Hurricane Sandy updates

[Really?]

This is hindsight but I think she could have made earlier plans for her boys than driving in a hurricane to drop them off and go to work. People, in the future, if you must hit the roads during a huge storm, think ahead.

we had plenty of warnings how bad this was going to be.

It infuriated me that many downplayed the storm Irene. There were casualties and 1 or 100 is too many.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sting-steals-show-sandy-benefit-concert-article-1.1196226

Did the benefit concert already air? When?
It says it can be seen again using Comcast On Demand. :waitasec:

Oh, it aired Friday night. I missed it, shucks.

 

[marycarney]

Have we heard from Dad in this case? Just wondering.

And, as a hospital nurse, we have mandatory education on disasters each year - whether related to the weather, terrorism, whatever. And the emphasis is ALWAYS on making plans - ahead of time. I just do NOT understand going out at the height of the storm to get to work. I am just hung up on that. MOO and all that jazz

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york
outer boroughs are being left in the dark - chaos.

News media peeps are sure being polite regarding their reports when compared to how they
lambasted President Bush during Katrina.

The reporting is so blatantly biased, it's not funny imo. Not fair at all.

 

[Isabelle]

No. I've heard of them after, though.



Yeah, I do think you're right. It does seem that she was alone when she went up to the house asking for help.

So she was either asking for refuge or asking for help to find her boys.

And that's interesting to me because the man who failed to let her in and who denied that she ever came up to his front door or ever asked for help (she just tried to bash in his back door window) stated that, "What was I supposed to do? I was wearing shorts and we were told not to try to rescue people". Or something to that effect. So that tells me he did know that the woman was asking for some kind of help. He's a liar.



I wondered that even before knowing where she lived. Hylan is not right against the screaming, violent, rushing sea yet it goes to the same place. But, as some kind poster pointed out, people panic and can't always think straight.

As to why she was going to back doors, we don't know that she was only going to back doors. One report states that she went to the front door first and then the back when there was no response.

Agree, he said during the interview: 'I was wearing my brother's jacket, shorts and flip flops". He gave this as a reason he couldn't help along with hearing it told that no one should risk their safety to help others. GMAB! He is a major liar. He and Casey Anthony should hook up. As to why she was going to back doors, could it be the rushing water pushed her there? I definitely see that there was a race issue in this crisis. BTW: nurses are not exempt from working their shifts even if there is severe life threatening weather in progress. A nurse would be written up for failing to come to work. It is a career I am very happy to be out of.

 

[Isabelle]

Have we heard from Dad in this case? Just wondering.

And, as a hospital nurse, we have mandatory education on disasters each year - whether related to the weather, terrorism, whatever. And the emphasis is ALWAYS on making plans - ahead of time. I just do NOT understand going out at the height of the storm to get to work. I am just hung up on that. MOO and all that jazz

She may have been scheduled to work that shift. The hospital may not have had a plan. My daughter who is a nurse was on disaster call for Katrina and she went into work the Friday before Katrina (katrina hit on Monday) and was not evacuated from her place of work until the following Friday. If she had tried to leave before then she would have been charged with abandonment by the nursing board.

 

[JeannaT]

She may have been scheduled to work that shift. The hospital may not have had a plan. My daughter who is a nurse was on disaster call for Katrina and she went into work the Friday before Katrina (katrina hit on Monday) and was not evacuated from her place of work until the following Friday. If she had tried to leave before then she would have been charged with abandonment by the nursing board.

I have a son who's a nurse. You're only charged with abandonment if you leave DURING a shift - calling ahead before your shift begins isn't abandonment.

 

[marycarney]

I'm sure she was scheduled to work, and I'm CERTAIN that the hospital had a plan (It is federally mandated). I'm just questioning why she did not go earlier - it's not like here in Indiana, when we have a tornado, there is no notice. People there knew for well over 24 hours what was coming.
And you cannot be charged with abandonment if you cannot get there. I say this as someone who has done a 24 hour shift because of blizzard conditions. I could not leave, the next nurse could not get there, so I stayed.
I guess I'm just mystified by this story, as to why those two little ones had to be placed in harm's way in the first place. It's a tragedy all the way around - to be certain.

 

[STEADFAST]

On Monday, Glenda Moore was taking her two children to the home of a relative prior to going to her nursing job. A sudden surge of water slammed into the family's SUV, forcing the vehicle off the roadway and into a marshy area. Moore managed to free her two children, 2-year old Brandon, and 4-year-old Connor, clinging to them as waves of water continued to batter them. Moore knocked on the door of an adjacent home, asking the homeowner to let her and her children in, but the homeowner refused. Moore took a flower pot and tried to knock out a window to gain entry into the house, all the while still clinging to her two boys. A rush of water struck Moore, ripping the children out of her arms http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/336054#ixzz2BCLeq3Qd

“The waves just came and started crashing on the car,” the woman's sister told the paper. “She said she got shoved, and then the wave just took the car and flipped it over. She was knocked down.”
The boys, who are 2 and 4, disappeared and their mother was forced to swim to save her own life.
She spent the night cowering in a doorstep until the storm passed, and eventually found her way to police. She had hypothermia, and said she had spent the night knocking on doors but no one was willing to let her in
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/0...-away-from-mother-during-sandy/#ixzz2BCMd31Zp

Two-year-old Brandon Moore and 4-year-old Connor Moore were swept away after their mother placed them on the roof of her SUV on Monday amid rushing waters that caused the vehicle to stall, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said as he announced the discovery of the bodies.Police have said the mother, Glenda Moore, was going to a shelter when she tried to flee the vehicle with the boys, losing her grip on their hands in the rising water and under the relentless cadence of pounding waves."
She put the two boys on the roof of the car to avoid the water, and then another large wave came, and it apparently washed them away," Kelly said. "Of course, the mother was totally, completely distraught. She started looking for them herself, asking people to help her look."
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...-Body-Sandy-Hurricane-Disaster-176801031.html

According to police, the boys’ mother, Glenda, stopped at a man’s house after her SUV hit a hole during the storm. She begged for help and asked to come inside, but that man said no.
Soon after, the mother and her two children were hit by a massive wall of water. The mother desperately tried to hold onto them, but the force of the water was too much. Her two boys were carried away in the deadly floodwaters. Somehow the mother managed to survive.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/...-for-help-when-sandy-hit-rejected/?hpt=ac_bn5

These are only a few of the widely disparate recountings of the circumstances surrounding the Moore boys' deaths on the night of the storm. I'm usually very suspicious when stories about the last moments of people's lives vary widely. However, right now I'm thinking the story keeps changing due to a combination of sloppy reporting, poor recollection, exaggerations and justifications, and various agendas.

 

[clarabelle]

I have been thru every crisis in NYC for the past twelve years and know firsthand how people here pull together and go out of their to help one another any way they can. I have a hard time believing anyone would ignore a person knocking on doors and screaming for help especially during the worst part of the storm.

While I can understand trepidation about opening your door to a potential looter you would have to realize there is no way anyone would be out looting in that weather. If she was screaming from the street its very likely that no one was able to hear her over the wind.

There seem to be a lot of inconsistencies in the reporting of this story so it's hard to gauge exactly what happened but I stand by my peeps in my belief they would have helped her.

The loss of these two boys is so tragic

Edited because autocorrect changed "help" to "eat". Sorry for anything else I missed

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This IS confusing. I don't think it's true that she went to the front of his house, kids in her arms, as the Anderson Cooper CNN video suggests. I just don't believe that. I DO believe she was behind his house, trying to break in to get help searching for her boys after her boys washed away, and the homeowner perceived she was a man (it MUST have been difficult to see during the torrential rain, she was probably covered up) and she was begging for him to come out and help her.

This is an awful story, but I really don't think she approached anyone for help with her kids in her arms. I don't think ANYONE denied her admission to the safety of their home, when she had two little boys in tow. The man in the house looked totally reasonable - it's hard for me to believe he wouldn't open his door to a mother with two preschoolers during the hurricane.

It rings true, to me, what he says. She never approached anyone for help while she had the children in her arms, and I myself wouldn't come outside the safety of my house during that horrid storm to help a stranger. I think people who are judging them for not coming outside have never hunkered down and lived through something like that. Walking out in to it would put their lives in true peril, as the other nearly 100 people who were killed by Sandy experienced.

One thing I've noticed, is that the man in the picture with the woman, looks a lot like the man I saw on TV explaining why he didn't open his sliding glass door. This was on Piers Morgan's show.
Mind you, this is a first glance going by my memory observation and I'm probably totally wrong but when I saw the picture of the couple, I thought, '***** - is that the same guy?'.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.gadailynews.com/thumbnai...for_12_hours_304035630.png&size=article_large

ok so now I understand...How so very devastatingly sad...

bumping picture

 

[Woe.be.gone]

shoot, I can't find the video clip it's October 31 or November 1.

 

[laura08]

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/...-for-help-when-sandy-hit-rejected/?hpt=ac_bn1

Video speaking to home owner where the mother went to seek help. Police in Staten Island, New York have found the bodies of two brothers, Brandon and Connor Moore, swept out of their mother’s arms by floodwaters during Superstorm Sandy. The grim discovery was made this morning by NYPD divers in a marsh.

Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro says the boys, ages 4 and 2, were found “maybe a block or two from where [their mother] lost them.” The parents were there when police found the boys.

CNN’s Gary Tuchman will have this emotional story tonight on AC360°. According to police, the boys’ mother, Glenda, stopped at a man’s house after her SUV hit a hole during the storm. She begged for help and asked to come inside, but that man said no.

 

[JeannaT]

These are only a few of the widely disparate recountings of the circumstances surrounding the Moore boys' deaths on the night of the storm. I'm usually very suspicious when stories about the last moments of people's lives vary widely. However, right now I'm thinking the story keeps changing due to a combination of sloppy reporting, poor recollection, exaggerations and justifications, and various agendas.

From what I can see, the other stories all pretty much match (small details differ) except CNN. Only CNN, and those who directly quote CNN and use them as a reference state she took the boys to Alan's house and asked for shelter.

No one else is saying that, from what I can see.

 

[Yoda]

This article also has some different info. It interviewed a few neighbors near where the boys went missing and also said dad was in Brooklyn?
Jmo I wish reporters were held accountable when they publish incorrect info. It doesn't seem to matter if what is written is accurate or even factual anymore. :/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sad_empty_seats_where_staten_tots_NpPHZPHIhXtNovZzpcFCnL

 

[marycarney]

This article also has some different info. It interviewed a few neighbors near where the boys went missing and also said dad was in Brooklyn?
Jmo I wish reporters were held accountable when they publish incorrect info. It doesn't seem to matter if what is written is accurate or even factual anymore. :/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sad_empty_seats_where_staten_tots_NpPHZPHIhXtNovZzpcFCnL

Slightly OT: the article was written by Joe Tacopina - of Lisa Irwin's case? Huh??

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/new-jersey-residents-can-_n_2070016.html

New Jersey Residents Can Vote By Email Or Fax, Governor Chris Christie Says
11/03/12 06:17 PM ET EDT

TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey will allow residents displaced by Superstorm Sandy to vote by email or fax.

Officials announced Saturday that registered voters can vote electronically. A resident must submit a mail-in ballot application by fax or email to the local county clerk.

When the request is received, a ballot will be emailed or faxed back. Ballots must be returned no later than 8 p.m. Tuesday.

Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno says the effort will help alleviate pressure on polling places Tuesday. New Jersey is using military trucks in place of damaged polling places.

More...

 

[Yoda]

This article answers a few of my questions. Dad works in Brooklyn, the road she took next to the beach is said to be the fastest route, ans neighbors thought she might have panicked when the power went out.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ne-hurricane-ravaged-staten-island-reels.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

How could she hold on to a tree while holding on to two little boys for hours?
Is the reporter thinking about what he's saying?

Why would she throw a flower pot through a stranger's door? How big is the flower pot and how strong is she?
Is the flower pot filled with dirt and a plant?

Did anybody look at the man. He has facial hair in the video. Am I nuts to think it could be the same guy?
What has the mother said, if anything? She'd probably admit if she knew the people in the house, wouldn't she? :waitasec: