Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

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Another question. If Betsy was her mother's POA, then who is in charge of her mother now

If she has alzheimer’s she’d likely be deemed mentally incompetent and therefore it would become a matter for the courts to appoint a Trustee to handle her financial affairs. This also prevents someone in the mother’s situation from being taken advantage of.
JMO
 
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IMO, the case is closed.

They both died of natural causes, no crime was committed.

It’s now a matter for family or legal reps to wrap up. IMO
I agree. And I see no reason for the media to publish these photos of Betsy or Gene or the inside of their home and not sure what could be gained for the public interest. Seems more like a case of voyeurism by the media, IMO. Betsy and Gene were, as YF notes, very private people and the legal arguments by YF and her attorney(s) appears to respect that. I am assuming that the mother has legal representation and that they have prepared the court documents. I hope they prevail.
 
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If she has alzheimer’s she’d likely be deemed mentally incompetent and therefore it would become a matter for the courts to appoint a Trustee to handle her financial affairs. This also prevents someone in the mother’s situation from being taken advantage of.
JMO
Oh whew. Her mother's protection and safety were my main concerns here in her condition.
 
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TMZ is creating more drama. It was Julia Peters, representing the estate who filed the first request asking that photos and video of the bodies not be released. ‘The estate’ (ie trusts) belongs to the beneficiaries now, so that’s who she is representing. Technically TMZ can claim the wishes she expressed are specifically coming from each of the family members, so their story specifies the source as Betsy’s mom.

This is a good example of the desperation of TMZ to continue spinning this story. It’s not about anyone fighting for the will, it’s about not believing what the tabloids want you to think.

JMO

“Julia Peters, representing the estate through the Sommer Udall Law Firm, filed a legal petition Tuesday to prevent the Santa Fe Sheriff's Office and the local medical examiner from releasing documents related to the case, particularly photos and video, such as body-worn camera footage..”
Thank you for breaking this down.
The reason that didn't make sense to me was the spin, which is clear from the NBC article. Sadly I didn't get that version in my news feed.
Like I mentioned in another response, Betsy's mom's protection/well being was my main concern here.
 
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I agree. And I see no reason for the media to publish these photos of Betsy or Gene or the inside of their home and not sure what could be gained for the public interest. Seems more like a case of voyeurism by the media, IMO. Betsy and Gene were, as YF notes, very private people and the legal arguments by YF and her attorney(s) appears to respect that. I am assuming that the mother has legal representation and that they have prepared the court documents. I hope they prevail.
While I personally do not need to see any of it, it's public record, and it closes the case against any conspiracy theorist or anyone else looking to further disturb their privacy in the future.
In my opinion the judge made the right ruling in releasing some portions saying that privacy of the estate doesn't override the legal records obligations of the state..
 
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Testimony from the hearing yesterday regarding releasing video and photos.

Seems estate is worried about burglars breaking into the house and stealing possessions they may see in the media of items within the house.


 
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Judge rules photos of Gene Hackman death not to be released​


 
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Testimony from the hearing yesterday regarding releasing video and photos.

Seems estate is worried about burglars breaking into the house and stealing possessions they may see in the media of items within the house.


Like I understand that, but its a double gated private property that backs into a cliff. I'm sure the estate has enough to secure the items, like any other estate would do.
 
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Like I understand that, but its a double gated private property that backs into a cliff. I'm sure the estate has enough to secure the items, like any other estate would do.
According to the attorney that testified as an expert. Santa Fe has a big drug problem and those people steal things to support their habit. I really don't think Tweekers will be deterred from breaking into the Hackman house if there is no video guiding them to where the valuables are located within the house. They will steal everything and anything they can get their hands on and sell easily for a quick buck.

If the house wasn't in the gated community I can see the house being broken into, but I don't think that would happen with the security already in place, even if video was released.

Didn't Gene already put the house on display in a magazine article years ago? He apparently wasn't too worried about people seeing the interior of the house and his possessions back then.

JMO
 
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Omitting Vital Information?
These notes ^ and the others speculating about the disposition of the will, and the assets, and the bodies, are generally not exactly wrong, but they are omitting vital pieces of information that bear strongly on an understanding of what is obviously happening. Please let me include a bit more info, and offer some clarification.

1 GH and BA are entirely separate estates and bodies, with their own independent choices made. I am going to refer to GH in explaining, but same is true for her.
2 "What to do about GH's body" is not an item handled by his will and a probate - those cover the retitling of assets left behind in GH's name (or personal items of his with no particular ownership title on them), which now need a different owner. OTOH, a dead body itself (or cremated remains) are not owned by any person.
Someone will be given the control of their disposition. There is likely a document that GH did covering the disposition of his remains and who he authorized to make those decisions, with alternates as needed. If no such doc was done, his "closest living kin" would be the default decision-maker(s).
4 The determination of whether a formal probate of $50,000 plus in assets is necessary is a question that handles itself, and the court allows the designated Executor of the will (in this case, an attorney) to file it as informal probate (in practical terms, no probate) if they expect there are minimal assets that are being handled by the will. That's what the reporting suggests.
5 What if there are really way more GH-titled assets to be handled by a probate? Again, that question is answered by itself -- is the court being presented with GH assets to retitle that exceed that number? The executor should have a good feel on what they will need retitled at some point (if anything) so there's not an incentive to leave things out (which are then stuck in ownership of GH who is dead).
6 Note also that assets "handled by the will" are going to end up owned and handled by the GH Trust anyhow, and those placed in charge of it, because the ony named beneficiary of the will is the GH Trust. So there's not really a conflict over what is handled by the will (if anything) vs the trust.
7 It's also common for such a trust to designate a disinheriting of anyone who contests the estate. So in light of the smaller limit of assets being handled by the will, there's not much incentive to bother to contest it.
8 Legally the state is going to want to honor GH's wishes of what he wanted to do with his assets, and the only question will be whether these were truly his wishes. But considering GH has had this trust in place for decades, that question won't be much in doubt.
9 There does seem to be plenty of indication that GH did want to leave a substantial sum to family members, and perhaps the vast bulk of his estate.
10 As for BA's assets, it appears they are set up to be administered by the attorney or some other hired trustee, and used for the continued care of her mom, until her mom passes.
@SteveS Thanks for your detailed comments, especially helpful to non-attys & to members less familiar w navigating the world of wills, trusts, estates, & succession.

My earlier post,* quoting & linking a section of NM probate code included this caveat:
"Speaking generally re law in NM* (& some other states), not to this case specifically."

Not intending to be cantankerous as I am occasionally, LOL, but am a bit puzzled about why ^ post referring to numerous posts "omitting vital pieces of information" relevant to this specific case was made as a response to mine.

I'm not questioning accuracy or disagreeing w ^ content; like many members here, I appreciate & look forward to your comments.
imo

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* My earlier post was #1107.
 
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According to the attorney that testified as an expert. Santa Fe has a big drug problem and those people steal things to support their habit. I really don't think Tweekers will be deterred from breaking into the Hackman house if there is no video guiding them to where the valuables are located within the house. They will steal everything and anything they can get their hands on and sell easily for a quick buck.

If the house wasn't in the gated community I can see the house being broken into, but I don't think that would happen with the security already in place, even if video was released.

Didn't Gene already put the house on display in a magazine article years ago? He apparently wasn't too worried about people seeing the interior of the house and his possessions back then.

JMO
bringing up the Santa Fe drug community is a huge stretch given the distance from town of the property, the gated community, and the power of the estate to protect the property until it is cleared. A BS argument imo.
 
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This case has had a lasting effect at least in Santa Fe. Every conversation it seems touches on these deaths, even still. Hantavirus, pet directives, crates, trusts, having community in one’s life. Quite a legacy in positive ways. We crate our dog when we go out. (Separation anxiety and destructive behavior.) We’ve told several neighbors if something happens to us, please check on Cookie in the crate!
 
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I'm not surprised.
Learning about hantavirus has shocked me, and would have terrified me if I lived in a place where I might catch it. Thankfully I don't.

A disease that lulls you into a false sense of security by mimicking common but non-fatal virus infections, so you think you will feel better in a few days. Then it kills you. 😱
 
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I'm not surprised.
Learning about hantavirus has shocked me, and would have terrified me if I lived in a place where I might catch it. Thankfully I don't.

A disease that lulls you into a false sense of security by mimicking common but non-fatal virus infections, so you think you will feel better in a few days. Then it kills you. 😱
Here's a chart from the 2012 hantavirus outbreak in Yosemite, three died. Betsy may have been exposed to it weeks before she became sick.

 
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Was this the open door?
 
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Wahs this the open door?
yes. this is the mud room area with the dog door on the left.
the police listed it as open and the initial caller said he couldn't get in because the doors were locked. We dont know who opened it, but its assumed it was either left open by gene/betsy or possibly the caretaker who later opened it
 
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Two surviving dogs will be separated.

Wow.... Betsy paid the dog chiropractor to fly in for treatment from California.
Just more and more Amazed at the lever of caregiving Besty gave in her life. I cant imagine the care she would have given to Gene in his retirement years

'Betsy was extremely generous and thoughtful,' she says. 'For the first year, (she) gave me first class tickets to fly back and forth to treat her dogs and the other animals in the community."
 
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yes. this is the mud room area with the dog door on the left.
the police listed it as open and the initial caller said he couldn't get in because the doors were locked. We dont know who opened it, but its assumed it was either left open by gene/betsy or possibly the caretaker who later opened it
Ah, so that's the mud room, I think it's attached to the kitchen. The maintenance men/caretakers said in the videos that the couple usually left all the doors open/unlocked.
 
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Ah, so that's the mud room, I think it's attached to the kitchen. The maintenance men/caretakers said in the videos that the couple usually left all the doors open/unlocked.
He had just come in or was going out based on sunglasses, cap and I think his cane, that door, where he was found.
 
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