Gun Control Debate #5

[Maroon10]

The NRA is not protecting your Second Amendment rights. They could care less about the Second Amendment. They are protecting their gun sales.

Facts bbm

 

[rosemadderlake]

Gun sales, you mean gun sales.

Or, lifestyle?

I think there is an unfair bearing down on those gun owners who have been responsible citizens.

You are giving credence to the NRA.

 

[bluesneakers]

The NRA is not protecting your Second Amendment rights. They could care less about the Second Amendment. They are protecting their gun sales.

The NRA doesn't care about people or their rights. The NRA cares about the bottom line: $ > human life.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Facts bbm

What facts? Gun sales?

I don't even own a gun and find this to be aggregious.

 

[Maroon10]

Or, lifestyle?

I think there is an unfair bearing down on those gun owners who have been responsible citizens.

You are giving credence to the NRA.

Responsible gun owners would be for common sense gun laws, because it wont effect responsible owners

 

[Betty P]

http://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/news/Anti-gun-protest-turns-rowdy-in-Stockton-475063913.html

I'm thinking maybe these kids should have stayed in school instead.

Meh.

Glad to hear you behaved perfectly in high school. No sneaking out with friends to drink beer on weekends or smoking in the john? Always drove the speed limit? Never late for curfew?

 

[Blef]

I'm a Dad as well. I support the NRA. They are indeed defending the 2nd Amendment on behalf of all Americans. You don't have to thank them.

As a father can you honestly say you support the NRA when they tweet a picture of an AR15 when many protested about children being killed by that very same thing? They are tweeting a picture of a MURDER weapon when students are still grieving their friends and families dying. Is that ok?

 

[rosemadderlake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5503145/Dylann-Roofs-sister-arrested-bringing-knife-school.html


Its frustrating to see so many shared same beliefs of Dylan Roofs sister posted. Wonder why...

Oh please... ^^ this? ^^
What a freaking militant translation of society, and ignorant view of the subject.

Name one.

 

[Betty P]

So in response to the parkland shootings the NRA tweets an image of an AR-15. Yeah, ok. They care so much!

I actually sat next to one of their marketing/lobbying guys on a 2 hr flight once. I didn't give him a clue about where I stood on the issue as I wanted to hear what he had to say. I played dumb. From that conversation, I can say,yeah, their main focus is selling lots of guns. He was interchangeable with any other marketing/sales exec focused on selling product. He was very clear that NRA works for the gun and ammo industry. Very clear.

 

[PrairieWind]

As a father can you honestly say you support the NRA when they tweet a picture of an AR15 when many protested about children being killed by that very same thing? They are tweeting a picture of a MURDER weapon when students are still grieving their friends and families dying. Is that ok?

I have no idea what tweet you are referring to. But those kids were murdered by a deranged young man that had for years demonstrated his violent tendencies and was well known to law enforcement. We need to focus on the reasons why killers become who they are, why they become obsessed with violence and killing. Focusing on the firearm he happened to use is pointless and only distracts from the real issue. As a father who loves his children more than anything, I think its more loving to try to address the actual cause of these tragedies, not the tool used.

 

[bluesneakers]

How the NRA Has Responded to Mass Shootings Over the Years

After the Navy Yard shooting:
“We have a mental health system in this country that has completely and totally collapsed. We have no national database of these lunatics,” LaPierre said.

After Sandy Hooke:
LaPierre blamed video games, music, the courts and the media for creating a culture of violence in the United States during his speech. He also criticized Congress for failing to create a national database of people with mental illnesses.
Rolling back responsible citizens’ rights is not the proper response to tragedies committed by criminals and the mentally ill.

After Virginia Tech:
We will participate in this discussion at an appropriate time. In the interim, our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims, their families, and the entire Virginia Tech community."

After the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church shooting:
"He voted against concealed-carry," Cotton said in a post on TexasCHLForum.com that was quickly deleted. "Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."

2018:
The NRA, which on Wednesday said they opposed age limits on gun ownership, also is going to fight restrictions based on mental illness. “And now some people are calling for a new list of anyone, anyone who has sought mental health care, to deny them their Second Amendment rights,” he said.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...dment-they-hate-individual-freedom-2018-02-22

Touching.

Since LaPierre is so concerned with mental illness I'm sure the NRA regularly makes hefty donations to veterans groups and mental health organizations, right? I'm having trouble finding those numbers though.

 

[flourish]

At A Troubled School In The Bronx, The Student Walkout Was A Miss

Vulnerable students don't always have the privilege to protest.

“Black and brown kids are more likely to be suspended than any other group,”*Kirkland said. And if they walk out of school and encounter a police officer, they’re more likely to be arrested, too.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...x-school-violence_us_5aa9704ee4b0004c0406b8ea

 

[rosemadderlake]

You share the same beliefs. There has been numerous post about people who support the wal outs. Just showing someone whos on the other side. It's sad but interesting to see their thought pattern and reasons for disliking students protesting for their lives.

What are the "wal outs"?

Has there been any "dislike" for students?

Has there been any convo other than the method of the message?

Has there been anything other than a defense of a way of life attacked?

My goodness, I am a liberal, but this is over the top.

And it excludes most of my equally liberal friends.

To what end? Is the means?

What is the purpose?

 

[bluesneakers]

Oh please... ^^ this? ^^
What a freaking militant translation of society, and ignorant view of the subject.

Name one.

You seriously think she is alone in her views?

 

[Maroon10]

You are implying that I am a racist? I find that HIGHLY offensive!!

I said you share the same belief that the kids protesting for their lives are not doing it genuinely.

Her other beliefs is just as big a problem. Never said you were, I hope you arnt. Those was your words not mine

 

[rosemadderlake]

You seriously think she is alone in her views?

Name two

 

[bluesneakers]

At A Troubled School In The Bronx, The Student Walkout Was A Miss

Vulnerable students don't always have the privilege to protest.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...x-school-violence_us_5aa9704ee4b0004c0406b8ea

These are the kids we should worry about if hired guns start roaming school hallways.

 

[Blef]

I have no idea what tweet you are referring to. But those kids were murdered by a deranged young man that had for years demonstrated his violent tendencies and was well known to law enforcement. We need to focus on the reasons why killers become who they are, why they become obsessed with violence and killing. Focusing on the firearm he happened to use is pointless and only distracts from the real issue. As a father who loves his children more than anything, I think its more loving to try to address the actual cause of these tragedies, not the tool used.

You said you support the NRA. You mentioned you are a father. SO you are saying you support an organisation that is so distasteful that they will tweet a picture of an AR15 when students are literally protesting for their right to life, and some have lost friends and family because of guns. How can you support that? How can you stand by something so disgustingly tactless and so self-promoting?

 

[Maroon10]

What are the "wal outs"?

Has there been any "dislike" for students?

Has there been any convo other than the method of the message?

Has there been anything other than a defense of a way of life attacked?

My goodness, I am a liberal, but this is over the top.

And it excludes most of my equally liberal friends.

To what end? Is the means?

What is the purpose?

Guns are not a "way of life" they are a way to END life

 

[flourish]

Because apparently this was missed by some


"NRA tweets picture of an AR-15 amid the National Student Walkout"


"By 11:30 a.m. Wednesday, students and teachers across the country were settling back into the school day after morning walkouts in honor of the 17 people killed last month by a Florida gunman wielding an AR-15-style rifle.

A minute later, at 11:31 a.m., the*National Rifle Association*tweeted out a picture of such a weapon."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-tweets-picture-ar-15-amid-national-student/story?id=53767732

Apparently nobody at the NRA paid attention to their grandmas, as every grandma I know says, "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all"

So needlessly cold and cruel