Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

[Cardgame]

No, we can't rule anything out because the autopsy results have not yet been made public.
It will be some time before that happens as toxicology tests are needed for completion.

What could the toxicology reveal in terms of cause of death?

 

[slowpoke]

I thought 2 blue phones were found? Anyway. Maybe she had the mental decline. Maybe neither.

If she had a mental decline, it doesn’t seem apparent—from what we know so far.

What I have read was that she took “very, very good care of him” and was “always looking out for his health”, and credit her for keeping him alive, according to a daughter’s pov.

JMO

 

[priyaya]

What could the toxicology reveal in terms of cause of death?

poisoning, overdose

 

[Cardgame]

I thought 2 blue phones were found? Anyway. Maybe she had the mental decline. Maybe neither.

Gene Hackman’s pacemaker recorded ‘last event’ on February 17, sheriff says

Hackman, 95, and his wife Betsy Arakawa, 65, were found dead, along with one of their dogs, at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday.

www.standard.co.uk

Multiple sources have stated 'green'.

Which I find curious.

Usually the colour of a cellphone isn't particularly relevant, which is what made me wonder if they are these:

Greenphone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(I posted this above but this thread moves fast!)

 

[NuttMegg]

Guys, I'm confused about the pacemaker chat.

Can someone break it down real simple:

Are we saying the pacemaker *would* report an urgent event - but did *not* report his death?

What would count as an urgent event if not death?

Or is it possible the doctor did receive a report but didn't act upon it?

A pacemaker can stop, imo, but that wouldn't necessarily kill a person. But they could slip into brachycardia, ie too slow a heart beat and sooner or later lack of o2 could kill. JMO

 

[tomstrees]

They must have considered life in a high end nursing home or assisted living facility out of the question, but at least get caregivers in to take on a lot of the worries and stress; there are so many top notch care workers who are tremendous.

I have an older sister who lost mobility requiring dialysis and who was non-compliant with physical therapy, has been in a nursing home for over 6 years now. She like many others are hoisted out of bed with a Hoyer lift and then back later. It could have been avoided had she not been popping Tylenol pills with all the other drugs and willing to do physical therapy. I have an older friend in his late 80s who has also been deemed non-compliant, his wife is his main care-giver. He doesn't want to go into a nursing home because in NY you lose your assets to pay for it. I had a friend who was physically robust who developed heart issues. I gave him nutritional info on something that may help coq10. He ended up continuing to lose heart capacity to around 30%, had a heart transplant which bought him some time and did not want to have another one so died.

 

[priyaya]

which is what made me wonder if they are these:

i was wondering this as well. however it also made me think of my friend who lives rurally out in the foothills too.
they have issue with phone service and had to get satellite capable phones in order to have anything reliable for service. i assume in genes condition they would want fully functional phones for emergencies.

 

[NuttMegg]

Gene Hackman’s pacemaker recorded ‘last event’ on February 17, sheriff says

Hackman, 95, and his wife Betsy Arakawa, 65, were found dead, along with one of their dogs, at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday.

www.standard.co.uk

Multiple sources have stated 'green'.

Which I find curious.

Usually the colour of a cellphone isn't particularly relevant, which is what made me wonder if they are these:

Greenphone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(I posted this above but this thread moves fast!)

Maybe so
I never said it here but my first thought was why would 2 ppl choose the same color of phone. Endless mixup.

 

[Cherwell]

When I first saw the photo of him and Betsy, and the way he is clutching her arm, I assumed he literally needed to lean on her for support.

This is the one where he has a walking stick, and what I noticed is that it's the kind with a fairly straight handle.
This would not be as versatile as the traditional crook-handled type. I don't need a walking stick, but I have one of these which I take on country walks as it has multiple uses, from hooking brambles aside to pulling down branches when foraging for wild fruits. I've also used the crook to help me get up a steep bank, as you can hook it round a fence post and pull yourself up.

The point being that the crook handled stick is more likely to help you get up from a fall than one without the crook.

 

[Cardgame]

heres what google told me
it would have reported irregular pace (arrhythmia) but not death
also appears it wasn't a real time thing, it was a regular scheduled download.
the pacemaker stopped because the heart stopped and he was dead. there was no irregular pace reported

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A pacemaker can stop, imo, but that wouldn't necessarily kill a person. But they could slip into brachycardia, ie too slow a heart beat and sooner or later lack of o2 in blood could kill. JMO

Thank you.

 

[NuttMegg]

Thank you.

"JMO"

 

[Cardgame]

Maybe so
I never said it here but my first thought was why would 2 ppl choose the same color of phone. Endless mixup.

Right?

Surely the point of getting a 'colour' is to set it apart from the endless black devices!

 

[Bounceycat]

Gene Hackman’s pacemaker recorded ‘last event’ on February 17, sheriff says

Hackman, 95, and his wife Betsy Arakawa, 65, were found dead, along with one of their dogs, at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday.

www.standard.co.uk

Multiple sources have stated 'green'.

Which I find curious.

Usually the colour of a cellphone isn't particularly relevant, which is what made me wonder if they are these:

Greenphone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(I posted this above but this thread moves fast!)

Those stopped selling after 2007, according to the Wiki you linked. I don't know anyone, in their 90s, 60s, 30s or teens, who is still using a phone that is 18 years old. It likely wouldn't even work on modern 4g/5g networks, as I understand it.

 

[Quill]

Guys, I'm confused about the pacemaker chat.

Can someone break it down real simple:

Are we saying the pacemaker *would* report an urgent event - but did *not* report his death?

What would count as an urgent event if not death?

Or is it possible the doctor did receive a report but didn't act upon it?

In my experience with a parent's pacemaker, the doctor does not receive an alert during a health event. The doctor can pull a report to see what the pacemaker has recorded in the past, though. This would be something that LE will have already done, hence the report of the day the pacemaker recording his heart stopped. They will also be able to study the pacemaker activity prior to the heart stopping. It is not an alarm system and does not sent any emergency signals.

 

[Cherwell]

What could the toxicology reveal in terms of cause of death?

Drugs, poisons, dodgy seafood or mushrooms - anything harmful that had been ingested.

 

[ClearAhead]

This article is about how a man’s pacemaker was used to assist in recognizing his movements prior to his death. No foul play is suspected in GHs death, let alone a beating, but similarly perhaps the data will be helpful for LE in creating a timeline. JMO

BBM

Pacemaker pinpoints time of death in murder case - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“A murdered man's pacemaker has been used to give a coroner vital evidence about the victim's ordeal.

Almost two days after the man was beaten to death, doctors were able to view the pacemaker's records and produce data for the duration of the incident. By analysing the data they were able to pinpoint crucial times, including when he was awoken, time spent walking around, the altercation with the intruder, and the time of the beating and his death.”

 

[Quill]

This article is about how a man’s pacemaker was used to assist in recognizing his movements prior to his death. No foul play is suspected in GHs death, let alone a beating, but similarly perhaps the data will be helpful for LE in creating a timeline. JMO

BBM

Pacemaker pinpoints time of death in murder case - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“A murdered man's pacemaker has been used to give a coroner vital evidence about the victim's ordeal.

Almost two days after the man was beaten to death, doctors were able to view the pacemaker's records and produce data for the duration of the incident. By analysing the data they were able to pinpoint crucial times, including when he was awoken, time spent walking around, the altercation with the intruder, and the time of the beating and his death.”

Good info. It'll be interesting to see what they can learn from the data in this case.

 

[ClearAhead]

Drugs, poisons, dodgy seafood or mushrooms - anything harmful that had been ingested.

Yes and toxicology results also reveal if medications are present in equivalent dosage to the prescription. Opposite to an overdose, the absence if of interest because it indicates the deceased was not taking prescribed medication.

 

[slowpoke]

Very nice article of the couple, as remembered by dear friends.

One interesting tidbit Barbara Lenihan said of Betsy regarding the use of phones (since it has come up in our discussion):

“They were very private, and we certainly respected that,” Barbara told CNN, adding that Arakawa rarely used cell phones and would usually communicate by email.
(bbm)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/us/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-santa-fe/index.html

 

[Quill]

Very nice article of the couple, as remembered by dear friends.

One interesting tidbit Barbara Lenihan said of Betsy regarding the use of phones (since it has come up in our discussion):

“They were very private, and we certainly respected that,” Barbara told CNN, adding that Arakawa rarely used cell phones and would usually communicate by email.
(bbm)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/us/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-santa-fe/index.html

That is a very interesting tidbit. Thank you for posting.