Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

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Gene and Betsy met in a gym in LA, where she was working. I'd bet she was in tiptop form.
They met in the 80's which was 40+ years ago when she was in her early 20's so I have no doubt that she was in great form while working at a gym.
I was saying about fitness professional now. MOO.

I think this is unfair. We don't know that she didn't try to contact Betsy.
I apologize if I came off insensitive as I was under the impression that she had given interviews to more than one news source.
 
BA was apparently an only child. Her mother was her only living relative and vice versa.

Whether one thinks it was right or wrong for the housekeeper to comment at all (unlike the couple's friends and employees who haven't been criticized for speaking & sometimes have been applauded) we don't know that she "went running to the media" or whether the DM came to her. If she's been after fame, I'd expect her to have gone to more than one outlet-- and not necessarily have chosen the DM. But like all the other comments on this subject, mine represent only an opinion.
MOO

What bothers me about Betsy’s mother’s caregivers comments is the DM knows darn well the story portrays Betsy in a negative manner and going by their track record it wouldn’t surprise me if they just printed partial clickbait attention-getting statements. This misconstruing tactic is often why people avoid talking to the media.

What if this woman had went on to say she provides biweekly reports to Betsy as the mother is in final stages of dementia, she’s lost her ability to speak and sadly shows no signs of recognition of Betsy? If so, DMs story wouldn’t be quite so interesting. JMO
 
They met in the 80's which was 40+ years ago when she was in her early 20's so I have no doubt that she was in great form while working at a gym.
I was saying about fitness professional now. MOO.


I apologize if I came off insensitive as I was under the impression that she had given interviews to more than one news source.
Thanks, @Sunshynn. I felt compelled to speak up for the caregiver, but in today's Daily Mail the "Dog Chiropracter" has an Exclusive Story. So I get it. I even thought it was weird of Gene's friends to talk about their friendship when they hadn't been in touch for years. I feel particularly sympathetic to the caregiver, who may be left in a very difficult position by Betsy's death-- and who I could imagine, in naïveté, speaking to reporters. Of course, I don't know. . .
 
Well, that's a criticism of the reporter then, not of the housekeeper/caretaker. And even with that criticism, it doesn't mean the other story-- how long it had been since BA called was untrue.
MOO
I offered no criticism of anyone, nor did I say that anything was untrue. I am not the first one here to wonder why the housekeeper wouldn't have rung Betsy. It's a natural question to ask, and perhaps it was asked but left out of the news article.
 
imo the caregiver didn't show any respect at all, of any type in seeking her 15 minutes of fame from the media in burning both BA and her mother. Whose on earth's business was it - the publicly detailed failing of the 91 year old patient"s memory. Maybe BA had excellent personal reasons for keeping the blabbermouth out of her information loop


Not criticizing you for your post, but what kind of loving caretaker does that.
What kind of people rake over the details of the deaths of a couple who, by all accounts, wanted nothing more than privacy?
 
This is such a mystery, I hope we hear something today. Just to put an end to all the negative speculation. Not just about how they died, but assumptions about his wife and kids and their relationships that are the complete opposite of what we have read.
Some people always seem to hope for the worst possible scenario.
I'm hoping that the causes of death will be announced, and that they are natural and/or accidental.
I've thought from the start that Betsy probably died suddenly and unexpectedly of a natural cause, and that Gene fell and couldn't get up without help. These things happen every day, but it's not so often that a sudden death indirectly leads to another.
 
What kind of people rake over the details of the deaths of a couple who, by all accounts, wanted nothing more than privacy?
I don't know what the caretakers motive was to go public. Iirc she even said she told BA's mother that her daughter had died, but she forgot all about it because of dementia. Paraphrased. Golden Rule time, imo. May the housekeeper realize there is such a thing, and would her own mother like to have stories like that disbursed to the media vultures.
 
Thanks, @Sunshynn. I felt compelled to speak up for the caregiver, but in today's Daily Mail the "Dog Chiropracter" has an Exclusive Story. So I get it. I even thought it was weird of Gene's friends to talk about their friendship when they hadn't been in touch for years. I feel particularly sympathetic to the caregiver, who may be left in a very difficult position by Betsy's death-- and who I could imagine, in naïveté, speaking to reporters. Of course, I don't know. . .
The care giver most likely no clue about talking to media and just responded naturally. I dont think she was meaning to paint Betsy in a bad light at all. Just worried the contact was less since October and she was worried. The media vultures I agree would focus on anything they could sensationalise in any way shape or form.
 
Going back to the question of the dog autopsy, the Daily Mail in an article dated today says it has taken place.
"A necropsy has also been done on Zinna the dog, the results of which are not yet known."

It's an interview with a veterinary chiropracter who may or may not have some insight.
Briefly, her theory is that Gene's pacemaker stopped working and the dog became agitated, jumping at him and licking him, which is the reason Betsy put her in the crate. Betsy then suffered a medical emergency herself.

 
What kind of people rake over the details of the deaths of a couple who, by all accounts, wanted nothing more than privacy?

Unfortunately all too often when anybody wealthy, successful and/or famous passes away, unknown details of their life and death become front page news. Instead of recognizing or admiring their accomplishments, it’s as if what gets the most attention from the general public is sensationalism if not downright scandalous reports. It’s a sad statement of how society has become, since hearing both sides of the story is not possible.

JMO
 
I don't know what the caretakers motive was to go public. Iirc she even said she told BA's mother that her daughter had died, but she forgot all about it because of dementia. Paraphrased. Golden Rule time, imo. May the housekeeper realize there is such a thing, and would her own mother like to have stories like that disbursed to the media vultures.
We don't know if the DM story is accurate (or if any outlet's stories are accurate) but the DM did not say she told the mother of BA's death. It said

"Keiko said Yoshie was informed by New Mexico police of her daughter's death on Wednesday, but due to her dementia she has now forgotten the tragic news.

'She talked to a New Mexico policeman the other day. But she has dementia so she forgot already. I feel so sorry for her,' the housekeeper, who has worked for Yoshie for 20 years, told DailyMail.com.

'She was very upset. But right now she's kind of normal."


MOO
 
We don't know if the DM story is accurate (or if any outlet's stories are accurate) but the DM did not say she told the mother of BA's death. It said

"Keiko said Yoshie was informed by New Mexico police of her daughter's death on Wednesday, but due to her dementia she has now forgotten the tragic news.

'She talked to a New Mexico policeman the other day. But she has dementia so she forgot already. I feel so sorry for her,' the housekeeper, who has worked for Yoshie for 20 years, told DailyMail.com.

'She was very upset. But right now she's kind of normal."


MOO
How did she know the mother had forgotten? Ask her? So I'm coming at this particular criticism from the aspect of having 2 close relatives with dementia. Would I remind them that their growm child had died? Would I pass the phone call from the police to either of my relatives to hear such news? No.

But thanks for the correction, I had that wrong.
 
How did she know the mother had forgotten? Ask her? So I'm coming at this particular criticism from the aspect of having 2 close relatives with dementia. Would I remind them that their growm child had died? Would I pass the phone call from the police to either of my relatives to hear such news? No.
Perhaps the mother was still speaking of Betsy as if she were still alive. That's often how it goes.
 
Perhaps the mother was still speaking of Betsy as if she were still alive. That's often how it goes.
I talk to people with dementia in their families, the one constant is that nothing is constant. It's so different in each mind. One of my relatives, we can talk for hours how it was when we were little, and they remember even more than I. Then there are the aspects far worse. But I definitely protect them from bad news if possible.
 
I talk to people with dementia in their families, the one constant is that nothing is constant. It's so different in each mind. One of my relatives, we can talk for hours how it was when we were little, and they remember even more than I. Then there are the aspects far worse. But I definitely protect them from bad news if possible.
I had to tell my Mum who has dementia that my Sister had died. Her death was sudden and traumatic. She lived a good distance away so my Mum wouldn't have regular visits. I thought about not telling her but the burden of such a secret was too much for me. It also felt like i was deceiving my Mum in the worst way. I told her but was frugal with the cause of death and she reacted as you would expect. Devastated, crying, asking questions. She forgot quite quickly and i will never tell her again. It is too cruel reminding those with dementia of such sad events as they react just the same each time as if first they knew of it. The Alzheimer's society in the UK suggest using diversion techniques if they mention the loved one. For example, i used to have an elderly neighbour with dementia and some nights to give his family a break, i would cook his evening meal. Once he got upset I hadn't made a meal for his wife who had died a few years before. Instead of reminding him she was dead, I started talking about the apple pie she would make me every sunday. He then joined in talking about her baking. Crisis averted. Sorry to digress but it a subject close to my heart.
 
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