Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

[Bounceycat]

I don't see any evidence for the claims that Betsy did all the cleaning and housework. Realistically, if their house cleaner last visited on Feb 13 or 14, and came every two weeks - which would be within the norm for a house that big with only 2 occupants - they wouldn't have been due to visit again until the 27th or the 28th. The bodies were found on the 26th. MOO and just speculation on my part.

 

[Sunshynn]

The thing is— A pathologist would be able to determine if they died from any internal injuries, during the autopsy.
They peel the scalp back, examine the scalp, the brain, they look at all organs — I mean, it’s a lot..

Yes.
That’s why I’m saying that a fatal fall and a fall are two different things - jmo.

IMO, Betsy ‘fell’ because she suffered a medical emergency so she was either dead or incapacitated when she hit the ground.

Gene ‘fell’ rushing to help her or rushing to get the phone or lost his balance or any number of reasons and was as unhurt as a 95 year old could be but was unable to get himself off the ground without assistance.

Neither fall was what immediately caused the deaths. No broken necks, no open head wounds, etc.

MOO

 

[IceIce9]

then why did no one follow up on it?

A pacemaker does not alert when a person dies; it simply stops functioning as the heart muscle itself ceases to beat, meaning the pacemaker has nothing to stimulate, and therefore does not send any alerts as it cannot restart a dead heart

https://www.hrsonline.org/documents/end-life-and-heart-rhythm-devices/download

 

[ClearAhead]

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Refer this link, only preliminary (or initial) autopsy results have been released indicating no external trauma. Nothing else was reported, other than the CO test.

As the full findings to date were not released, that’s not proof nothing was found.

Gene Hackman And Wife Suffered 'No External Trauma': Preliminary Autopsy Results

There were "no apparent signs of foul play" in the mysterious deaths of Hackman, Betsy Arakawa and their dog, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office in New Mexico said.

www.huffpost.com

“The bodies of Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman, 95, and his wife Betsy Arakawa, 65, both had “no external trauma” when the two were found dead in their Santa Fe, New Mexico, home on Wednesday, according to preliminary autopsy results.
“An autopsy was performed,” the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office said in a Thursday statement on social media. “Initial findings noted no external trauma to either individual.”

 

[IceIce9]

The thing is— A pathologist would be able to determine if they died from any internal injuries, during the autopsy.
They peel the scalp back, examine the scalp, the brain, they look at all organs — I mean, it’s a lot..

A person can fall and not suffer injuries. In this case injuries from a fall did not cause death.

 

[IceIce9]

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Preliminary autopsy report findings in deaths of Gene Hackman, wife

Details are emerging about the preliminary autopsy report findings in the deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa. CBS News' Karen Hua reports.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ldlager]

Assuming gene was completely incapacitated, which is possible but we don't have any evidence of that.

Or they were both poisoned

 

[Quill]

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Here's the lingo thread. Lots of them there.

 

[dotr]

Streamed live 10 hours ago #genehackman #death #news18live
An investigation is underway after actor Gene Hackman, 95, and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, 65, were mysteriously found dead alongside a dog in their Santa Fe, New Mexico, home, authorities said.The couple was found on Wednesday during a welfare check, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office.

 

[Sarahlou]

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Preliminary autopsy reports are a thing.

From an NHS site:

A preliminary autopsy report is dispatched to the Consultant in charge of the patient within three working days of the autopsy. Case notes are normally returned with the full PM report within 3-4 weeks.

Post-Mortem Service

Information and instructions on how to use the Autopsy (Post-Mortem) service provided by the NHSGGC Pathology Department.

www.nhsggc.scot

 

[priyaya]

A person can fall and not suffer injuries. In this case injuries from a fall did not cause death.

thank you for explaining some of these medical questions. especially with the pacemaker, its been helpful and filling in a lot of holes here.
Okay next question
how would they know the date the pacemaker stopped? would they have been able to tell that without physically removing the pacemaker (such as in an autopsy)

 

[priyaya]

if there was a head injury or brain injury,

does that cover an aneurysm?

 

[Deleted member 235284]

A pacemaker dies not alert when a person dies; it simply stops functioning as the heart muscle itself ceases to beat, meaning the pacemaker has nothing to stimulate, and therefore does not send any alerts as it cannot restart a dead heart

https://www.hrsonline.org/documents/end-life-and-heart-rhythm-devices/download

Would there not be some kind of last signal to report that its stopped working? Or at the very least would the Doctors system not notice no further signals are being received?

 

[doublestop]

yes there is

Preliminary autopsy report findings in deaths of Gene Hackman, wife

Details are emerging about the preliminary autopsy report findings in the deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa. CBS News' Karen Hua reports.

www.cbsnews.com

I think the word preliminary is modifying the word report, not the word autopsy. They did the autopsy and now in a preliminary report, they say <whatever>. Then they will do the full report when toxicology is back.

 

[IceIce9]

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I'm assuming if they would have fallen or injured themselves, or if there was a head injury or brain injury,
that would have been discovered by the pathologist.” - Sheriff Mendoza

“In the early hours of Thursday, February 27, 2025, Mr. Hackman and Mrs. Betsy Arakawa were transported to the Office of the Medical Investigator. An autopsy was performed.” - Sheriff Mendoza

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Linking PDF which has all hyperlinked sources, in the PDF

Some falls do not cause physical injury.

Cardiac arrest can cause someone to fall, and the person often doesn’t suffer physical injuries in the fall.

 

[Cherwell]

"Once the pandemic began, Mr. Ashman never saw Mr. Hackman again."

Mystery of Gene Hackman’s Death Brings Grief and Bewilderment to Santa Fe

Residents mourning Mr. Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, are consumed by the unusual circumstances surrounding their deaths and why they were not discovered sooner.

www.nytimes.com

This may or may not be relevant to what happened to them, but the fact that they became extremely reclusive after the pandemic, in combination with the possible green phones, makes me wonder if there was some conspiracy thinking between them.

I know some folks who have really struggled with their mental health since COVID, and the pandemic was particularly hard on older people.

I know several people who have become much more circumspect with regard to their health since the pandemic. Nothing to do with mental health or conspiracies, but they feel themselves to be vulnerable due to being immunosuppressed, older, etc. So they avoid crowds as much as possible, still wear masks (someone said Betsy wore a mask when out shopping) and are generally more scrupulous about avoiding infections.

 

[IceIce9]

Would there not be some kind of last signal to report that its stopped working? Or at the very least would the Doctors system not notice no further signals are being received?

No, it would just stop working without sending an alert. The data can be retrieved and studied afterwards if there is reason to know the time of death. Often, there is no reason to know time of death so the data would not need to be examined.

 

[Cherwell]

Re autopsy results.
Quite simply, the full results of the autopsies have not yet been made public.

 

[priyaya]

Would there not be some kind of last signal to report that its stopped working? Or at the very least would the Doctors system not notice no further signals are being received?

from what i understand they saw the last reported time it recorded an event.
but I'm trying to figure out how they retrieved that information
from physically removing the pacemaker or not

 

[friendlysleuther]

does that cover an aneurysm?

Yes, an aneurysm is a brain injury
Source

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