Hurricane Sandy updates

[Swirlz]

I hate to say it but yeah, when I saw that she was a black mother it made sense. And it's not to say that it was "white" people that wouldn't help her, it could have been any race. Staten Island is pretty racist to tell the truth.

BBM

It's true. To be honest, I just didn't want to be the first one to say it. It was the first thing I thought of tho, when I saw the pic of the mother. I spent 39 yrs. on Staten Island and I could see something like this happening.

 

[Nova]

I COMPLETELY get what you're saying, nova, but I don't think there are any neighbors who would say she appeared on their doorstep looking for shelter, and they denied her shelter.

I really don't. I think the few she appeared to, she was asking for them to come outside in the worst of the storm and help her.

I'm sure you're right, Jeanna. If the man is telling the truth that he didn't hear any knocking, just somebody throwing a flower pot at his door, he may have genuinely thought he was just protecting his home.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I still can't believe that they waited till the last minute to cancel the marathon! I saw video of the generators parked, unused, at the finish line. They could have been powering a hospital, evacuation center, or vet clinic instead. At least they had the good sense to donate their supplies to the relief efforts.

Most seriously, IMHO, is the fact that the marathon would have closed the Verrazano for 24 hours! Right now, it's needed desperately to get supplies and work crews from outside areas to Brooklyn and Long Island. Any other route that is open would have forced that traffic onto the marathon-laden streets of Manhattan and/or through lower Manhattan which is already a terrible wreck! (For those who don't know the area, the Verrazano Narrows Bridge connects Staten Island directly to lower Brooklyn with connections to LI highways.)

I mean, what was Mayor Bloomberg (sp?) thinking? Let them starve/freeze for 24 more hours?

 

[elepher50]

Okay Jersey*Girl, I have not heard from you since you headed down into the flood zone. What are you doing and are you safe. You have not been on WS since this post yesterday and I have had no email from you after you headed down to the flood zone. Hoping you are okay but must admit am getting a bit concerned now.

eleph

I have done a lot of work at WS with Jersey*Girl. I have lost contact with JG since noon time on the 30th when she headed to the flooded area in her neighbourhood. JG has an IPhone so usually no issues keeping in touch.

JG had a rough night when Sandy hit and had moved all the bottom level items to the top level of the house. JG lives near where the bulkheads along the Delaware River breached and overflowed.

JG did check in with WS but I have not heard anything from her since around 1:20pm on the 30th and this is just not like JG not to keep in touch. Nothing on WS and I have had no email contact either.

JG needs to check in.

eleph

 

[~n/t~]

Stupid stupid stupid is all I can say. These people lost not only loved ones but personal possessions. Terrible decision by the mayor. Thankfully it was cancelled and all resources will continue to flow into a much needed community that will require weeks, months to get some normalcy back in their lives. I say "some" normalcy because I don't know if it will ever be normal again for many especially those who lost loved ones.

 

[~n/t~]

I have done a lot of work at WS with Jersey*Girl. I have lost contact with JG since noon time on the 30th when she headed to the flooded area in her neighbourhood. JG has an IPhone so usually no issues keeping in touch.

JG had a rough night when Sandy hit and had moved all the bottom level items to the top level of the house. JG lives near where the bulkheads along the Delaware River breached and overflowed.

JG did check in with WS but I have not heard anything from her since around 1:20pm on the 30th and this is just not like JG not to keep in touch. Nothing on WS and I have had no email contact either.

JG needs to check in.

eleph

Elepher, do you have her real name and address? Perhaps checking with the red cross would at least give you some answers as to what may have happened? Maybe she's still without power or at a shelter?

ETA: Link: http://safeandwell.communityos.org/cms/index.php

 

[elepher50]

Elepher, do you have her real name and address? Perhaps checking with the red cross would at least give you some answers as to what may have happened? Maybe she's still without power or at a shelter?

ETA: Link: http://safeandwell.communityos.org/cms/index.php

Thanks n/t~ - I have first name only so can't go the Red Cross route although I have threatened to via email to JG .... I will keep searching and hoping she checks in soon!

 

[Gardenlady]

Filly has not logged in here since just after midnight on 10/30 also. Very worried for her, doesn't she also have an elderly mom living with her?

Hope they are all doing okay, and are just without power. Thinking of all of our WSers we are still waiting to hear from, please check in ASAP! :rose:

 

[SugarQueen]

My friend in West Patterson, NJ had her power restored after 2-3 days. She woke up this morning to no power again!
Local weather in the Hudson Valley says the snow storm is almost certain to hit the area mid week.

 

[Skully]

I have done a lot of work at WS with Jersey*Girl. I have lost contact with JG since noon time on the 30th when she headed to the flooded area in her neighbourhood. JG has an IPhone so usually no issues keeping in touch.

JG had a rough night when Sandy hit and had moved all the bottom level items to the top level of the house. JG lives near where the bulkheads along the Delaware River breached and overflowed.

JG did check in with WS but I have not heard anything from her since around 1:20pm on the 30th and this is just not like JG not to keep in touch. Nothing on WS and I have had no email contact either.

JG needs to check in.

eleph

I posted a message on her wall here, I hope she is okay. You are right, her not posting is unusual and I hope her and her family are okay and just very busy with clean up and stuff.

 

[Isabelle]

I don't think the man is being truthful, seeing him interviewed. And, he is very angry; he knows he did something very very wrong!

ETA: he also uses what he is wearing as an excuse: his brother's jacket, shorts and flip flops. This is akin to a Casey Anthony excuse!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think the man is being truthful, seeing him interviewed. And, he is very angry; he knows he did something very very wrong!

ETA: he also uses what he is wearing as an excuse: his brother's jacket, shorts and flip flops. This is akin to a Casey Anthony excuse!

I completely disagree with you.

It was the mothers job to protect her babies, not his. She made a terrible and tragic mistake. Truth be told .... It was a foreseeable mistake making it even worse. I feel horrible for her.

What exactly did he do that was very very wrong?


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[Skagirl]

I don't think the man is being truthful, seeing him interviewed. And, he is very angry; he knows he did something very very wrong!

ETA: he also uses what he is wearing as an excuse: his brother's jacket, shorts and flip flops. This is akin to a Casey Anthony excuse!

He could be very angry because people were already harassing him about not letting Glenda and her boys seek shelter. She says she asked more than one person to help her, where are those people? Why is she only blaming this one particular person?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204707104578091280918068770.html

Wall Street Journal article has some details I haven't seen in the other versions.

 

[nosysw]

Many of my friends and immediate neighbors still have no power. I'm lucky to have heat and electric although no house phone, cable or internet. We were lucky to not have flooding here but nearby cities were not. I have friends I haven't heard from and there are people who aren't able to contact me not having any way to do so but the home phone. In areas with flooding cell phones may have gotten wet or lost. I wouldn't be on here myself but it's my only real connection to whats going on out there.All to say I'm sure as much as we worry about our fellow websleuthers I think getting on here will be very low on their priority list even if they have the ability to do so. The most we can do is pray until we hear from them.

 

[Skagirl]

And if this man did turn her away when she was seeking shelter, how does it make any sense to try to break into his house next? Many people said they didn't evacuate because when they had done so for Hurricane Irene, they came back to find their houses burglarized. If she was trying to break into this man's house, even if it was to seek shelter, she's lucky she wasn't shot. I can only imagine if people were worried about looters, then they must have been prepared if someone did try to get into their house.

 

[gitana1]

BBM. Having been through a few hurricanes myself, I would venture the answer to that question is simply fear. You just can't think clearly when you are scared to death. She was probably on autopilot and just trying to reach her mother - not thinking of alternatives.

Okay. That is unfortunate but it is understandable.

You can look up pictures of them on google images and one has red curly hair, and the other has blonde curly hair. They definitely look bi-racial, but red and blonde hair describes their hair color. Cute cute little boys, BTW.

http://www.defendernetwork.com/brothers-swept-from-mom’s-arms-during-storm-found-dead/

Precious.

I don't think the man is being truthful, seeing him interviewed. And, he is very angry; he knows he did something very very wrong!

ETA: he also uses what he is wearing as an excuse: his brother's jacket, shorts and flip flops. This is akin to a Casey Anthony excuse!

I 100% agree. The guy had the same body language, voice and facial expressions as every person I have seen on those hidden camera exposés that show fraudulent business practices or that confront dishonest or criminal people.

He started screaming for people to stop filming his house and denied everything at first. Then he finally admitted to seeing "a man" throwing something, trying to get in. Clearly, if that was true, he would put two and two together and realize it was not a man, but it was the woman who lost her two boys. Anyone telling the truth would be immediately shocked and horrified. He was none of that. He knew a lady had been to his house but he tried to stand there and defensively pretend that what happened to her was completely unconnected to the "man" he saw trying to break in.

Oh, and "he must have been standing at the bottom of the stairs." That statement shows he is lying. It was a clear effort to convince people as to how he could have mistaken a woman for a man, without admitting that the lady and her boys was connected to him - he thought the man was standing at the bottom of the stairs and that's why he appeared "short".
Come on. That dude knew exactly who came up to his door, he denied entry as he sat in his home and now he doesn't want to answer criticism.

The guy is a consummate liar. I don't understand how anyone could see him interviewed and believe his story. Pretty much every lying, cheating business owner or not yet arrested criminal caught by a reporter who confronts them, acts the same.

Here's yet another version of the story...I think I've read about 8 different scenarios now...

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/staten-island-after-sandy-dont-forget-us.html

I don't think it's different. The CNN one is the fullest. The one you posted just omits the part where she went up to the home: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/world/americas/sandy-staten-island-brothers/index.html?iref=allsearch

It was after he denied entry, according to CNN, that the boys were ripped from her arms by a wave.

 

[gitana1]

I completely disagree with you.

It was the mothers job to protect her babies, not his. She made a terrible and tragic mistake. Truth be told .... It was a foreseeable mistake making it even worse. I feel horrible for her.

What exactly did he do that was very very wrong?


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He denied entry to a lady and her kids who were caught in the whirling hurricane. That's what he did wrong.

Yes, it's her job to protect her kids. But it's our job as human beings to help our fellow man when we can, IMO, regardless if they got into the situation because of a mistake they made or regardless if it is their duty to help themselves.

This isn't the wild west. If we went by the attitude that everyone has a duty to help themselves and their own and thus we are free to ignore the pleas of others, the world would be a cold, sad, grim place.

 

[Chewy]

I don't think she had her kids when she went to his door. I could be wrong but it seems she lost the kids and then went to the door.

 

[JeannaT]

I don't think she had her kids when she went to his door. I could be wrong but it seems she lost the kids and then went to the door.

I agree. She lost her precious boys while she was hanging on to the tree root, near her abandoned vehicle.

She didn't have her kids with her while she was throwing a pot into the back of the home to try to get someone to come out and help her find her boys that had washed away in the . That much is not disputed. She apparently knocked on other doors, and found them either empty or the residents refused to come out and help her, which is what she asked for.

For her to go to the front door of this man's home, ask to be let in with her boys, and then go BACK to the much more dangerous area of the downed tree, have her kids swept away, and then go BACK to the house that had refused her entry and throw a pot through the back of the home asking for the man (who had already denied her shelter) to come out into the raging storm to help her recover her swept away children defies logic.

It seems clear to me. She struggled to get to the home and in the process her children were swept away while she tried to anchor herself and kids to the tree. Then, when the kids swept away she ran into the neighborhood to try to get people to come help her in the storm to recover her children, and no one would come out to the storm, and then she spent the night on an abandoned porch near the man's house.

Which is what most of the articles, and her sister, say she did. I've only seen the Anderson Cooper story say the man denied her shelter when she approached him with the kids.

It just doesn't add up that way. IMHO.

 

[Really?]

It's a shame this happened. She should have left on Saturday....heck, even Sunday.

Has anyone heard of looters DURING the storm ?