lived through her mother's dementia and paranoia. . . . Reading local coverage since I live in Santa Fe and the NYT, I'm struck by the "friends" who hadn't seen BA or GH in months, even years. Also the fact that family members said they only spoke to BA on the phone, when they could reach her. So I have a theory, unsubstantiated, that something was wrong with BA. This happens in May-December couples where everyone assumes the younger partner will outlive or enjoy better health than than the elder partner. What if BA had an onset of dementia which caused more and more isolation? What if she was the one who crumbled first in the bathroom, and GH was trying to get help when he fell? I've read that only she possessed a phone. So if GH were panicked, mightn't he head for the door rather than search for her phone? This would explain why one dog was still in its crate, if this happened in the morning.

There is a desire for isolation I fully understand. Most of us in New Mexico feel this way. But there is also a paranoia/unhealthy isolation that can rule one's life as they move into dementia. GH had been dependent on BA, and if she had moved into a less-healthy state of mind, it would have been a slow process and he wouldn't have noticed or been alarmed -- until it was too late.

that's an interesting theory. BA didn't have kids of her own to monitor her mental state (not that kids may have even noticed this), had not spoken to her own mother since October (per long-time housekeeper). Would GH's kids even had noticed any changes in BA? If they weren't close, and only called every couple of months, probably not.

 

[NuttMegg]

I have a few thoughts to offer, as a local and as someone who lived through her mother's dementia and paranoia. . . . Reading local coverage since I live in Santa Fe and the NYT, I'm struck by the "friends" who hadn't seen BA or GH in months, even years. Also the fact that family members said they only spoke to BA on the phone, when they could reach her. So I have a theory, unsubstantiated, that something was wrong with BA. This happens in May-December couples where everyone assumes the younger partner will outlive or enjoy better health than than the elder partner. What if BA had an onset of dementia which caused more and more isolation? What if she was the one who crumbled first in the bathroom, and GH was trying to get help when he fell? I've read that only she possessed a phone. So if GH were panicked, mightn't he head for the door rather than search for her phone? This would explain why one dog was still in its crate, if this happened in the morning.

There is a desire for isolation I fully understand. Most of us in New Mexico feel this way. But there is also a paranoia/unhealthy isolation that can rule one's life as they move into dementia. GH had been dependent on BA, and if she had moved into a less-healthy state of mind, it would have been a slow process and he wouldn't have noticed or been alarmed -- until it was too late.

2 phones found

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

2 phones found

See my comment abov. If GH didn't have a cellphone and hadn't had one for years, at his age and panic he may not have been able to work it. Having lived closely to two men in their 90s, I can imagine this scenario.

 

[NuttMegg]

See my comment abov. If GH didn't have a cellphone and hadn't had one for years, at his age and panic he may not have been able to work it. Having lived closely to two men in their 90s, I can imagine this scenario.

Maybe so. But we don't know he didn't have a cellphone and hadn't for years. Believe me I almost never ask for links, but you are supplying information that I haven't seen posted here. So could you supply a link? Thanks.

 

[al66pine]

Locations of Rx, OTC Meds.

Some of us may keep an Rx med in a certain location, like in a kitchen cabinet, on a kitchen counter, next to a recliner, on a night table, in the guest bathroom, or primary bathroom, etc. Maybe other Rx(es) in another location.
And some or all OTC meds in same or different place.

Without knowing about the specific habit or system at the Hackman - Arakawa home, imo it's hard to draw a solid conclusion identifying what the pills were and explaining why BA was on floor w pills scattered.

AFAIK, LE has not released any more info re meds.
Jumped ahead, posting without reading back, so I could have missed it.
But personally not expecting that LE or med. providers will release that info.

Friends visiting the home may have observed something about their meds. IDK.

 

[NuttMegg]

Locations of Rx, OTC Meds.

Some of us may keep an Rx med in a certain location, like in a kitchen cabinet, on a kitchen counter, next to a recliner, on a night table, in the guest bathroom, or primary bathroom, etc. Maybe other Rx(es) in another location.
And some or all OTC meds in same or different place.

Without knowing about the specific habit or system at the Hackman - Arakawa home, imo it's hard to draw a solid conclusion identifying what the pills were and explaining why BA was on floor w pills scattered.

AFAIK, LE has not released any more info re meds.
Jumped ahead, posting without reading back, so I could have missed it.
But personally not expecting that LE or med. providers will release that info.

Friends visiting the home may have observed something about their meds. IDK.

I have a feeling Gene wouldn't have completely disliked going out as an enigma.
With one of those little smiles he was so good at.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

I have a feeling Gene wouldn't have completely disliked going out as an enigma.
With one of those little smiles he was so good at.

There are a lot worse ways to go than passing away at home in your 90s.

 

[bmacmillan1]

Thinking that LE would be obtaining medical records from their GP, maybe it would shed some light on certainly her health and whether she had any chronic diseases

 

[LittleSeaTree]

I'm guessing they will autopsy the deceased dog. They definitely should. It's hard to believe a healthy dog the size of a GSD would just stay in a crate for days and days and die. No mention of the condition of the crate. I have had malamutes destroy a crate to get out of it when there.was a reason. A 50lb female Samoyed also, tear up a Kong crate which are supposed to be heavy duty. This is another mystery. Was that dog sick, drugged, or was it already deceased before the couple died.

My golden memory of photographing Gene Hackman in 2001, and the memento he left behind

Gene Hackman was unexpectedly game for a little fun during an L.A. Times photo shoot the year 'The Royal Tenenbaums' came out. But the real surprise came when the actor ad-libbed for the camera.

www.latimes.com

A fascinating story he toe-ld!

That’s beautiful! toe-ld… too funny

 

[avalonisland]

How do you know she carried a calendar, 2 phones, or medical chart? I don't recall that evidence other than items were found.

But I agree with you about not closing the crate completely. My own dog is in the house at night, but she knows how to get out if need be.

You are correct. The items were on search warrant but does not specify where all items found in house.