I'd be surprised if any funeral/memorial was held involving the public and the media, if there is any event held at all.
Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3
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Maybe she checked on her husband and then laid down right away because she felt congested and ill. The next day (groceries still not put away) early she made those three calls to the clinic, set the appointment for 1:15pm.
Since it was stated it was her Thyroid meds on the counter, it in M00 looks like she made those calls then went to the bathroom to get her morning meds. Then collapsed and passed away.
Or she could have laid back down then got up to take her meds...
Thus missed her appointment and missed their calls because she missed the appointment.
There's also who gets possession of their ashes if they were cremated.
I can't see GH wanting to be buried in public view.
If he chose a burial then maybe he had a plot in a private cemetery?
So far we don't know of any relatives of BA besides her elderly mother and GH's nephew who commented on the funeral referred to GH's 3 children as just that, not his cousins, which to me indicates they may not be close?
It's sad situation across the board.
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Do you know if their toxicology reports had been completed when Sheriff Mandoza held his last presser?
I didn't remember hearing mention of them so I also checked the transcript, no info.there.
From GH's lawyer's filings with the court it appears that if they are completed it won't be released to the public.
It would be interesting to see which meds she had in her system and if possible when they were taken.
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I have never read anything yet about toxicology reports.
Thanks.
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The info we already have will most likely be it.
Sheriff Memdoza did say in his presser that he spoke with GH's family before the presser about their findings.
Families of the deceased can and do ask LE to refrain from giving out certain info about the victim to the public and LE has been known to oblige in certain cases.
Gene Hackman’s contractor claims he raised concerns about actor, wife Betsy Arakawa days before their deaths
Jesse Kesler, who had worked for the two-time Oscar winner, 95, and his wife, 65, for 16 years, claims he tried to organize a wellness check before discovering their lifeless bodies at their Santa …
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What Jesse claims is a first for me hearing that only a family member can get police to make a wellness check on someone.Gene Hackman’s contractor claims he raised concerns about actor, wife Betsy Arakawa days before their deaths
Jesse Kesler, who had worked for the two-time Oscar winner, 95, and his wife, 65, for 16 years, claims he tried to organize a wellness check before discovering their lifeless bodies at their Santa …
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I mean, it is the NYP, they probably made that part up.
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There are different msm saying it also.
Gene Hackman death: Dog led first responders to his body
“They realized (the dog) was trying to say, ‘Hey, come over here! Come over here!’”
Gene Hackman’s handyman tried to convince people actor and wife could be in danger
Jesse Kesler and Roland Lowe Begay were the two workers who discovered Hackman and his wife’s bodies
www.the-independent.com
ABC "Expert" Quoted. Other Points.
Hoping that distributions under the wills are made in accordance w their wishes expressed in the wills, without extended, expensive litigation, and without media circus.
ESTATE CONSIDERATIONS OTHER THAN THE WILLS?
SF Co. Assessor's office* indicates title to their 1425 Old Sunset Trail residence is held by a trust (presumably established by Mr. H. and/or Ms A). Mailing address for prop tax is a Tt'ee in NYC, NY. Ditto an adjoining property.
A person who is an actor, painter, or author of books (Hackman, a multi-hyphenate, was all three) needs to consider royalties or other residual income from that work, which may be generated for years. Was there a separate trust for this?
I recall reading (sorry, no link) an article referring to Hackman's charitable trust (a charitable remainder trust, perhaps?) not just a charity named in the revocable trust as a beneficiary.
I got the impression that their full or partial business ownership interests (like hers w a SF retail store & his in SF restaurant) had been sold, but they may have other business interests, local or elsewhere.
A celebrity-feature-article from several yrs ago said they own real estate in other states. Still? IDK.
MSM has been tossing around figures like $60 million net worth, which may or may not be accurate. Regardess, I hope they received sound advice re Fed. Estate & Gift Taxes.
Also hoping that the trust(s) are administered smoothly and that distributions to whomever, whenever, comply w trust terms.
[(ETA/clarification re ^. I hope not distributing w a court designating other beneficiaries, not named as such in document(s) executed ten or twenty yrs ago.
That's imo moo jmo on gen legal principle. W further info litigation could potentially reveal, I could rethink.
; ) Taps gavel. Court dismissed ; All rise. ; ) ]
BTW not suggesting any trust info should be made public.
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*"Physical Address:
1425 OLD SUNSET TRL
SANTA FE , NM 87501"
"Owner Name:
GROSS, EDGAR TRUSTEE OF"
"Owner Mailing Address:
1375 BROADWAY 21ST FLOOR
NEW YORK, NY 10018 "
sfcomaps.santafecountynm.gov
@SteveS Thank for your post. Agreeing that the atty being quoted in article is not well versed in estate planning. MSM reporting seems jumbled.
Hoping that distributions under the wills are made in accordance w their wishes expressed in the wills, without extended, expensive litigation, and without media circus.
ESTATE CONSIDERATIONS OTHER THAN THE WILLS?
SF Co. Assessor's office* indicates title to their 1425 Old Sunset Trail residence is held by a trust (presumably established by Mr. H. and/or Ms A). Mailing address for prop tax is a Tt'ee in NYC, NY. Ditto an adjoining property.
A person who is an actor, painter, or author of books (Hackman, a multi-hyphenate, was all three) needs to consider royalties or other residual income from that work, which may be generated for years. Was there a separate trust for this?
I recall reading (sorry, no link) an article referring to Hackman's charitable trust (a charitable remainder trust, perhaps?) not just a charity named in the revocable trust as a beneficiary.
I got the impression that their full or partial business ownership interests (like hers w a SF retail store & his in SF restaurant) had been sold, but they may have other business interests, local or elsewhere.
A celebrity-feature-article from several yrs ago said they own real estate in other states. Still? IDK.
MSM has been tossing around figures like $60 million net worth, which may or may not be accurate. Regardess, I hope they received sound advice re Fed. Estate & Gift Taxes.
Also hoping that the trust(s) are administered smoothly and that distributions to whomever, whenever, comply w trust terms.
[(ETA/clarification re ^. I hope not distributing w a court designating other beneficiaries, not named as such in document(s) executed ten or twenty yrs ago.
That's imo moo jmo on gen legal principle. W further info litigation could potentially reveal, I could rethink.
; ) Taps gavel. Court dismissed ; All rise. ; ) ]
BTW not suggesting any trust info should be made public.
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*"Physical Address:
1425 OLD SUNSET TRL
SANTA FE , NM 87501"
"Owner Name:
GROSS, EDGAR TRUSTEE OF"
"Owner Mailing Address:
1375 BROADWAY 21ST FLOOR
NEW YORK, NY 10018 "
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my understanding, if recent articles are correct, is that the trust is to benefit the charitable trust and that the charitable trust is to make donations to organizations in line with their charitable donations while still living. So to me that means no specific charity benefits under the main trust but that the TTEE will have broad power to determine which charities to give to and how much to give and in deciding such things should base their decision on what was important to the couple when living based on who and what they donated to while alive. Guessing animal charities and organizations meant to further the economic development of their city and region of residence. Just a guess.ABC "Expert" Quoted. Other Points.
@SteveS Thank for your post. Agreeing that the atty being quoted in article is not well versed in estate planning. MSM reporting seems jumbled.
Hoping that distributions under the wills are made in accordance w their wishes expressed in the wills, without extended, expensive litigation, and without media circus.
ESTATE CONSIDERATIONS OTHER THAN THE WILLS?
SF Co. Assessor's office* indicates title to their 1425 Old Sunset Trail residence is held by a trust (presumably established by Mr. H. and/or Ms A). Mailing address for prop tax is a Tt'ee in NYC, NY. Ditto an adjoining property.
A person who is an actor, painter, or author of books (Hackman, a multi-hyphenate, was all three) needs to consider royalties or other residual income from that work, which may be generated for years. Was there a separate trust for this?
I recall reading (sorry, no link) an article referring to Hackman's charitable trust (a charitable remainder trust, perhaps?) not just a charity named in the revocable trust as a beneficiary.
I got the impression that their full or partial business ownership interests (like hers w a SF retail store & his in SF restaurant) had been sold, but they may have other business interests, local or elsewhere.
A celebrity-feature-article from several yrs ago said they own real estate in other states. Still? IDK.
MSM has been tossing around figures like $60 million net worth, which may or may not be accurate. Regardess hope, they received sound advice re Fed. Estate & Gift Taxes.
Also hoping that the trust(s) are administered smoothly and that distributions to whomever, whenever, comply w trust terms (not w a court designating other beneficiaries, not named as such in document(s) executed ten or twenty yrs ago).
BTW not suggesting any trust info should be made public.
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*"Physical Address:
1425 OLD SUNSET TRL
SANTA FE , NM 87501"
"Owner Name:
GROSS, EDGAR TRUSTEE OF"
"Owner Mailing Address:
1375 BROADWAY 21ST FLOOR
NEW YORK, NY 10018 "
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Their source appears to be Mr Kesler though.
(At least the Independent; access was denied to the other one.)
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Some broad notes on your posts
1 As I mentioned before, GHs will is only going to handle assets that he owned personally at death (ie, it handles nothing that is designated as owned by a trust OR other legal entity that can own assets).
2 The existence of multiple trusts including a charitable trust tells me he had utilized the services of a topnotch planner to pass along assets to meet his wishes AND to avoid estate taxes.
3 My educated guess is that GHs intent was to own nothing (in his name) when he died, and the will won't even have to be probated because it has no assets to dispose of. Thus, if you challenge it, the best you can do is own all of that nothing or next to nothing. The assets you'd want aren't in that name.
4 Mention was made of royalty rights. No way that was ignored. Those are doubtless titled as already being owned by a trust. Not sure which one.
5 Assuming an 80M estate or so, the basic plan might have several trust (or other asset-owning) entities that he would use to hold assets. The goal would be to minimize estate taxes (with a goal of having nothing TAXABLE). Assets owned by the Living Trust would be taxable AFTER a certain amount that is exempt, but those going to charity arent taxed (thus a charitable trust or perhaps a charitable remainder trust, which would also offer tax reduction during his lifetime). He might also have had many assets he had gradually gifted (making the largest possible taxfree gifts rach year) to an IRREVOCABLE trust already OWNED by his intended beneficiaries (such as kids, grandkids) which he can use but they legally own -- that would not be taxable. The goal would be to have 0 owned by him, less than federal exemption of 13.5M ish owned by living trust, and the remainder either to charity or already technically owned by family.
... The little that we know hints that his advisors had him using all these methods to get his assets where he wanted, with no public scrutiny, little to no tax loss, no probate hassles.
6 Someone asked the cost of such help. Its almost impossible to say. The docs themselves would be customized but mostly boilerplate (because a trust is a trust is a trust) and easily doable for a few thou, but the large asset base would motivate a higher fee. It sounds like he may have also had assets being managed as he lived which would generate added fees.
If the family and advisors are discreet (and they have motivation to do that), we should never know any real details of how much there was and who got what. That's one major intent with such a setup.
Tlcya
Some broad notes on your posts
1 As I mentioned before, GHs will is only going to handle assets that he owned personally at death (ie, it handles nothing that is designated as owned by a trust OR other legal entity that can own assets).
2 The existence of multiple trusts including a charitable trust tells me he had utilized the services of a topnotch planner to pass along assets to meet his wishes AND to avoid estate taxes.
3 My educated guess is that GHs intent was to own nothing (in his name) when he died, and the will won't even have to be probated because it has no assets to dispose of. Thus, if you challenge it, the best you can do is own all of that nothing or next to nothing. The assets you'd want aren't in that name.
4 Mention was made of royalty rights. No way that was ignored. Those are doubtless titled as already being owned by a trust. Not sure which one.
5 Assuming an 80M estate or so, the basic plan might have several trust (or other asset-owning) entities that he would use to hold assets. The goal would be to minimize estate taxes (with a goal of having nothing TAXABLE). Assets owned by the Living Trust would be taxable AFTER a certain amount that is exempt, but those going to charity arent taxed (thus a charitable trust or perhaps a charitable remainder trust, which would also offer tax reduction during his lifetime). He might also have had many assets he had gradually gifted (making the largest possible taxfree gifts rach year) to an IRREVOCABLE trust already OWNED by his intended beneficiaries (such as kids, grandkids) which he can use but they legally own -- that would not be taxable. The goal would be to have 0 owned by him, less than federal exemption of 13.5M ish owned by living trust, and the remainder either to charity or already technically owned by family.
... The little that we know hints that his advisors had him using all these methods to get his assets where he wanted, with no public scrutiny, little to no tax loss, no probate hassles.
6 Someone asked the cost of such help. Its almost impossible to say. The docs themselves would be customized but mostly boilerplate (because a trust is a trust is a trust) and easily doable for a few thou, but the large asset base would motivate a higher fee. It sounds like he may have also had assets being managed as he lived which would generate added fees.
If the family and advisors are discreet (and they have motivation to do that), we should never know any real details of how much there was and who got what. That's one major intent with such a setup.
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Toxicology Test Results? Quote from NM Ofc of Med. Investigator at Sheriff's Presser Mar. 8
Per OMI, w Betsy's autopsy several specified lab tests were run, w negative findings.
Did not comment further about tox tests or results.
(Not clear to me what tox screens or tox tests were conducted.
Or whether they had not been completed and returned to OMI at time of presser)
But w other autopsy findings, OMI was able to determine Betsy's CoD as Hantavirus and MoD was natural.
OMI said same lab tests were run in conjunction w Gene's autopsy, also negative.
OMI made public announcement. FWIW
Hope this helps.
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"Dr. Heather Jarrell
"Good afternoon and thank you for being here. I'm Dr. Heather Jarrell, the chief medical examiner for New Mexico at the Office of the Medical Investigator. I'd like to begin by stating that it is unprecedented for the Office of the Medical Investigator to make public statements about death investigations.
"However, the circumstances surrounding these two deaths require accurate dissemination of important information. I've also spoken with the Hackman family prior to this conference who are aware of the autopsy findings and conclusions and are aware of this conference. On Thursday, February 27th, I performed an autopsy on Mr. Gene Hackman. Medical examiner Dr. Daniel Gallego at the Office of the Medical Investigator performed a full autopsy on Ms. Betsy Arakawa Hackman also on Thursday, February 27th. By report, Ms. Arakawa Hackman's legal name is Betsy Hackman which is how she will be referred to hereafter. The cause of death for Ms. Betsy Hackman, aged 65 years, is Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. The manner of death is natural. Autopsy examination and full body post-mortem CT demonstrated no findings of trauma internally or externally with microscopic findings consistent with Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. Laboratory testing was positive for Hantavirus at a clinical lab with required confirmation testing positive at Scientific Laboratories Division.
"Testing for COVID-19, influenza, and other common respiratory viruses was negative. Testing for carbon monoxide was negative.There were no other significant natural disease findings." (bbm)
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Gene
"The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman, aged 95 years, is hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with Alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor. Autopsy examination and a full body post-mortem CT examination demonstrated no acute findings of internal or external trauma and showed severe heart disease including multiple surgical procedures involving the heart, evidence of prior heart attacks, and severe changes of the kidneys due to chronic high blood pressure.
"Examination of the brain showed advanced Alzheimer's disease as well as blood vessel changes in the brain secondary to chronic high blood pressure. Laboratory testing performed at Scientific Laboratories Division was negative for COVID-19, influenza, and other common respiratory viruses. Testing for Hantavirus was negative.
"Testing for carbon monoxide was negative. Additionally, there were no autopsy findings concerning for Hantavirus infection. I have been asked when death occurred for these individuals.
"There is no reliable scientific method to accurately determine the exact time or date of death. Mr. Hackman's initial pacemaker data revealed cardiac activity on February 17th with subsequent pacemaker interrogation demonstrating an abnormal rhythm of atrial fibrillation on February 18th which was the last record of heart activity. Based on this information, it is reasonable to conclude that Mr. Hackman probably died around February 18th. Based on the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that Ms. Hackman passed away first with February 11th being the last time that she was known to be alive. Lastly, clinically, Hantavirus infection is characterized by flu-like symptoms consisting of fever, muscle aches, cough, sometimes vomiting and diarrhea that can progress to shortness of breath and cardiac or heart failure and lung failure. This occurs after a one to eight week exposure to excrement from a primarily particular mouse species that carries Hantavirus.
"The mortality rate of the Hantavirus strain in the southwest is about 38 to 50 percent. The Hantavirus strains in the United States are not transmissible from person to person and so this is an appropriate time to segue to Dr. Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian with the New Mexico Department of Health. But before I do so, I'd like to kindly ask for everyone to please respect the privacy that Mr. Gene Hackman, Ms. Betsy Hackman and their family and friends deserve. Thank you."
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@Izzylizzy @Warwick7
Per OMI, w Betsy's autopsy several specified lab tests were run, w negative findings.
Did not comment further about tox tests or results.
(Not clear to me what tox screens or tox tests were conducted.
Or whether they had not been completed and returned to OMI at time of presser)
But w other autopsy findings, OMI was able to determine Betsy's CoD as Hantavirus and MoD was natural.
OMI said same lab tests were run in conjunction w Gene's autopsy, also negative.
OMI made public announcement. FWIW
Hope this helps.
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"Dr. Heather Jarrell
"Good afternoon and thank you for being here. I'm Dr. Heather Jarrell, the chief medical examiner for New Mexico at the Office of the Medical Investigator. I'd like to begin by stating that it is unprecedented for the Office of the Medical Investigator to make public statements about death investigations.
"However, the circumstances surrounding these two deaths require accurate dissemination of important information. I've also spoken with the Hackman family prior to this conference who are aware of the autopsy findings and conclusions and are aware of this conference. On Thursday, February 27th, I performed an autopsy on Mr. Gene Hackman. Medical examiner Dr. Daniel Gallego at the Office of the Medical Investigator performed a full autopsy on Ms. Betsy Arakawa Hackman also on Thursday, February 27th. By report, Ms. Arakawa Hackman's legal name is Betsy Hackman which is how she will be referred to hereafter. The cause of death for Ms. Betsy Hackman, aged 65 years, is Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. The manner of death is natural. Autopsy examination and full body post-mortem CT demonstrated no findings of trauma internally or externally with microscopic findings consistent with Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. Laboratory testing was positive for Hantavirus at a clinical lab with required confirmation testing positive at Scientific Laboratories Division.
"Testing for COVID-19, influenza, and other common respiratory viruses was negative. Testing for carbon monoxide was negative.There were no other significant natural disease findings." (bbm)
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Gene
"The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman, aged 95 years, is hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with Alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor. Autopsy examination and a full body post-mortem CT examination demonstrated no acute findings of internal or external trauma and showed severe heart disease including multiple surgical procedures involving the heart, evidence of prior heart attacks, and severe changes of the kidneys due to chronic high blood pressure.
"Examination of the brain showed advanced Alzheimer's disease as well as blood vessel changes in the brain secondary to chronic high blood pressure. Laboratory testing performed at Scientific Laboratories Division was negative for COVID-19, influenza, and other common respiratory viruses. Testing for Hantavirus was negative.
"Testing for carbon monoxide was negative. Additionally, there were no autopsy findings concerning for Hantavirus infection. I have been asked when death occurred for these individuals.
"There is no reliable scientific method to accurately determine the exact time or date of death. Mr. Hackman's initial pacemaker data revealed cardiac activity on February 17th with subsequent pacemaker interrogation demonstrating an abnormal rhythm of atrial fibrillation on February 18th which was the last record of heart activity. Based on this information, it is reasonable to conclude that Mr. Hackman probably died around February 18th. Based on the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that Ms. Hackman passed away first with February 11th being the last time that she was known to be alive. Lastly, clinically, Hantavirus infection is characterized by flu-like symptoms consisting of fever, muscle aches, cough, sometimes vomiting and diarrhea that can progress to shortness of breath and cardiac or heart failure and lung failure. This occurs after a one to eight week exposure to excrement from a primarily particular mouse species that carries Hantavirus.
"The mortality rate of the Hantavirus strain in the southwest is about 38 to 50 percent. The Hantavirus strains in the United States are not transmissible from person to person and so this is an appropriate time to segue to Dr. Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian with the New Mexico Department of Health. But before I do so, I'd like to kindly ask for everyone to please respect the privacy that Mr. Gene Hackman, Ms. Betsy Hackman and their family and friends deserve. Thank you."
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Wow..thank you for all the info and it did help and also confirms that I didn't miss the ME saying anything about the toxicology report.
At Sheriff Mendoza's 1st presser he said they were waiting for the toxicology results.
The testing mentioned by the ME , Covid etc is a different lab testing than toxicology testing.
@ 11:30 Mendoza and Toxicology results
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“Nobody wants to publicly appear uncaring and out of touch”
Agree ^^^and my original thoughts were that she didn’t want to embarrass her father by saying that he hadn’t been in touch. But I have a feeling that it was the reverse because she could have chosen not to say anything. Her statement wasn’t emphatic as far as the time frame for when she spoke to him.
There may be a battle ahead between the siblings. His son has retained counsel to get a fact finding report on the estate. That’s a good start.
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Is there a better source than TMZ who are reporting that as fact? Looks more like a scandalous TMZ rumour for which they’re well known for initiating. There could be several valid reasons for a beneficiary to hire an estate lawyer.
Gene Hackman Left Fortune to Deceased Wife, Nothing for Kids
Gene Hackman's will has been unveiled -- and the two-time Oscar-winner left every penny of his fortune to his wife, Betsy Arakawa -- but there's a big twist.
www.tmz.com
IMO they are just hoping for a juicy story.Is there a better source than TMZ who are reporting that as fact? Looks more like a scandalous TMZ rumour for which they’re well known for initiating.
Andrew M. Katzenstein -- a prominent California trust and estate attorney -- has reportedly been hired by Gene's son Chris, who's the oldest sibling ... indicating he may challenge the will.Gene Hackman Left Fortune to Deceased Wife, Nothing for Kids
Gene Hackman's will has been unveiled -- and the two-time Oscar-winner left every penny of his fortune to his wife, Betsy Arakawa -- but there's a big twist.
Having read @SteveS 's illuminating posts, I don't think they have the tiniest clue how these things work.
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