Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

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Hantavirus is not uncommon in the southwest. They lived insular, isolated lives and they may not have wanted to go to a doctor if they'd come down with something.

Gene and Betsy were true lovers of their dogs and would never have intentionally done anything to endanger their lives, thus we need to rule any thoughts of suicide out; plus it would be totally out of character with people who had very strong wills to live.
MOO: I truly don't mean to be argumentative, but parents who love their children die by suicide all the time. I absolutely don't think we can rule out suicide just because Betsy loved her dogs. Suicide isn't that logical, especially when it's an impulsive act. It's possible she thought they would be found within hours and thought being crated when they were found was what was best for Zinna.

That said, I don't think any of this is likely - I just don't think it's safe to completely rule it out based on the information we have.

All of this is just my opinion.
 
  • #963
They definitely had wifi, he used to do online yoga classes so would need a pretty decent connection to do those otherwise he would get constant buffering/freezing
Depending on how GH was watching online Yoga he perhaps didn't need a WIFI connection.

Many smart TV have LAN ports for a wired connection to a network.

If he was watching the class on a computer (laptop or desktop) these devises can also be connected using a wired LAN port.

A wired connection would be much faster with less buffering then a WIFI connection.
 
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We don't know if they had a land line.

LOL. God point!!!!
I forgot everyone doesn't live like me.

Lots of people in Santa Fe have landlines, particularly older people and those with money. (they're not cheap) But having a landline means great connectivity, as opposed to cellphone coverage here, even with mountains. But a landline isn't always handy. And if the electicity goes out, phone and wifi do too.

Regarding unattended deaths and autopsies. My stepdad's daughter just died alone in Florida. He would have had to pay over a thousand dollars for an autopsy, which he chose not to do since he hasn't much money and knew she had health issues. So the rules about unattended deaths may vary by location, family wishes, -- or fame.
 
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If any one is going to have a landline its surely older rich people.
 
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And one more very specific Santa Fe thing. The preferred heating method by those who can afford it is radiant floor heating. Tubes run through the cement subfloor and carry warm water to heat the house. This is especially important because adobe construction, which I read they had, is very cold in winter. I would bet a million bucks, the Hackman's had heated floors. That might help explain the "mummification" process. We are in the high desert. It is very very dry, and then you add close contact to heat. (Of course, some people do have humidifiers. And wasn't a space heater mentioned in the media?). Just ideas. I do not know this for a fact.
 
  • #967
I was surprised by his statement which can lead to wild speculations.

"Kesler told Fox News Digital that he will never comment on or describe what he found when he entered their home on Feb. 26"


First I have heard anyone other than LE, First Responders and the Gas company entering the house. I can't see LE letting this guy stroll through the house with them and view the bodies upon initial arrival.

JMO
 
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First I have heard anyone other than LE, First Responders and the Gas company entering the house. I can't see LE letting this guy stroll through the house with them and view the bodies upon initial arrival.
Since he knew Gene and Betsy, might he not have been asked to confirm their identity?
 
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Regarding unattended deaths and autopsies. My stepdad's daughter just died alone in Florida. He would have had to pay over a thousand dollars for an autopsy, which he chose not to do since he hasn't much money and knew she had health issues. So the rules about unattended deaths may vary by location, family wishes, -- or fame.
SFSBM

Normally it would be up to LE to make the decision if an autopsy is to be preformed in an unattended death case. A family member not being able to afford or wanting to pay for an autopsy will not stop LE from having an autopsy preformed.

Many people with health issues drop over dead from many different things. Some are even killed before they expire from one of their health issues.

LE is not going to rely on someone having health issues to determine the manner of death in an unattended death situation. Beyond that the Medical Examiner is not going to issue a death certificate based solely on the fact someone with health issues died while being alone.
 
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Since he knew Gene and Betsy, might he not have been asked to confirm their identity?
I can't imagine a friend or family member being asked to do a visual identification on remains that long decayed, under those circumstances. It would be cruel and traumatic.

They were found at home, their identities are presumed without difficulty, and DNA or dentals is going to be used to confirm. No need to put a loved one through that.

MOO
 
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Since he knew Gene and Betsy, might he not have been asked to confirm their identity?
I doubt it. After 9 days they may not even been recognizable. And I doubt LE would ask someone to view a body in that condition.
 
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And one more very specific Santa Fe thing. The preferred heating method by those who can afford it is radiant floor heating. Tubes run through the cement subfloor and carry warm water to heat the house. This is especially important because adobe construction, which I read they had, is very cold in winter. I would bet a million bucks, the Hackman's had heated floors. That might help explain the "mummification" process. We are in the high desert. It is very very dry, and then you add close contact to heat. (Of course, some people do have humidifiers. And wasn't a space heater mentioned in the media?). Just ideas. I do not know this for a fact.
I actually have radiant heating where I live - in Canada! The entire building has cement floors with radiant heating. I guess it's the cheapest to maintain long-term?? (that's what they told me) because it doesn't require as many repairs.

I think it's fine. I have no strong opinion about it. It does the job. Even in Canada.
 
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Since he knew Gene and Betsy, might he not have been asked to confirm their identity?
I'd have to search up the link but I seem to remember that they did ask the guy to confirm it was gene and betsy.

He confirmed Betsy but was unable to confirm gene.

I'll add it here when I find it.
 
  • #974
Whatever. Media don't always get things right.
I'm sure if anything significant has been found we will hear about it.
I wasn’t trying to be argumentative - I think there is a lot of conflicting information floating around.
 
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MOO: I truly don't mean to be argumentative, but parents who love their children die by suicide all the time. I absolutely don't think we can rule out suicide just because Betsy loved her dogs. Suicide isn't that logical, especially when it's an impulsive act. It's possible she thought they would be found within hours and thought being crated when they were found was what was best for Zinna.

That said, I don't think any of this is likely - I just don't think it's safe to completely rule it out based on the information we have.

All of this is just my opinion.
Lots of things are possible of course and only after significantly more information is examined by the pathologists will they be able to make real scientific conclusions as opposed to conjecture which is what the buzz is at this point. There are all types of fatal or triggering toxins and weeks after death how many disappear leaving no traces? Toxins in the air, not necessarily carbon monoxide but some other gas in the air. Or toxins in food would explain nearly simultaneous deaths. A friend who ran an astronomical equipment company had an associate in another state that did alignment of binoculars and other professional work. I dropped off a pair of giant binoculars for him to align and was put off by long delays. I asked the company owner how "Kevin" was? He said Kevin had died. The friend suspected poisoning because Kevin had tell-tale signs of poisoning, back pain, etc.. He'd go into the hospital and get a lot better, come out and come down with the same symptoms. His wife was a suspect and they had the body cremated quickly. So no real investigation could be done.
 
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I'd have to search up the link but I seem to remember that they did ask the guy to confirm it was gene and betsy.

He confirmed Betsy but was unable to confirm gene.

I'll add it here when I find it.
I definitely remember reading that in the very beginning.
 
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SFSBM

Normally it would be up to LE to make the decision if an autopsy is to be preformed in an unattended death case. A family member not being able to afford or wanting to pay for an autopsy will not stop LE from having an autopsy preformed.

Many people with health issues drop over dead from many different things. Some are even killed before they expire from one of their health issues.

LE is not going to rely on someone having health issues to determine the manner of death in an unattended death situation. Beyond that the Medical Examiner is not going to issue a death certificate based solely on the fact someone with health issues died while being alone.
I can only tell you how it happened in one incident in Florida. That being said, it IS Florida. A single woman in her 70s found dead, and no autopsy was done. LE felt there was no foul play, but who knows? Since I'm in my 70s I now know that LE is capable of many surprising decisions.
 
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This article in People magazine says autopsy on GH is complete. It's a former NYC medical examiners theories of what may have happened.
 
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Going from memory, 911asked if he could unlock the door (for responders), perhaps he helped gain entrance, like through a doggy door, to open the door from the inside, for first responders.

JMO
Per the 911 tapes, It was Roland B who called 911 and was urging them to respond quickly. As far as I know, Neither Roland or Ryan K entered before the police per the reports. Roland B thought the doors were locked up and was more concerned to get down to the main gate to get police into the neighborhood than answer all the many scripted questions from Dispatcher regarding obviously deceased person spotted through the window. I see nowhere that either caretaker entered via a doggie door.
 
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