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[wenwe4]

Taped recording . . JA w/Det Flores . . .
any weapons used?
look like might be
gun?
don't know - did TA have any weapons?
his 2 fists . . .he was into ufc

so that was the truth?
no that was a lie
you lied to him again
yes

talked about a lot of things . . .
what little he could tell me
and what little he could tell you

relation with tA
somewhat - idn't get into it

Det said Thursday thru yesterday for timeline
I knew that was not true
you had all the cards information when you called Det Flores
you knew you had been the person to kill him
yes
you wee there on 6/4 and you knew all that when you were talking with Det
that is right
didn't know how matters would eventually unfold
I had good idea
your not a prognosticator of the future
um no

didn't know what wsa going to be important
I was not thinking along those lines
point investigation away from you
for time being
when they spoke w/you on 15th said not even there
yes
then told them a man and woman did it
that is right
stuck wit that for couple of years

didn't know important back in 2008 it would be important about the guns - you could not see the future
not why I said it
lack of sophistication
it was a calculated statement
it was not a technique on part of Det . . . issue of techniques discussed . . . when you calledhim you were running the conversation . . . you could stop it at any time
yes
you could walk out
I could have stopped not walked out
on that date you could have stopped and walked out
yes

on 6/10/08 - if you wanted to tell him you knew more about it he would have listened?
yes
based on what you feel about conversation - tell Det. Flores you knew what happened
he would have listened

not the truth . . . TA never went shooting guns . . . never saw him put him put any gun in his hand . . . one gun it was his. . . . I discovered it in fall 2007 . . . . when did you say you knew fall 2007 - that is the one . . . . found it somewhere . . . where was the ammunition? inside the gun . . .

he told me it was not loaded in fall 2007 . . . .he took it one night when he was . . .
haven't received statement to the contrary
I did receive statement tocontrary

in this recording you say no TA had no guns but he had gun
yes he had one
your grandfather had small gun
I don't know how small
was it big long one?
that was only one I ever saw

you said in burglary 5/28/08 look like toy gun . . . taken from your room $10 and $20 . . . your laptop not taken . . . no my laptop was with me. . . . you said it was in the hamper . . . no I said it was lucky that I had it with me normally it goes in laundry hamper . . . I took it every where woth me . . .

everything I noticed . . . I reported . . . officer allow you to go into room to report . . you were there until 1:00 afternoon
no
later than 1?
I was there @ 1 . . . my sister and I
ever a mention of your sister?
when Yreka officer testified was there ever mention of your sister?
I don'tthink so
you were out of house and called to respond there . . . you indicated you were last to be there @ 1:00 - came back after 3 . . . I came as soon as my sis checked her voicemail . .

items taken incuding 25 calib handgun. . . .like a toy gun . . . had a purse . .. carried your items in .. . purse . . . toy gun could have fit in your purse?
I don't know I never seen it
how about the gun you used to kill TA . .. wasn't very big . . .could fit in your purse
if I removed other items yes

burglary happened before going on trip . . . 10 days after the sex conversation? it would be 18 days. . . still have conversations with TA . . .didn't plan to go visit him

not plan when I hit the road. . . in calif - @ starbucks drinking frap . . . go in and come out .. .something happened to your car . . .I think it was that time it happened . . how long inside starbucks 5-10 min . . . restroom, longline. . made drink , came out to car - skaters there it was @ night . . . don't know time . . .between 9-10 . . .not toolate . .

skaters laughing snickering skating away from your car . . . pavement not dirt. . . see something in front of you - pulled inforward . . . .sidewalk in front?there was a curb . . bumper near it . . . starbucks was behind and to right of vehicle . . . skaters - think there were 3 . . . there are lights in parking lot . . .turn car on get ready to leave . . .turn on lights - something catches eye . . . began to back out . . . why do you care if something out in front of you . . .reflector it was reflective . . . . I better check that out before I leave . . .it lit up more than anything aroiund it . . it was flat . . it was just a flash . . I din't see until I got out that it was licenseplate . . .

 

[wenwe4]

have no idea whether this license plate belonged to your car . . I had idea . . you didn't take time to go to back plate to see if it matched . . .just grabbed it . . . take it without checking and put in front floorboard . . .

did it occur to you to check license in back . . I more concerned about getting into the car . . .if concerned for safety why getting out . . . wasn't concerned until after I saw it. .

concerned for your safety . . . getting in car and lock doors check back didn't occur tome . . .safety was a concern . . wasn't scared . . . locked doors quickly and turned car on quickly . . . not so concerned for safety - you got out and investigated . . I didn't know what it was . . .shiney . . .(ooohhhh Shiney!!!)

place of safety?
public place @ night locked doors . .
your car? you could just drive away . . you can back up . . . and move forward and leave if wanted to . . .
instead of concern for safety . . .wasn't concerned @ that time . . . saw bright flash when headlihts hit it
objection - gone over it 3 or 4 times

how did you tell if it was reflective if I was flat?
it was tipped on the curb

 

[wenwe4]

the front of the car came up to the sidewalk area?
there was no sidewalk
came up to the cinderblock . . . as you backed up it is now leaning so that whe you back away it flashes . . . they took time to remove the license plate . . . to put it up against cinder block . . .

objection - sustaine rephrase

pulled in . . went into starbucks . . . car with people around it . . some kids near car - not near front of car . . I didn't se them crouched down . . .didn't give it any deep thought . . .front of car was next to the cinder block . .. it was leaning toward the driver . . backing up it flashes . . . did't know what it was if it was standin up leaning and didn't know what it was . . . I am nearsited and didn't get glasses until 2010 . . .
it was square
it was rectangular - it made a reflection
caught your attention as back outyour know license plates are reflective - on one side they have numbers and letters - back is typically white . . . license has numbers letters and bugs and you don't know what it was

objection - she already said..

afternoon recess - back @ 3:25

 

[wenwe4]

TA guilted her into coming to see him . . . she liked it . . . had potential romantic interest in RB . . . on trip for PPL . . . and TA's is guilting her . .. had another beau but still exposes herself to him . . she liked it when TA when he guilted . .. it was not unpleasant . . . .

technical difficulties - it will take about 3 minutes

 

[wenwe4]

JM just did a little dance as he stood up from leaning on the desk . . .
and we are back

 

[wenwe4]

call it guilt but you were flattered. . . going to see RB but now coming to see TA . . .now have at least 12 gal worth of gas . . . . I hav the 2 fives . . . .

you have a tankful . . . 2 five gallon and an extra 2 gal . . these cans are in the trunk of the car . . . even though you have gas in the back in the cans you get gas . . . you could have used gas in cans but decided not to . . . receipt for Desert center/ . . . can't say no receipt . . . can't say I didn't keep it . . . gas receipts yes but trip to tA wasn't PPL . . so . . . well he was ED of PPL you could have put it on taxes . . . . yes if I wanted to cheat on taxes . . . so you lie to police but not on your taxes?

objection - sidebar!

 

[wenwe4]

there was a receipt from Desert Center but I don't know where it is . . .

amount of $ it takes to fill up car - if we go with Winnemucca . . . approx. $40 wasn't it? . . . it was 12 gal . . . came to AZ and stopped @ buckeye and filled up again . . over 12 gal . . . no evidence to that effect Objection

exhibit #237 - bad exposure . . .

price $4.169 for 8.3 gal . . . .
@ Buckeye use Master card debit or cash . . .
pretty sure I used cash not positive

12 gal @ $4 per gal . . . objection .hypothetical overruled

$48 at buckeye and desert center . . . add that to $85 in Calif . . . $181 total - assuming math is correct . . . most you had was $200 when you left on the trip . . .now out of money? . . not necessariliy . . . under this hypothesis yes . . .

get to TA's house .. . see him & watch videos . . . him guilting you - you free to say no . . free to walk away @ anytime (at that point in time) . . . . made decision in love? . .. I did love him then . . .had strong feelings for him still . . . purpose going there was sex?

not in love with him in the same way anymore . . . did love him . . . yes . . .5/10/2008 you and he talked heatedly about sex . . . if you were not in love with him - you were going there to see him to have sex . . . nothing forced . . . get there go to sleep not immediately - he doesn't force self upon her . . . get up around 1:00 afternoon when both awake . . . don't remember eating . . . (yet) . .after the sex I had a banana and he had oatmeal . . . rope was used . . .length was approx. 20 feet . . . from JA toFlores in the courtroom . . . remember talking to Dr. Saniels . . . you told him it was 20 feet . . I think I approximated it . . . . I he has 20 feet written down . . . I may have said 20 feet but I was still guessing . . I might have - we didn't measure the rope . . . told saniels TA and I took pics of him and him of me while he was penetrating and he took pics on top of you . . . on the video . . wasn't photos but video . . . photos I think I said video . . . not photos . . . answer is no . . .

engaged in activity . . . you are tied up @ some point . . . loose enough to get out anutime . . at some point not going well . . not as pleasant as thought . . . .ropes were cut prior to being tied up so we could tie the nooses . . . I could slip my hands in and out . . .where did the piece go that you didn't use? it was there - in bedroom or bathroom or thrown aside . . he wsa in the bathroom and I was @ the bed . . he went down the hallway not the closet . . . first he cut it and then he came back to the bed . . .. she pulled end in the bedroom - he was in the bathroom . . . checking on the length of the rope . . he cut it in the bathroom . . cut it was too long to make nooses on the ends . . . only way is to make it fit is to cut it exactly around body part . . . .

you knew the plan
I knew I was being tied up . . .
you say rope must be perfect length in order to tie you up
object - overruled
what was the question?

 

[wenwe4]

he wasn't going to hog tie you . . . you were not going to be immobile
objection she doesn't know what he wanted .

you don't have to have the exact tie .. . or exact noose
I don't know what kind of knot . . . called nooses
you tied shoes before same sort of thing . . . a knot only thing required . . . no exact ending to the rope - rope can be whatever length . . . you don't need to be cutting do you?
I didn't cut it so I don't know
you were participant - you know you could take end or middle of rope and tie it . . .possible and no need for a knife
I guess not
in this case look @ exhibit #63

 

[wenwe4]

The rope was only held by her wrists and put behind the sleigh headboard - didn't last verylong . . . not taking bed linens off the bed . . not at that point . .. they are only being into each other . . . rope is still there? just pulled hand out of the rope . . .right hand out and left hand and continued with whatever activity because previous activity was uncomfortable . . . what position did you take?
I think that is when the photos began
start to take the photos
yes

#166, #165 thru 169 (the naughty pics???)

 

[wenwe4]

look @ these pictures. . . there is KY but nowhere do you see any rope do you?

no . .
continued with sexual acts and pulled hands out of the rope - long enough to go all way round the back . . . nothing to hold it up . . . all the way down to ground . . after I took my hands out

let me ask questions . . . rope is behind there . . nothing to hold it up . .. not best headboard to tie people up . . . your legs in this portion of the bed . . .we look @ another photo

exhibit #64 - this is the armour you told us you were leaning against when man and woman came in . . . pointing @ the bed . .. left arm would have been here and feet here . . . blankets and sheets were ther . . I slipped hands/wrists out of the rope . . .gravity has rope already down on ground . . .

it was too short - it was pulled taunt . . .

talking about this rope you claim he tied you up . . . there is nothing behind this headboard . . . exhibit #66 . . . not mission style - no slats more like a sleigh . . . nothing to hold a rope draped around it
I guess not
you were there you person tied up
yes
right arm andleft arm pull out . . .
if that were the case but it wasn't - I never talked about the rope reaching the ground . . the rope was tight

if rope was tight - you can't get wrists out .

the rope was pulled tight
your wrists were covered/circled your wrist
correct - the nooses were loose enough to pull hand out

if pulled taunt and you pull hand out it is still in place?
don't know if it's loose or tight - go to the ground or lose
it was pulled tight but nooses lose enough to pull hands out

where is the rope?
where he left it in that room o bathroom

most people don't have knife in their bedroom - he didn't usually have one
correct
didn't see one usually

he cut rope in the bathroom - come into the bedroom with knife or leave it in the bath . . don't remember . . .

do you remember telling saniels . . he cut rope off your wrist . . . oh Richard Samuels (sorry about misspelling) . . .told him it was on night stand . .. . use to cut the rope
I remember speculating about that
are you sure you used the word speculating
I am not sure I used the word speculating when I was speculating . . .
knife was not used to cut my wrists but the rope

knife was not necessary to cut it off of you . . . not what was done . . . slipped hands out . . continued with activity

keep talking about a movie . . . wasn't made with TA's camera if there was one. . . I don't remember which camera we used . . his was kind of new so I kinda of had problems. . . I don't remember saying I couldn't

do you remember saying it couldn't be done?
no I was talking about the time

exhibit #167 - talking about this particular photo . . I wastrying to set up the camera so we could take a video but it didn't work . . .

you said couldn't . . not that I couldn't . . . I didn't want to figure it out . . . I could do it just didn't want to take the time . . . couldn't remember what ccamera we ultimately used. . .

what are we talking about here?
do you have any problem understanding.

objection - overruled

answering question to best of memory (nurmi and Wilmot look anxious!)

you and TA attempting to use his camera to videotape the activity . .
I don't remember specifically saying that but it would be accurate

now you changed your testimony from a couple min ago
you are asking different questions
you got up and got your camera
yes
this camera used to videotape
yes

where is the rope
at this point I think it is on the floor

don't mean to be expoitave but lets start with #166 . . . TA . . this is the corner of the bed . . . where you are tied up . . . take your hands out - that rope will remain there
another view #168 - this is where your hands were - here is where the ropes are - not anymore . . . not when that photo was taken

you and TA had something to eat . . . a lull in days activities . . . why not go home at that point. . you already had sex . .. having sex wasn't only reason . .wanted to spend time together . . . with someone you already described as a bully

objection - sustained
judge may we approach?

(she did describe him as a bully previously iirc!)

 

[wenwe4]

he wasn't just a bully . . .

in Aug of 2007 when he is banging his head on closet door . . then grabs you and hugs you that is bullying
I didn't feel that was bullying . . . when I feel bullied

look for cd's afterward . . . where did you keep your camera . . . my Olympus that is the one used . .. the Olympus videoed he sexual acts . . .viewed it after and deleted immediatey . .. and the pictuers n his camera . . to my knowledge . . . he did the deleting . . could be . .

ja was not engaged in deleting his pictures . . . first exposure you had with tht camera . . .hadn't seen . . heped him buy the camera telephonically . . . cmera he had before the sex acts on that day . . .prior to june 4th never deleted photos on camera . . . after sex acts he was involved in deleting pics. . . ja did some deleting on that phone that day with the shower pictures.

JA wants to restrict selvs with the sexual acts. . . . not 100% if he or she deleted but thinks he deleted them .. . up until that time never deleted pics from that camera . . .

went downstairs . . . don't know when deleted photos . . .

no deletion . . don't know if downstairs or some later time . . . go downstairs don't know if images deleted . . . is that when you took shower?
don't know if I ate the banana or took shower first
was he in bathroom when you were taking shower
at one point yes then after no

only shower you took that day
I don't know I have a lot of memory gaps
that is when the memory gaps start
yousaid whole day

I don't know the time but we took a shower after sex - I did

photo #165 . . recognize that
yes . . . it's my stuff down there
a picture of your rearend . . .
1:44 pm

after 1:45 in afternoon did you take shower
yes after not immediately after
before or after ate banana
he was there for a time and then he left
you took shower in the same place after you placed his body after you killed him

you were wearing same clothes you killed him in .
after shower he was downstairs in the office
yu went down there
yes
whre was your camera
do't know if I put it in the car

June in Mesa in very hot car where temps go over 100 degrees
don't remember if it was in the house r car
luggage and toiletries and clothing out to the car when?
not remember exact moment - after 1:45
yes
before 5:30
probably I don't recall
photos of him shower are @ 5:30 had you taken your luggage downstairs . . . you testified you put luggage in the car
luggage yes not sure about camera
other bag went into the car before

backpack, suitcase,laptop, camera case, ?

laptop when pulled cds out . . . before 5:30?
laptop I don't know I guess
he in the shower @ 5:30?
yes
by that time you had taken stuff to the car
luggge and things . . . I don't know about the camera

no asking about camera . . . laptop whn did other items go down
I don't know

details don't remember - I remember major things but they are details . . .
why don't remember details today but other day you did

remember tell us last week luggage and all other item went into the car before 5:30 . .. not specifically

you told us camera included went down before 5:30
I don't know

evening recess - start @10:15 tomorrow . . . .

 

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[ingra1327]

M: Ma'am yesterday you told us that after your experience or time in Ehrenberg with Mr. Alexander that you felt like a prostitute, right?
A: yes
M: But you've made other statements with regard to your experiences in Ehrenberg, haven't you?
A: Yes
M: Let's take a look and an exhibit. It's exhibit 490, which comes from an excerpt from your conversation with Mr. Alexander on May 10, 2008. Let's listen to it and see if that's your voice and then..
Tape plays: (inaudible to me)KY just keep putting it on as you need it and keep slip sliding around, giggle. Remember the first time that you and I grinded? An Ehrenberg and I was like cumming and you were like oh I came and we came at the same time and I looked around and there was just **** all over. It was so hot. We came together and that was so cool. (can't hear Travis) Yeah, think about that when you drive through there. Travis, I will, always. J: So do I.
M: Ma'am that's your voice on there, right?
A: Yes
M: And that's you and Mr. Alexander discussing what may have happened in Ehrenberg, right?
A: Yes, what did happen
M: Pardon
A: What did happen
M: What happened in Ehrenberg, right?
A: Yes
M: And you were talking in very fond tones about that experience in this clip that we just played, weren't you?
A: Yes
M: And it was because it was fun, right?
A: Yes
M: And it was something that you enjoyed, right?
A: Yes
M: So when you tell us that you felt like a prostitute, it really does, it seems to be contradicted by what's on exhibit 490, right?
A: Not if you understand why I said that
M: Well, you do enjoy, you do say that you enjoy the visit to Ehrenberg, correct?
A: Yes
M: You do enjoy the sex in Ehrenberg, correct?
A: Yes
M: I move for the admission of exhibit 490.
N: No objection
Judge: 490 is admitted
M: Ma'am you also had another conversation involving Ehrenberg with the people from 48 hours, correct?
A: Yes
M: Let me have that marked as an exhibit. I move for the admission of exhibit 491.
N: No additional objection, your honor
Judge: 491 is admitted.
48 Hours: Tell me more about that, what was it that was special about him. He was, he really was an amazing person to know. Um, he was generous, one of the most generous people that I've ever encountered. Um, we would, there was one point when we were in Ehrenberg, I think it's in Arizona, it's right on the border of Arizona or California, it's Ehrenberg and we were driving up, we were hitting the freeway to go to a movie theater. And we stopped at the stop sign to get onto the freeway and there was a lady holding a sign. I don't remember if it said Will work for food, or hungry, or God bless or something like that, but either way, he pulled over, we were in his BMW, he rolled down his window and he said “are you hungry” and she said “yeah”. And so with that, he turns around and we go to Wendy's and he gets the triple decker that they sell and the biggie fries and the biggest drink that you can get. And we drove back and gave it to her and she was really grateful, she just went over and sat down away from the freeway and started eating and had dinner that night. So, just little examples like that is just one of so many that people can tell you about his generosity. There were so many attractive qualities about him. He was very kind. When I moved from Mesa originally I down-sized from a house to a room and I didn't have a place to put my art and I did have a place to put my books and some of the things that were really precious to me so he allowed me to use, he had so much storage available in his home so he allowed me to use a lot of that storage to put things in his garage, his home, his closet and his office, things like that, so um, just, and it wasn't even a question, it was just like put it at my house. It wasn't like he was doing me this was a favor, it was just of course, why think twice about it. He was never showy about how generous he was, it was like second nature to him.
M: Ma'am when you first described this visit to Ehrenberg, you told us something that was a little bit different than what we heard right now, right?
A: Yes, according to the questions I was asked.
M: Yes or no?
A: Yes
M: And you told us about going to Sizzler, right?
A: Yes
M: You told us about him grabbing your rear-end, right?
A: Yes
M: You told us about the sexual encounter, right?
A: Yes
M: You told us it really wasn't a romantic weekend at all
A: No, it wasn't
M: And in fact the indication from you from the witness stand was that this was a pretty bad weekend all around, wasn't it
A: No, I didn't say that
M: Well, your indication was that all he wanted was sex, right?
A: Um, it seemed that way
M: Well, if it seemed that way, that was your belief right?
A: Not at the time but in retrospect, yes
M: So as you sis here today it looks like all he wanted was sex, right?
A: Mostly
M: Yes or no
A: Mostly
M: And when you got there according to you that's the first thing that happened, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you guys sat around at some point and started to look at or watch TV, correct?
A: Yes
M: And at some point you went out to dinner, right?
A: Yes
M: And at another point you went to the movies, right?
A: Yes
M: And you indicated that , well to you the way you said it, it wasn't a very romantic weekend, right?
A: Not overly romantic, in fact there was very little romance
M: Ma'am, I'm not asking you to embellish right now, I'm asking you whether or not you told us before that it was not a romantic weekend, that's what you said on direct , correct?
A: Yes
M: And you didn't tell us about this circumstance where he stopped and he gave this woman this burger from Wendy's either, did you?
A: No
M: It appears that there are two sides to what went on in Ehrenberg, correct?
A: No
M: Well, it appears that there's the side that we just heard from, where you enjoyed the sex, right?
A: Yes
M: A side where you and he were driving around, correct?
A: Yes
M: And he helped some homeless person, right?
A: I think she was homeless
M: Well, it's somebody that was standing on the side of the road, right?
A: Yes
M: With some sort of sign., and it looks like what we heard from the previous excerpt, it looks like you were sort of reminiscing back on May 10, 2008 reminiscing in a very positive fashion, right?
A: May 10, 2008, oh, yes
M: That's the phone call we just heard prior to this
A: Yes
M: And it looked like you were reminiscing in a very positive fashion right?
A:
M Not the same picture that you presented previously with regards to the Ehrenberg meeting, correct?
A: I was asked about a different time-frame
M: Ma'am
A: So then that would be correct.
M: The answer is that is correct, right?
A: Yes
M: One of the other things that was presented in this case was that it appeared that, Mr. Alexander, from what you presented, was an individual that was totally into sex, correct?
A: Yes
M: But, and that was with you, correct?
A: Me and other girls
M: Well, had you ever been in a bedroom with him and another girl?
A: Yes
M: And the three of you had sex?
A: No
M: So when you say that he had sex with other women, you really don't know if it's the truth of not, do you?
A: If he was telling me the truth, it was true.
M: Ma'am, I'm not asking you what he told you, I'm asking from your personal experience, in terms of the situations that you know about. You don't know of any other circumstances where he had sex with anybody else, right?
A: I do know
M: And you're talking because you were there and you were watching his penis go inside, right?
A: No
M: You're just telling us that because of some conversations you had with somebody else, right?
A: Just one person
M: And as we know, people don't like, do they?
A: That's not necessarily true
M: Well no, people don't lie, that's what you're telling us right now because your saying that somebody told me it must be true.
N: Objection
J: Sustained
A: I said if
M: Ma'am, you're saying it's based on what somebody told you, right?
A: Based on what Travis told me, yes
M: And people have a tendency to embellish things, sometimes, don't they?
A: Yes
M: Just like you in this case, correct?
A: Um, not on the stand, but in this case, yes
M: Haven't you lied from the very start of this case until, according to you, you got on the witness stand?
A: No
M: Well, you're saying that you're not lying here, that what you're telling us is the truth, right?
A: Yes
M: But when you spoke with the detective that that wasn't true, correct. That's what you told us.
A: Well, anything, some things were not true. Most things
M: Most things were true, is that what you're saying?
A: Some things were not true
M: Did you lie to the detective, yes or no?
A: Yes
M: And did you lie to him on two occasions
A: More than two, yes
M: I'm talking about two dates, did you lie to him on two dates?
A: Yes
M: And did you also lie to 48 Hours?
A: Yes
M: Did you lie to people in Utah?
A: Yes
M: Did you lie to Daniel Freeman?
A: Yes, everyone
M: So you lied to a lot of people, but you're saying that just because you are sitting here in this courtroom there had been, for lack of a better term, a conversion and you are now telling the truth, correct?
A: For lack of a better term, yes
M: And the same thing with regard to whatever Mr. Alexander tells you, everything he says, you believe, right?
A: Not necessarily
M: Well but you do believe the part about the sexual encounters, right?
A: Yes
M: Did you ever talk to the women that were involved to confirm it?
A: Um, no
M: So you don't have any confirmation as to whether or not it happened, right?
A: No
M: It appears this sexual interest that he had was directed toward you, wasn't it
A: Some of it
M: No, most of it, or all of it, wasn't it directed towards you
A: not all of it, some of it, most of it, maybe during the time we were together most of it, I don't know.
M: Well, lets see what was said on May 10th of 2008 about that, and I'll ask you after I play it if that is your voice and if
KN: He has to move to be admitted before it's published
M: Move for the admission of 492
J: 492 is admitted
Tape plays: But you are right that in the bath ahh that was hot.

Oh when we took a bath together?

Uh huh.

That was, that was surreal like honestly and I think I mean maybe the candle light and the bubbles all had something to do with it but ahh you were amazing. You made me seriously you made me feel like a Goddess like I wasn’t saying you were like worshiping me but you were you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Like I so so felt like I was the Goddess <<giggle>> and so, aside from all those warm fuzzy feelings but like it was it was so sexy and it was so hot and ohh gosh.

Well it wasn’t hard to make you feel that way because you were you were frickin’ you you were hot you are…seriously honey, I want pussy right now for that…start touching yourself.

I am already <<giggle>>

Alright. I just started.

I wish those were my hands giving you a hand job.

Honey right like now before I met you I never jacked off once I start…I started meeting you it was like once a month once every two weeks like…since you’ve left I jack off every day sometimes 2, 3 times a day.

Are you serious?!

Yeah well it’s always <<unintelligible>>*

Oh my <<unintelligible>> right now. I wish you were here. If you were here and my grandparents asleep I’d put you right in my bedroom and we’d shut and lock the door and we would just have a big **** fest and we’d go at it all night.

M: That is your voice, right?
A: Yes
M: That's him telling you that in terms of his sexual activity, masturbation specifically, he didn't masturbate before he met you, right?
A: No, he didn't say that, he said he hardly ever did.
M: Well Ma'am perhaps we should listen to it again so we can hear. You're saying that he's not saying I don't know before I met you I never jacked-off. I want you to take a listen to that:
Plays tape again:
But you are right that in the bath ahh that was hot.

Oh when we took a bath together?

Uh huh.

That was, that was surreal like honestly and I think I mean maybe the candle light and the bubbles all had something to do with it but ahh you were amazing. You made me seriously you made me feel like a Goddess like I wasn’t saying you were like worshiping me but you were you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Like I so so felt like I was the Goddess <<giggle>> and so, aside from all those warm fuzzy feelings but like it was it was so sexy and it was so hot and ohh gosh.

Well it wasn’t hard to make you feel that way because you were you were frickin’ you you were hot you are…seriously honey, I want pussy right now for that…start touching yourself.

I am already <<giggle>>

Alright. I just started.
I wish those were my hands giving me a hand job. Honey, don't you know before I met you, I never jacked-off.
M: Did you hear that,?
A: Yes
M: He said “Honey, before I met you I never jacked-off.
A: Yes
M: And you have no reason to doubt that, do you?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
A: I have plenty of reason to doubt that
J: Overruled
A: Yes, I do have reason to doubt that
M: And you're basing your previous statements to us about him being with other women on what he told you, right?
A: Um, yes
M: And yet, we have him here telling us that he never jacked-off before he met you, isn't that what he's saying?
A: Yes
M: And so what you're saying is that well I'll believe him when it's to my benefit but I won't believe him when it's not.
N: Objection we're talking about apples and oranges, sex v. masturbation
J: Overruled you may answer the question
A: I don't know because I don't think that's to my benefit or not either way
M: Well, what you're saying is I'll believe him when he tells me that he's having some sort of intimacies with other women, you told us you believe that right?
A: Yeah, I do
M: You believe that without talking to the women, right?
A: Yes
M: Yet when we hear him in court saying that he never masturbated or jacked-off before he met you you're saying you won't believe that, right?
A: Um, based on what he's also told me, that would be no
M: Yes or no
A: Because he has jacked-off
M: Yes or no, you won't believe what he has said then.
A: Um, it wasn't consistent, so no.
M: So no you don't believe that, right?
A: No, I don't believe that
M: And in fact,with regard to this recording, the person recording it is you, right?
A: Yes
M: it wasn't him, right?
A: No
M: And you're saying it was for his benefit, right, that's what you told us on direct examination, right?
A: No, it wasn't for his benefit, it was for us to listen to.
M: It was actually for your benefit wasn't it?
A: No, I don't see how
M: Well, in terms of who had control of it, that was you, right?
A: Control of the recording?
M: Yes, that's what we're talking about, we're talking about a recording that you made on May 8, 2008, are we clear on that?
A: Yes
M: That recording was in your control, wasn't it?
A: Yes
M: It was never in Mr. Alexander's control, was it?
A: No
M: So if anybody was going to enjoy that recording, it was you?
A: No
M:Well, if anybody had it, it was you, then, right?
A: I had it, yes
M: And if anybody wanted to hear it again, that would be, the only person that could do that would be you, right?
A: That's not right
M: How is it that Mr. Alexander could hear it, if you were the only person who had it.
A: That's what we were trying to figure out, how to replay it for him.
M: Ma'am you still had control of it thought, didn't you?
A: For about a week, I did
M: Yes or no, did you have control of it
A: Yes for a week
M: You keep saying a week, did you then give it to him?
A: No, That's not what I'm saying
M: Alright so you did have control of this recording in the sense it was in your telephone, right?
A: Yes
M: It was never in Mr. Alexander's possession, right?
A: No
M: So if anybody wanted to listen to it, they would have to go through you, right?
A: At that time, yes
M: What time do you think are we talking about
A: I'm talking about for the week following the recording, beyond that, the answer would be no
M: You keep referencing that. Did you give the recording to Mr. Alexander after a week?
A: No
M: Did you give this recording to Mr. Alexander after 2 or 3 weeks?
A: No, I never gave it to him
M: That's true so if anybody was going to enjoy this recording, it wasn't Mr. Alexander because he didn't have control of it, right
A: That wasn't the purpose of the recording so that would be no
M: Did I ask you what the purpose of the recording was, ma'am
A: No
M: I asked you if anybody was going to enjoy the fruits of this whatever it was it would have been you, right?
A: It would have been Travis
M: Oh so Travis was going to enjoy it even though he had not control over it, right?
A: I don't know how to answer that
M: Why don't you know how to answer that
A: Because of the way your question
M: Excuse me, you were the one that was in control of it, right?
A: Yes
M: And you were the one that created the recording, right?
A: We both created the recording.
M: Well no that's not true. Was he pushing the button over and over to keep this recording going, or was that you?
A: I was,
M: So you created it then, right?
A: I recorded it, we both created it together
M: No, you recorded it, that's how it came into being, he had nothing to do with the recording, did he?
N: Objection
A: I don't agree with that
J: Overruled
A: No, I don't agree with that
M: So you're saying that somehow he was pushing a button in Mesa and so that this recording came about, is that what you're saying?
A: That's not what I'm saying

M: Well, technologically speaking, Ma'am, the only person that was in control of creating this recording was you ,right?
A: That's correct.
M: And he was a player, if you will, or one of the protagonists in this little little tete-a-tete, whatever went on, correct?
A: That's correct,
M: And so, he didn't even know he was being recorded.
A: That's not correct.
M: Well, does he ever say at any point in that whole recording that we ever hear can you record this for me, he doesn't say that does he?
A: No, it was already recording
M: Ma'am does it ever say in that recording any words from Mr. Alexander anything to the effect that he knows that he's being recorded?
A: Um, I don't think so
M: When you say you don't think so, you were there when it was actually created, right?
A: Yes
M: You were here when it was played, right?
A: Yes
M: So you're familiar with this, right?
A: Yes
M: And nowhere is there any indication that Mr. Alexander even knew that he was being recorded, right?
A: Um, no, I don't think either of us say anything about it being recorded.
M: And you didn't tell him throughout this whole, from what we heard, you didn't tell him he was being recorded, right?
A: I wouldn't have needed to, he already knew
M: Ma'am, yes or no
A: No
M: In recording did you tell him he was being recorded?
A: I answered no
M: So and you have this recording for whatever purposes you wanted to use it, right?
A: Um, yes
M: You could have posted it on the internet if you wanted to, right?
A: In theory, yeah I guess I could have
M: Well, not in, that can be done, you know how to do that, right?
A: No, I didn't know how to get anything of my phone at the time, but if that was my goal I could have figured it out.
M: Sure, and this recording that you had, for whatever reason you chose not to erase it, right?
A: Um not for a week
M: Did you erase it after a week, is that what you're saying?
A: I didn't have the opportunity, so no I didn't erase it after a week
M: Pardon
A: no I didn't
M: And you just said something about you didn't have the opportunity to erase it after a week and if this was on the 10th what happened on May 17th that prevented you from having it erased?
A: Well, it may not have been exactly a week, it may have been the 18th and I believed my phone was stolen and it was actually lost for about, well a few years.
M: So according to you, this phone was stolen for approximately a couple of years, right?
A: Yes, I reported it stolen to the police and I had insurance on the phone so they replaced a new one for me
M: And it resurfaced, right?
A: Yes
M: Well, you know yesterday when we talked about this issue involving recordings and that sort of thing involving specifically involving Mr. Alexander's penis, one of the things you told us was that, well, yes I was the one that downloaded it onto the hard drive of my computer, remember telling us that?
A: Yes
M: If you would have been offended, you could have deleted that photograph, right?
A: If I was offended
M: Yeah, you could have, but you didn't do that, right?
A: Right, I wasn't offended
M: No in terms of this recording, it also gives us a view of into what your views are about the sexual relationship with Mr. Alexander, doesn't it?
A: Yes
M: In face, in it, you indicate that you want to um, blossom sexually, right?
A: Yes
M: And that he's the person that you want help you blossom sexually, correct?
A: I didn't say want, I said I had with him and that I would like to in the future with somebody else.
M: Well let's take a look so that we're totally clear about what you said. Move for the admission of exhibit 493
N: No objections
J: 493 is admitted
(30:43, more sex tape, thank you princesspj):
You’re, you're not joking I mean like like there are times when when we just I can’t, I’m trying to think of an example. There’s been a few times where I’ve been bold enough to just pull you onto the bed and start and…oh my gosh do you remember that time I came to visit you when I was still living in California and I fell asleep on your chair next to your bed and you just like woke me up by pulling my pants off and totally licking my pussy?

Yeah.

I was so embarrassed because I’d just like got my Brazilian on and I was like worried about what it looked like and I was like aaahhh and the lights were bright and they were on and I was all self conscious <giggle> but I remember that was hot. I was like I was totally tired and I was asleep and I would have been completely content just cuddling with you once we got into bed but <yelp> you had another agenda.

Yeah, you gotta admit though like there’s not many guys that would do that just for fun like you gotta admit that.

See that’s the thing like I don’t know what the ratio is but I get the impression that they’re I mean this is kind of an awkward subject to bring up but you know eventually we’re both going to remarry people and I just get the feeling that there aren’t a lot of Mormon guys like that and there may or may not…I’m sure that there are plenty of freaky Mormon girls but are they the marrying type. I shouldn’t say that, I’m just saying are they the type that you’d want to marry or are the guys out there the type that I’d want to marry and and I don’t know like I really would like to marry some…a return missionary but like you someone who can be freaky like I just worry about that. There are plenty of nice people out there but like…aahhh I worry that I might feel like a wilting flower is all. Who never really blossomed to her full potential at least in the sexual realm. I feel like I have with you but still I have plenty of blossom time left and I want to live all those years being that way I don’t know.

Yeah.

That’s all.

Well, I’m I’m gonna enjoy your blossoms when I come up there.

Yeah. <giggle>

I’m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your by the way.

What’s that?

I’m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your by the way.

Oh my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it <giggle> there are times when we just we just I'm trying to think of an example, oh my gosh remember that time when you came to visit me and I fell asleep

M: Ma'am you did hear the talk here as it started about a situation where he woke you up in a sexual fashion, didn't you?
A: Yes
M: Do you remember on direct examination telling us that on a previous occasion when he first had vaginal intercourse with you that he woke you up in a similar fashion, right?
A: Well, similar, yes
M: Well, what you told us at that time was that you were asleep, remember telling us that?
A: Yes
M: And he pulled your panties or whatever it was that you were wearing down below, correct?
A: Which time?
M: The time that you claimed that he placed his penis inside you
A: I don't know I was awake for that, my panties were missing.
M: What was that?
A: they were missing when I woke up
M: But you went to bed with them on?
A: Um, I woke up without them still and I had to look for them.
M: Well ma'am do you remember testifying on direct examination that you had your panties on and that he took your panties off, do you remember testifying to that?
A: Yeah, I assumed he took them off
M: Well, I'm not saying, asking you to assume anything right now, I'm asking you whether or not you remember if that's what you testified to.
A: Yes
M: As part of that encounter, one of the things you told us was that he went inside you, right?
A: Yes
M: And he didn't have permission, right?
A: I guess technically not
M: Well not technically, do you remember telling us that?
A: I remember my attorney asking me if my
M: Ma'am, I'm not asking what your attorney asked you, I don't care about his questions, I care about your answers. My question to you, isn't it true that you responded or told us, that he was doing it without your permission and that you didn't like it?
A: I don't remember that, I don't remember characterizing it that way.
M: So you did like it when he was inside you?
A: Um
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: It wasn't really like or dislike, I was just worried, that's all.
M: You say that you're worried and um, my question to you is if you liked it or didn't like it did you express any preference either way to Mr. Alexander
A: I don't think I did
M: Did you forget what you told us that you did after that?
A: I said his name after that
M: And then after that what do you remember that you told us that you did?
A: He uh, well when I said his name and I tried to get out from underneath him his thrusts quickened and after that we sort of broke apart and he pushed my head under the covers
M: Right, so we are talking about the same encounter , right?
A: Yes
M: and it was consensual, right? Even though you were asleep
N: Objection.
J: Overruled you may answer
A: Well, I didn't object to it
M: Well, if you didn't object to it, it was consensual, right?
N: Objection, she was asleep
J: Approach.

 

[hindsight2020]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkTLu65yUEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPIA0DiDkIw

Photos/exhibits are in chronological order.

 

[ingra1327]

M: You though it was okay when he did place his penis inside you while you were asleep, right?
A: Yes, maybe not morally but other than that I thought it was okay
M: Ma'am, is it yes
A: It's yes and no, but mostly yes I guess
M: The no part in you,that didn't report it to the police, right?
A: Um, that wouldn't have been the no part, so no
M: So the no part that didn't want it, that didn't get on the telephone and call the police, did it?
A: Of course not, no
M: So the answer's no, you didn't call the police, right?
A: That's the answer
M: You didn't stop the sexual encounter at that point, either, right?
A: Um, I attmepted to stop the intercourse but not the sexual encounter.
M: So the answer's no, you didn't stop the sexual encounter, correct?
A: Correct.
M: In fact you continued on with the sexual encounter until you tell us there was a release on his part, right?
A: Yes
M: You never indicated to him afterwards not to do that, right?
A: No
M: And in fact what we just heard was you lauding him, or praising him, for waking you up and engaging in intercourse, oral intercourse with you, right?
A: Yes
M: So it's the same thing only something different is going into your body without getting to traphic, isn't it?
A: Well I was awake when there was any type of penetration on that account, so it's somewhat similar, I would say.
M: Well no, ma'am do you want to hear this again where you that indicate woke me up by pulling my pants off and licking my pussy?
A: Yes
M: So he did wake you up in the same fashion, didn't he?
A: Um, I was awoken as my pants were coming off so yeah similar, yes.
M: You didn't have any problem with that, right
A: I was embarrassed, but other than that, no
M: When you say you were embarrassed you weren't embarrassed because of the sexual act you were embarrassed because of the fact that you had a new cosmetic approach to your pelvic area
A: Yes and the lights were bright, yes
M: But other than that, you didn't have any objection to it, right?
A: That's right
M: And you wanted to continue to blossom, right?
A: Um, yes
M: And you wanted to blossom sexually, right?
A: Yes
M: So when were hear for example that there was this situation where of the many that you've described where he comes over to your house on the porch and you guys do whatever it is that you do, that's part of the blossoming process, isn't it?
A: Um I would say so
M: And all of the activity that occurred between you two, for example this telephone call that occurred between two consenting adults that all part of the blossoming process
A: I guess so
M: Well no, you were there, right?
A: I'm talking about sex and I didn't have sex while I was on the phone, so
M: And you told us that for you it takes two hands, right?
A: Yeah
M: And so with regard to this particular conversation you just didn't have any fun at all, right?
A: I didn't say that
M: Well, your words and your demeanor speak for themselves on the telephone, correct?
A: Yes
M: And one of the other things that we know from that conversation in terms of your blossoming was that you and Mr. Alexander discussed making a movie, right?
A: Yes
M: And you discussed making a sexual movie, right?
A: yes
M: And it wasn't like you were telling him no, I don't want to do that sexual movie, you were into it as much as he was, right?
A: Yes
M: And in fact as part of sexual blossoming, there were other things that you asked him to do for you didn't you?
A: Yes
M: Let's take a look at some of them. Take a look at exhibit 494. Recognize that?
A: Yes
M: These are two text messages that you sent to Mr. Alexander, correct?
A: Yes
M: What is the date of them?
A: February 25th
M: And there is a time there, but as you previously told us when you were on direct, that time is seven hours ahead of what the real time is, correct?
A: That's correct.
M: I move for the admission of exhibit 494.
N: No objection
J: 494's admitted
M: Let's take a look at what 494 says.
(43:25)
M: This is you sending him this text message, right?
A: Yes
M: And this was part of the relationship that you had with him, right?
A: That's right
M: There was a sexual component, wasn't there
A: Yes
M: And it was always a component that you partook of as much as he did, right?
A: Yes
M: And in it you say Hmm..if ur a lucky boy and u promise to give me a good well-deserved spanking. And there's a period there, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you also say Maybe u could give my a much-needed pounding too..kidding, correct?
A: Yes.
M: You're kidding about the second portiong, but not the first portion, correct?
A: Yes.
M: Take a look at exhibit 495. Do you recognize that series of text messages?
A: Yes
M: And those also involve some sexual activities between the two of you?
A: Um, well, yes, one's we're anticiating.
M: Pardon?
A: One's we're planning
M: The date on this is February 26 of 08
A: 26th?
M: Well let me have you look at it, at least that's what it says.
A: Um, it would have been the 25th, but it is, it says the 26th.
M: And that would be because of the seven hour issu that we talked about before.
A: That's right.
M: I move for the admission of exhibit 495.
N: No objection
J: 495 is admitted.
M: Take a look at exhibit 495. You start off by saying “Oh my gosh this is so freaking hot I want to lick it up and then sit on it! You are so tasty. My goodness...correct?
A: Yes
M: You were talking about his penis, correct?
A: Yes, he sent me a photo.
M: And it does appear he sent you a photo , correct?
A: Yes
M: And you weren't offended by him sending you a photograph, correct?
A: No
M: Even though we had a photograph here that was introduced, it was the same sort of photograph that was introduced at trial, right?
A: Yes
M: Nothing different than the one that was here, that was introduced, in other words it was his penis and whatever was happening with it.
A: In that regard, yes nothing was different.
M: And in fact, he then said “I'm glad you like it”, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you said: Oh yes. I want to f*ck you like a dirty, horny little school girl, right?.
A: Yes
M: So the school girl issue here in this conversation is being brought up by you, not by him, right?
A: That's right.
M: And in fact this issue about the school girl that may have been presented as part of ths conversation on May 10 of 2008, well you were enjoying it too, weren't you?
A: I don't think he said school girl on the tape
M: Pardon
A: I don't think I said school girl on the tape, but as far as that goes, yes
M: You liked dressing up like a horny little school girl for lack of a better term, right?
A: Well, I think I said on direct, I didn't have a school girl outfit, but that was kindof the idea.
M: You did enjoy dressing up for him, right?
A: Um, yes
M: And you enjoyed at least indicated here, in February of 2008 that it had to do with looking like a little school girl, correct?
A: Um, I guess so yeah.
M: Well, no you keep saying you guess so, but isn't that what you wrote?
A: I didn't say look in that text message
M: Pardon
A: You said looking like and I don't see that in the text message
M: Alright, so let's read it: I want to f*ck you like a dirty, horny, little school girl. So that implies that you are dressed up in a certain fashion, right?
A: Um, yes
M: And it also implies or indicates that it's you that's the person that likes this sort of activity and looking like a horny, little school girl, right?
A: yes
M: Although we heard previously some talk about braids and that it was only him that wanted that, it was a consensual, mutual relationshp sexually speaking, wasn't it?
A: Yes, always.
M: This, again this issue involving the idea that there was going to be a movie and what was going to happen in the movie, part of it took place during a conversation that you had on May 10, 2008, right?
A: Yes
M: And it can be characterized as phone sex, correct?
A: Yes
M: And it can also be fair to say that what people say during phone sex isn't necessarily true, wouldn't you agree to that?
A: I would agree to that
N: Objection , calls for speculation
J: Sustained, rephrase
M: Well, ma'am in your own phone sex part of the conversation with Mr. Alexander, according to your own testimony, part of it was a lie wasn't it?
A: are you talking about how he never jerked off ?

M: No, I'm talking about what you said in that conversation. What you said part of what was going on was a lie, wasn't it?
A: Um, yes part of it was a lie.
M: Sure it was a lie, right?
A: And so , at least if we're using this conversation as a point of reference, people, you and Mr. Alexander, but you specifically, you lied to him, right?
A: I did.
M: And there was no harm in it because it was just a fantasy kind of conversation, wasn't it?
A: Yeah, it was just fantasy.
M: Right, so that if he said he wanted to tie you up to a tree and stick it up your , that could also be seen as fantasy, right?
A: Yes.
M: That never happened, did it?
A: No
M: Talking about, for example, these things about the movie and this sort of thing, whether or not you believed it, it was part of the fantasy of that conversation, wasn't it?
A: Yes
M: So for example, if we just listen to one of these snippets, or one of these exchanges, we can see that perhaps it's just all a fantasy. Let me have this marked for exhibit here. I move for the admission of exhibit 496.
N: No objection
J: 496 is admitted.
(51:28)M: And ma'am before we listen to it, in this particular excerpt you actually indicate that you believe that maybe the making of this movie could be artistic. I want you to listen to it.
Plays tape: J: all I'm saying is I'm kind of envisioning one where you're titty-f*cking me but like I'm looking with my head tilted back so you couldn't really see but the outline of my chin and my cheek and jawbone and like my ears and hair, but you can't really see the rest of my face you could just see a dick between two like in of focus but with the neck sort of a little bit blurry, like artistic. You know what I'm saying? T: Uh, great J: I don't know if we could do that cuz your legs might to be in the spot where the camera would be but one of these days we should do something like that ooh, I've got some more ideas, go ahead. T: Worse case scenario, we could do it from the reverse angle J: mm hmm T: Like J: but you'd still blow in my face and put your , you have a good looking dick, baby, just want you to know. T:Glad you like it. J. Yeah, it's like ooh,...feels so good, you went just where I needed, you went were I just needed, I want to f*ck you so ..”

M: You said it could be an artistic endeavor, right?
A: Yes
M: And in fact, that comes from the fact that you like to take photographs, correct?
A: Yes
M: And that's sort of one side of your life that you have, correct?
A: Yes
M: And so, again, the fact that you're talking about it doesn't mean you're going to do it, right?
A: Um, we were kind of tentatively planning it, but I don't know if we were actually going to do it or not.
M: right it was a situation again, sometimes when people are involved in a sexual situation like what this appears to be they get caught up in the heat of the moment and they say things that are related to what's going on, correct?
A: I would agree with that.
M: Ma'am, and during this conversation you and he actually discussed whether or not you guys should stop this particular activity having sex, didn't you?
A: Um, stop having sex?
M: Or stop having sex, stop having phone sex that sort of thing?
A: I think we did, yes.
M: Well let's hear what you actually say. Move for the admission of exhibit 497
N: No objection
J: 497 is admitted
(55:32)
Tape plays (thanks princesspjs): Oh <<unintelligible>>*

<<unintelligible>>*

Yeah well, I haven’t come but I will. I can’t wait to get pictures of jism on your face

<<yelp>> That’s gonna be cool actually.

We can probably get one <<unintelligible>> on each other on your face and then…

Yeah, definitely.

I can get the shot.

Uh huh….you make me so horny. I seriously think about having sex with you every day. Several times a day. I think of how hot it’d feel to have your deep inside of me. I remember it and I want it again.

Is it wrong that I’m glad we started ****ing?

What?

Is it wrong that I’m glad we started ****ing?

Well, if it’s wrong then I don’t want to be right <<giggle>> ‘cause I’m glad too. Like seriously…

Generally I’m like ok um Jodi I’m just Jodi I’m just all Jodi, Jodi

Like I, like I I don’t know the…what’s wrong is that I wish we were doing it before because…

Yeah.

…that was good and it it…

Once we did it like, why not do it ya know

Exactl…uh I know what you mean.”

M: It appears there's a bit of a conflict because the two of you keep engaging in sexual activity, is that correct?
A: That's correct.
M: Whether it be by telephone or whether it be in person, correct?
A: Yes
M: And this issue involving you and he having sex, it also created a conflict for him, right?
A: Yes
M: And you knew that it had to do with the LDS faith, right?
A: Yes
M: And you were also LDS and that created a conflict for you to, correct?
A: Yes.
M: And so it wasn't a situation that it was a secret to both of you that perhaps, since you are both members of the LDS faith, this was not you should be engaging in, right?
A: That's right.
M: But neither of you cared, right?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: sustained
M: Ma'am, you still continued to engage in sexual activities with him even though you had this conflict, didn't you.
A: Yes
M: And even though he says he has this conflict here, he still continued to have sex with you, right?
A: Yes
M: So even though you were two conflicted persons, you still continued to engage in this activity, right?
A: That's what the conflice was about.
M: Right, and in fact you even had a description of the two of you didn't you in that conversation that we just hear in May of 2008. Let's here what you said. I move for the admission of 498.
N: No objection
J: 498 is admitted
Tape plays: (some paraphrased) that's right... hang on I thought I just heard somebody, let me double check. I think it was my charger. Alright, we're good. I've got a disappear , let me get back into the groove. T: the pictures I'm gonna take are so hot, J: What are we gonna do with ourselves, we are just horny toads.
M: Ma'am that's just an acknowledgment there that both of you are into each other sexually, correct?
A: That's correct
M: And there's no indication from anything that we've heard that you were offended by sexual, physical, sexual activity, that was going on, right?
A: Right
M: It may have been a conflict, but the two of you enjoyed each other, or at least you enjoyed him as much as it appeared he was enjoying you?
A: Yes
M: And you had at least that kind of a relationship to the point that you actually had a name for him, or pet name for him, didn't you?
A: Yes
M: Let me show you this. Take a look at exhibit 499
(1:01:30)
M: do you recognize it?
A: Yes
M: It's a text message that you sent, right?
A: Yes
M: What's the date?
A: The date its the 21st, actually it would have been the 20th of January.
M: And um, you're saying it was the 21st of January because of the time difference, correct?
A: Yes, it was the 20th, but it shows the 21st.
M: Move for the admission of exhibit 499
N: No objection
J: 499 is admitted
M: and that's you sending him a message saying Hey hottie biscotti will you call me before you hit the sack, right?
A: Yes
M: I have a question about tomorrow morning, thanks my dear. Correct?
A: That's correct
M: And you actually called him hottie biscotti, correct?
A: Yes
M: In part because he was, in part because he was special to you, correct?
A: Yes
M: An apparently at that time you were in love with him, right?
A: I believed I was, Yes
M: And it's something that two people that are intimate have in common, right?
A: Yes
M: But he really wasn't that special to you, was he?
A: I wouldn't say that
M: Well, lets take a look at another exhibit. 287. This is to Ryan Burns. You see that, it says ryansppl, gmail,
A: Right
M: your me, you see that?
A: Yes
M: And you say to him at some point before you go meet him, hey hottie biscotti, what's new, right?
A: Yes
M: Isn't that the same thing that you called Mr. Alexander
A: Yes, I called a lot of people that
M: So what you're saying is that when you called Mr. Alexander that, it didn't mean anything
A: I wouldn't say it was meaningliess, no
M: It could also mean that when you started calling Mr. Burns hottie biscotti was that Mr. Alexander didn't really mean that much to you?
A: That's not what it meant.
M: But it could though, based on what we've seen.
N: Objection, argumentative, she's answered the question
J: Sustained
M: You called them both by the same name, right?
A: Yes
M: And you only had one encounter with Mr. Burns, correct?
A: Um, well I met him once and then I saw him again so it would be twice, but if you're talking about the physical encounter
M: Right
A: then one time I guess, unless you count shaking his hand, which I guess that doesn't really count.
M: Pardon , I didn' thear what you said
A: I'm sorry, unless you count we shook hands and spoke briefly, I don't even really remember it so it was pretty brief, but
M: In terms of one-on-one
A: Yes that would be one time
M: One time right
A: Yes
M: And you're already calling him hottie biscotti at least through this instant messaging things, right?
A: That's right
M: And exhibit number 286 it tells us a little bit more about what actually happened when you went to see him. I want you to go down here and read what it says starting with the “Ha-ha” if you can read it, if not I'll bring it down . Go ahead and read it out loud.
A: It says haha well we woke up we sat there for a bit and then we held each other and then we started to kiss. Then you said I could not be comfortable and you adjusted me
M: So it does say that you said to him that he could not be comfortable and you adjusted him, right?
A: Yes
M: And then what else does it say, it's above it.
A: Then you pressed your body really close to mine and started to kiss me.
M: So he was, you were on top of him, weren't you?
A: Yes, well, kind of on top of him off to the side a little, I think to the left.
M: But you did start to press your body close to him, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you say what , it's right above it
A: Well, I think it's out of order but I say well I would gladly give it to you.
M: And then right above it he asks
A: Can I ask what else you might give me?
M: and your answer is?
A: You can ask, but you'll have to wait and see for that one.
M: bottom line, you're sort of already involved in the same give and take that you were with Mr. Alexander, correct?
A: Yes

 

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M: Ma'am there's a number of stories that you gave in this particular case involving the killing. There was one that you gave on the 15th of July of 2008 to Det. Flores, right?
A: Yes
M: There's another one that you gave on July 16th of 2008 to Det. Flores, right?
A: Yes
M: But then, you still gave another view of what happened to 48 hours, right?
A: Um, I think I was inconsistent in my lies, yes.
M: So let's take a look at what you may have said to 48 Hours. I move for the admission of exhibit 500.
N: No objection
J: 500 is admitted.
48 Hours plays: You feel comfortable talking about it. J: Yeah. Let me talk about um I'll talk about this and nobody knows this, the detectives know this because I've spoken with them. Boy this is really hard. Uh, I'm trying to think if I want to say this or not. There is a lot of evidence that places me at Travis's house the day he was, not just the day he was, um, killed, the day and most of that week, and there is a reason for that and that reason is that I did see Travis the day that he passed away and a lot of things happened that day, I almost lost my life as well and I was told that I can't speak about it or tell anyone about it because my family's life was in danger over it. Um, I was told that if I did that they would all die, and that I would die and that was kind of the end of the story. Um, There was an argument among some people um, two individuals, one wanted to take my life and one said you know, that's not why we came and um, um, at one point, the guy with the gun sort of sucamb (sic) to her pressure because he was holding the gun to my forehead and I was on the ground on my knees and um I was near the armoire where he kept his TV in his bedroom and Travis was in the bathroom and she was standing over Travis and the guy with the gun was standing near me and again this argument was going on back and forth and I just remember holding my head and closing my eyes, um, and then there was so much that went on that day, but the short of it was that he pulled the trigger and nothing happened, just a click. And um, I realized then that he probably if that means that he was out of bullets, or I don't know what that means. I wasn't that familiar with handguns and so, um, at that point I pushed past him and I ran downstairs. He didn't make that much of an effort to stop me, but I could almost swear I heard someone following me down the stairs and I ran out the front door and I got into my car and I drove and I left.
M: Ma'am nowhere in that recitation or in any of the interviews that you gave to 48 Hours did you ever claim that you had memory loss, correct?
A: That's correct
M: In fact you gave a slightly different version of the same event to 48 hours on another occasion, didn't you?
A: Yes, I couldn't keep my story straight.
M: I move for the admission of exhibit 501
N: No objection
J: 501 is admitted
(1:14:40)
48 Hours: JA: Um, Again, I was looking down and going through some photos um he is really critical of himself, um, you know we're all our worst critics. And so some pictures he liked and some he didn't and again I heard a loud pop and I was hit on the back of the head. I don't think I was out very long but when I came to I was kind of laying next to the bathtub and the bathtub and the shower are kind of next to each other and um, Travis was on all fours on the tile, I say all fours, but one of hands was actually holding his head and I mean he wasn't laying down or anything he was kind of one his knees and his hands and at that point I looked over toward the entrance of the bathroom to the hallways and two people were walking down the hallway and I ran into the closet and I was gonna run out the other door. but he stopped me with the gun. When you have a gun pointed to your forehead just do anything so he told me to get down on my squatting on my knees by the armoire. And um he left the room for a minute, maybe a few minutes and she was in the bathroom standing over Travis and I charged her I ran down the hall and I pushed her as hard as I could and she fell over him and landed near the sink, there's two sinks in the master bathroom, she landed near the, um, left sink , kind of near the trashcan , close to the windows and, um, I started to pull on him and I said come on, come on, let's go, let's go, and um he just wasn't, he was sluggish and lethargic, he just wasn’t getting up he wasn't really saying much of anything, he was there and he was conscious , I could see that. He wasn't saying much, I was able to get him about half, he was sort of, not crawling, but he was kind of moving, trying to stand up, I was able to get him about half way down the hallway when she came back at me and we struggled for a few minutes and again she was doing what she could to overpower me. And she was kicking me and she was stomping on my feet and she was trying to kick my knees and I was kind of bending them and trying to do what I could and he came back in the room and I had to go back to where I was sitting and stay there and that's when they both began to argue about whether or not I should die. And, um there was an argument that went on back and forth between them for several minutes,at least felt like several minutes and he didn't want to and she did and she kept saying why they should and he kept saying that's not why we came here and (big sigh) um, you know, after he had gone through my purse again he finally just pulled the trigger and I thought honestly that it's over and it's the weirdest feeling to think that it's gonna be over at any second and someone pulls the trigger and you're still there. And um at that point, I just, I just ran. I pushed right past him and I flew down the stairs. I wasn't even in my body, I think...,I was, but everything felt numb. I was hyperventilating.. my heart was racing and so even as I went down the stairs there was part of me like my brain was telling my legs don't screw up you're gonna fly down these stairs and you're not gonna get away, so I just did the best not to stumble down these stairs and just I went out as fast as I could and then out the door and slammed it behind me and got in the car and left.
M: And that's another version of the events that occurred on June 4th 2008, correct?
A: Yes
M: And they're not true.
A: Neither of them, well it's all the same thing, it's just different versions, I couldn't keep my lies straight.
M: So the answer is they're not true, right?
A: Neither of them, yes.
M: Ma'am you did also continue to talk to 48 hours about coming to Mesa, remember talking to them about that?
A: Um, yes
M: And do you remember talking to them about what your plans were in Mesa, do you remember that?
A: Yes
M: The reason that you came out to Mesa, you didn't have a plan initially, correct?
A: Do you mean on June 4th?
M: Pardon
A: Are you talking about June 4th.
M: I'm talking about when you left Yreka
A: What was your question, I'm sorry
M: My question is, according to you, you didn't have any plans to come to Mesa, initially, um when you left Yreka, correct?
A: That's correct
M: That's something that you told 48 hours, correct?
A: Yes
M: Let's take a look at what you told them. I move for the admission of exhibit 502.
N: No objection
J: 502 is admitted.
(1:21:41)
48 Hours: So tell me about this trip on this particular day, did you plan that in advance or. No, I'm really like go by the wind when I take my road trips. I usually plan more than I can actually do and cross some off my list when I feel I can. So on this last trip my plan was to go to Monterey, to Los Angeles to San Diego to Utah, and then over to Death Valley and then back up to Yreka and it certainly didn't go anything like that ,it went Santa Cruz, then Monterey, and then I went to LA and Pasadena and I skipped San Diego. And it was when I was in Pasadena that night that I decided to go to Mesa. Travis had learned about my road trip about a week prior and he has this way of kind of guilting me, um, not in a bad way, just like making me sort of feel bad, and he said why don't you come to Mesa instead and you can visit me, and I said no I have other things I need to do and other people. I didn't exactly say it in that way because you have to be delicate about it, otherwise he would take offense I think. And so he would say things like okay, I see how it is, you don't love me, just as a joke thought. And so it just kinda pulls on my heart strings a little and again I was weak and I folded and I decided to go so I called him when I was in Pasadena and said guess what and he was what and I said I'm coming to Mesa and he said really., I said yeah, he said alright, cool. We hung up the phone and I drove and said you don't have to wait up for me because I was in Pasadena and that's probably a good 5 hours and something to Mesa and as well as that my phone was about to die so I just said if I don't speak to you again until I get there, that's why. And so I showed up around 4 am and he was still awake he stayed up all night, he was on the internet looking up videos on you tube, some silly videos and we watched some more videos for a little while and I was just exhausted from the drive so we just went to sleep and you know.
M: With regard to the videos that he was looking about we've heard something about Quicker, Faster, Stronger, something like that? They weren't of any sexual nature, were they?
A: No,
M: In fact, as you've described it, it was some people with weird or funny head-gear that were just dancing around is how you described it
A: Yeah, It looked that way.
M: So you actually left Yreka on June 2nd of 2008, right?
A: Yes
M: And prior to that though, you made some preparations, didn't you?
A: Yes
M: You made a reservation to rent a car, right?
A: right
M: And the reservation to rent the car was made not in Yreka but in some other place
A: It was made online, oh I'm sorry in Redding, for Redding, yes
M: Right, and Yreka does have some rental car companies, correct?
A: That's correct
M: And in fact what happened was that when you went to Redding you even had to, for lack of a better term, inconvenience someone else to take you to get the car, to get the rental car to take you back to their house, right?

A: That's right
M: And it would have been much more convenient in Yreka, to go rent the car in Yreka, wouldn't it?
A: Not for my bank account
M: When you say not for your bank account, you're talking about financial reasons, right?
A: Right
M: And um how much money did you take with you in cash?
A: I don't recall but it was probably a few hundred. I think
M: So when you say a few hundred are you talking about two hundred?
A: Maybe that not much more somewhere in that ballpark it was between 80 and 200 dollars.
M: So it's between 80 and 200 dollars, maximum being 200 dollars, right?
A: I think I don't really remember as far as cash
M: Could it have been 300 dollars
A: It could have, I don't remember having that much case on me, but I guess it could have.
M: If you don't remember having that much cash on you, then it wasn't three hundred dollars, right?
A: It just means I don't remember, probably not.
M: and so previously during the direct examination you told us that when you go on these trips you don't take more than 200 dollars, do you remember telling us that?
A: Yeah, that's typical.
M: Well in this particular case, I had financial issues so I decided to rent out of redding because it was cheaper, right?
A: That's right.
M: But it would have been more convenient though to rent in Yreka, right?
A: Convenient for who?
M: You
A: No
M: In terms of picking up the car it wouldn't have been convenient
A: Um, no
M: Well, Yreka you told us is a small town, right?
A: Yes
M: And everyone sort of knows everyone, right?
A: Um, that's pretty much the case
M: And the other thing you told us about Yreka is that everybody knows everybody's business there, right?
A: Um, usually
M: Right, and in fact, one of the examples that you gave us of where people in Yreka know what is going on is the example of when you were 17 and you went to, or you skipped a class do you remember telling us that?
A: Um ,yes
M: It was a history exam that you had to prepare for, right?
A: That's right
M: And you indicated that you went somewhere n the car and you were studying, right?
A: Yes
M: And while you were studying, your father found you, right?
A: Yes
M: And one of the explanations or reasons that you gave for that is that Yreka is a very small town, right?
A: I don't remember giving that explanation because that isn't how, why he found me.
M: well, you indicated that you don't know how you found you, right?
A: I knew how he found me?
M: Well that not what you told us on direct examination
A: Oh, I mean I knew why he went looking for me, how he found me is he was just driving around.
M: Ma'am, that's not what you told us on direct examination.
A: I don't remember
M: Again, do you have problems remembering what you just told us less than a couple weeks ago?
A: Occasionally I guess
M: And in this particular case you're having problems remember how your father found you, right?
A: I'm having problems with the way your characterizing it I guess.
M: Well, again, we're going to get in this word exchange issue, but my question to you is o you remember telling us on direct examination that Yreka's a small town and that's part of the reason your father found you, do you remember telling us that?
A: Yes
M: and so Yreka in 2008 is not much bigger than it was in 1997 or 1998 when this happened.
A: no I think it's about 1000 more in population
M: Right it's only 1000 more in population, in other words it's not a town that's exploding in terms population, right?
A: Yes.
M: It is or it is not.
A: That's right I'm sorry.
M: So that people in Yreka if someone does something, more likely than not, they may meet someone that they know, right?
N: Objection calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: Yes
M: so for example if you went to one of the two, either of the two car rental agencies that are in Yreka, somebody may have been able to know or talk about it later if they were asked about it.
A: Perhaps, people didn't know me though because I hadn't lived there for 10-15 years.
M: But they may have, right?
A: Some, a few high school friends or something
M: again, it's not a very large town, right?
A: Yes
M: the population is what, 11 thousand
A: I think it's 7.000
M: 7,000
A: 7 thousand something
M: And you at the time back on June 2 of 2008, you were working, right?
A: Um, yes
M: And in this town there aren't that many bars, right
A: I think there alike 5 or 6 bars
M: right, and there isn't one called Margaritaville, right?
A: No, there's not
M: You worked at Casa Ramos, right?
A: Yes
M: And this was going to be part of your vacation, right?
A: the road trip, yes
M: The road trip was your vacation, right?
A: It was partially vacation, partially business trip.
M: When you say partially business trip what you're saying is for example that if you went to buy gas that's something that could be deductible, right?
A: If it was for the business purpose, it would be deductible
M: In fact since you were going to go to Utah, going to a gas station it would make sense to save the receipts so that you could deduct them from your income taxes, right?
A: That's right
M: In this particular case it wouldn't matter whether or not you paid cash or you paid with a credit card, right?
A: Um, it wouldn't matter for tax purposes, right?
M: Right as long as you have the receipts, right?
A: Right
M: So in this case you did pay ,at least, attention to the receipts that you got for example from the gas station, right
A: What do you mean pay attention
M: Kept them
A: I threw everything in the shoe box
M: Right, you threw everything in the shoe box pertaining to this trip, right?
A: Yes
M: All of the receipts from this trip were thrown in this shoe-box that we've seen previously, right
A: No probably not all of it, just whatever was left in my wallet.
M: But you were trying to pay attention to keep the receipts that were related to business expense, right?
A: I'm very disorganized, but that was my effort
M: that's what you were attempting to do, right?
A: Yes
M: And so you did save some of the receipts for this particular trip, right?
A: Yes
M: and so you are in Yreka and you decide instead to rent the car from Redding Ca, right?
A: Yes
M: And that's south of Yreka, correct?
A: Yes, on the way
M: It is on the way, but it's south, right
A: Yes
M: And it's what, 90 miles away?
A: I think it's 99 miles
M: So in terms of travel we're talking about what close to two hours?
A: Just under two hours, I think
M: Um on this particular day that you left on June 2 2008 you left the house around 5:00 in the morning right?
A: I think so it was very early in the morning.
M: Well you were at the redding airport by 8:00 weren't you?
A: Yes
M: Did you get there before 8:00 and just wait around or did you get there at that time.
A: I don't remember waiting, well I waited a little bit because there was a line but not waiting for them to open
M: And somebody was with you correct?
A: Um, yes
M: A guy was with you, right?
A: I can't remember if it was my brother's neighbor or my sister-in-law, so either one of them dropped me off and picked me up or vice versa
M: What your saying they dropped you off or picked you up what you're saying is they did not get out of the car that took you to the redding airport, correct?
A: Um, I don't remember
M: You don't remember whether or not they went up to the counter with you?
A: I think I was alone
M: You were here when Mr. Columbo testified correct as to whether or not you were accompanied
A: Yes
M: And so what time did you arrive at this would be your sister's house, right?
A: Um, yes
M: what time did you get there?
A: um before renting the car you mean?
M: Yes, that was the only time you got there on June 2nd, correct?
A: No, I got there with the rental car and took a nap.
M: pardon
A: no I went back to her house.
M: Alright the first time before you rented the car.
A: In the morning, I don't remember the exact time.
M: and they knew you were coming, correct?
A: Yes
M: And so they were ready to then take you down to the airport, right?
A: Yes
M: and then they dropped you off and you went to pick up the car, right?
A: I believe they did, yes.
M: And one of the things that happened is you were given a car, or rented a car by Mr. Columbo, right?
A: Yes
M: and the car that he offered you initially was red, right?
A: Yes
M: And you told him that you didn't want the red car, right?
A: That's right
M: And the reason that you told him that you didn't want the red car was because it would call attention or it would stand out more, correct.
A: No
M: didn't you tell them that you did want to exchange the car, though, right?
A: Yes
M: And you told them that red is the color that police officers focus on.
A: Um
M: Is that yes or no?
A: I”m trying to remember. I don't know if I worded it that way.
M: So you did give him a reason why you didn't want that car, right?
A: Yes
M: And part of it had to do with the color, right?
A: yes
M; You didn't want the color red?
A: yes
M: The color red seems to stand out, doesn't it?
A: I don't know, I just heard they get more tickets.
M: Right, So it had to do with the police department , right? You did not want to stand out and that's why you wanted a different color.
A: not the police department because I would be on the freeway, I just didn't want to get more tickets and red gets more tickets.
M: who do you think gives traffic citations then?
A: Um on the freeways in California, it's California Highway Patrol.
M: That's police, aren't they
A: I don't think they're police, they're law enforcement, but not categorized as police, not to my knowledge anyway
M: So if there's a crime you're saying that the California Highway Patrol doesn't respond to them?
A: They respond to them as well maybe the sheriffs office or something, depends on the district I would imagine.
M: So you're afraid that police, whether it's the California Highway Patrol or somebody driving down the street that they would focus on your car because you heard that police give more tickets involving red cars, right?
A: Afraid, I wasn't afraid, I just didn't want to shell out more money for tickets.
M: Right, so afraid may not be the word that you like, what word would you like, concern?
A: Um, I don't know
M: No, you're the one that said afraid wasn't the right word, why don't you tell me what word you would use in describing your reluctance to taking a red car.
A: Um, it was motivated by financial frugality.
M: Well you're telling us that the red car was cheaper than the white car.
A: No, in theory I would be less likely to get a speeding ticket and shell out hundreds of dollars if I were not in a red car.
M: So what you are saying then, a red car in your view, because of the color, stands out more to police departments, whether they be California Highway Patrol, whether they be the Salinas Police Department, whether they be the redding Police department.
A: Well I'd be speculating but I guess that's why they get more tickets, I don't know
M: Well no I don't want you to guess because I want you to tell us what you were thinking at the time because you were the one that made this request involving the red car.
A: well, my thought is driver's of red cars driver faster get more tickets, that's just what I've always been told.
M: but that's what other drivers do, you were supposedly going to adhere to the speed limit or within 10 miles of it, right?
A: Um, usually, I tried
M: So if you do that you really shouldn't have too much of a concern for a traffic citation, right?
A: Um, that's not right, I've been cited before when the radar was off.
M: How many times have you been cited for speeding, ma'am when your speed was over 10 miles an hour over the speed limit?
A: Several times
M: Give me one time
A: One time I was driving on Hwy 1 south of Carmel or just entering Carmel Islands I think I was going 60 something in a 50 and I got pulled over and he said 70
M: Let me stop you, you said you were going 60-something in a 50 mph zone, right?
A: Yes
M: That means you were going over the 10 mile issue that I just presented you
A: Yes
M: So in other words can you give me an example where you were driving the speed limit or within 9 miles of the speed limit where you were given a ticket.
N: Objection, relevance, your honor.
J: Noon recess

 

[Melanie]

WARNING - AUTOPSY PHOTO OF HEAD WOUNDS. PLEASE WATCH AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION:

Autopsy image shows Alexander head gash - Dr. Drew 2/27/2013

Autopsy image shows Alexander head gash - YouTube

 

[wenwe4]

Exhibit #470 admitted . . .

Thurs Morning - JA w/JM

took your luggage and placed in the car
don't remember precise wording
I asked you the time
don't remember

"you were asked . . .say you packed luggage in your car and getting ready to leave what time?
after 2 I am sure" (JM's reading from transcript)

that makes sense - it was after 2 when we had sex . . . it was after 2 don't know how close . . .it would have been after we did what we were doing . . . I don't remember exact time . . .how much time elapsed? I am not sure

you were a little more sure on direct examination . . . not to the time . .do you want me to read it back? you asked me 2 questions . . . .I was sure it was done after we were done having sex after 2 . . . I was dressed unless we were engaging in other things I was always dressed . . . did go downstairs after the bedroom stuff but don't know when I packed stuff . . .precise moment I don't know . . I didn't ask precise = when . . . after 2:00 and before leaving . .. cant get any clearer than that? I don't remember . . .

when put items in car did it alone or did TA help? . .. alone . . .do you remember telling us he helped you? . . don't know pretty sure he helped bring stuff dodwnstairs but don't know if he helped pack in the car . . .

your car parked downstairs - in driveway . . .if license plate upside down harder to recognize car . . I drove from pasedena with front license on floorboard in the car . . . lookin @ CD's on his computer . . .took awhile - seemed forever . . . it dragged and dragged while looked for disc drive and I was laying on floor with Napoleon - there were 2 cds . . some intimacy after that . . .not unwanted intimacy . .. correct - willing participant? yes

TA goes to take a shower - what did he do after intimacy was done .. . not sure I went to bathroom across the hall . . . came back out TA was in the office - how long? few minutes - we went upstairs to take photos . . . .had conversation with Det. and told a different story? no

let's listen then

 

[wenwe4]

JA talking w/Det flores . . . video . . .he was cleaning the house - chairs on the sofa so I couldn't sit there . . . took pics of him shaving - he liked them he used them on his myspace . .. I asked if I could take pics of him in shower - you are right he wasn't very comfy @ first and he said I feel gay . ..

JA smiling . . .yes that was a prior incident
photos involved him taking shower on June 4th
it was a conversation that occurred before june 4th

yes in an indirect way because he had agreed to take them
ma -my question is it took a lot of . . . to get those photos
yes
while he was shaving?
no that was another incident

lets look again
he had been cleaning - he had chairs on the couch he was cleaning the floors - I don't know if he made phone calls . . . took a lot of convincing prior when he was shaving . . . he does whole old fashion thing . . . he liked it used pic on myspace . . .

taking a shower . . have an idea . . saw this thing on calvin kline ad and . . .he standing there says I feel gay.

you heard conversation it took convincing . .
yes
he was shaving
yes months prior
remember situation you tied up to the bed with the rope
yes
he was engaging in oral sex on you
stop because it was uncomfy - he hadn't shaved that day
I don't think he shaved @ all that day
don't think?
lets look @ exhibit #159

 

[norest4thewicked]

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