ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[NottaYutz]

Yes to this over and over!
Remembering
Kaylee Goncalves,
Madison Mogen,
Xana Kernodle
and Ethan Chapin

Well spoken, and it's why I endeavor to always use their names and not their initials.

 

[Dexter12]

She was definitely an eyewitness to him leaving the scene and also heard the events... I never said she saw the murders.

I'm sure the prosecution put his picture in a lineup for DM. And she eliminates a lot of people with the description given it's spot onto BK - defense will have a hard time saying it's someone short, obese, a woman, someone in victims' inner circle etc.

Of course she didn't say on Nov 13 "it was BK" given that she very likely had never seen him before.

She was an eye witness to someone walking towards her who continued on towards the sliding glass door....Per the PCA

 

[General wooster]

Facts do matter, and it is also noteworthy that they offered nothing that ties that shoe print to BK.

Yes, facts do certainly matter. There are many facts that are already revealed. No doubt, many more to follow. The shoe print is a toss card. You seem to be ignoring facts divulged in the PCA. One must remember that this process is one of calculated revelation. IMO, this man has a great deal of explaining to do If he wishes to be ”exonerated “.

 

[SophieRose]

This is true, she also said she heard what she thought was K saying "someone's here".

But the PCA also said it could have been XK who said it as she was using her cell phone at that time. The dog might have been making noises by himself.

 

[layer]

You seem to be ignoring facts divulged in the PCA.

How so? What facts am I ignoring?

 

[General wooster]

I don't recall, so asking: did Dylan say the masked man wore a head covering? If not, there could have been minute drops of victims' blood in the killer's hair, which could have been transferred to killer's pillowcase. FTR, I believe the killer is Kohberger, but he has not yet been convicted.

Not yet. Time will come as truth is revealed.

 

[General wooster]

How so? What facts am I ignoring?

I believe you should review the PCA. It seems you have overlooked DNA, a not so minor fact.

 

[Ghostwheel]

RE: Theory of murders in two sets at two times that @layer mentioned. It sounds intriguing. The timing might be better than all at once, but still kind of tight.

From the affidavit:
" A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood strowed muitiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. "

Then

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time a approximalely 4:04 a.m."

This means between 3:29 and sometime before 4:04 am the car passed by 3 times, presumably parking the last time. (have to allow time for vehicle to leave via Walenta the first time then come back so maybe 3: 57?) Assuming best case each pass took one minute, that gives us 3:32 at park time. So 25 minutes to park, go in, not disturb the dog on this entry? (no barking during this time on a camera that we know of), kill M &K and not wake up DM?( unless there is more to her testimony) and leave. That is best case scenario, and more likely 20 minutes. This does increase kill time by nearly double, but strange that the dog does not bark at that time (assuming it does not-it might and was not important to the affidavit).

But if it took that long (the whole available 20-25 minutes), how did BK figure out he was missing anything in just a few minutes while driving? Just long enough to leave by Walenta, and return at 4:04. Unless he was dumping things in a nearby dumpster that was after leaving on Walenta. I mean, who drives after committing murder and takes inventory while driving? (Could happen, I suppose) so this might tighten up kill time even more since he needed enough time to discover something was missing.

It is interesting that they don't give the time he first left by Walenta.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m curious about the sliding glass door. I thought I read somewhere that there was no visible sign of forced entry so was the door locked or broken? LE put stools on front of it before they left so that would seem to indicate that the lock was broken? Would there be any liability on the part of the homeowner if the lock was broken?

And why was the front door wide open the morning after? Could one of the roommates have had a guest that stayed overnight and left early in the am wo closing the door completely? JMO wonderings.

In the photo of the sliding door, (to me) the lockset looks either missing or removed. What are your thoughts?

Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death

Unearthed blueprints and layout plans of the off-campus house where four Idaho college students were brutally stabbed to death reveal where each of the friends were found slain earlier this month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Yep. I manage my dads kit and had the big-700 done at FTDNA

I wish I could get my paternal Y-DNA. My ad died in 1993, all of his brother's have died except one and we do not speak. My brother and I do not speak and I do not know any male cousins from my dads brothers, only male cousins from my dads sisters.
I did get my whole genome sequenced and I am gradually learning why I have certain health conditions (They do not translate the genome results for you, just give you the raw data but luckily I have a biotechnology diploma and know how to read the data, so I am slowly getting through it, there is alot!)
The speed at which the technology regarding DNA is advancing is amazing. I am not suprised if this case has a majority of DNA from all parties involved.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It's WSU (Washington State University,) not UW (University of Washington.) WSU main campus is in Pullman. UW main campus is in Seattle on the other side of the state. They are distinctly different universities.

(I'm a WA resident and UW alum.)

Sidenote: Ted Bundy briefly attended UW and his first know victim was Karen Sparks, a UW student.

Just a mistake, but it didn't really change the meaning of the post.

 

[PrairieWind]

I think it looks like the lock is there but i'm not sure. But it brings up a question i have had: was that door unlocked? Did the killer know it would unlocked? Did he break it? Was there a plan if it wasn't unlocked? I think this might be significant.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

But he could have cleaned it in a somewhat cursory way in WA (I suspect he had lined parts of the interior with plastic, which were discarded immediately on his way home from the murder). But scrubbing and sanitizing his car may have attracted someone observing him in WA, especially in his apartment complex parking lot. So perhaps upon being “safely” (ha!) back in PA, he decided to do the comprehensive cleaning of the vehicle. You know, with bleach or industrial strength cleaners, wiping down every nook and cranny. And did it in the middle of the night so even his parents wouldn’t be aware of his activity. JMO.

I don't know, that just doesn't make sense to me. His car wasn't tied down in WA. He could have easily taken gone somewhere else for the day/night to clean it. Waiting a whole month and a cross-country trip seems very suspect to me. The only way I'd buy this is if he'd already cleaned his car and he was spooked by the traffic stops so he chose to clean it again in PA. Nothing else makes sense to me. MOO.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Allegedly, used hire cars to stalk the house on approx dozen occasions.
Police would be checking hire data. Explain away the hire cars. Police evasion.

 

[Ccging]

Allegedly, used hire cars to stalk the house on approx dozen occasions.
Police would be checking hire data. Explain away the hire cars. Police evasion.

So you think he actually used Uber during his stalking? Just curious why you think this??

 

[mmeynstyn]

It's WSU (Washington State University,) not UW (University of Washington.) WSU main campus is in Pullman. UW main campus is in Seattle on the other side of the state. They are distinctly different universities.

(I'm a WA resident and UW alum.)

Sidenote: Ted Bundy briefly attended UW and his first know victim was Karen Sparks, a UW student.

Interesting sidenote - Maybe that is why BK decided to get his Phd from WSU.....Wa State seems to have history with serial killers....Ted Bundy, Green River Killer, Isaiah Keyes. I think there was another but can't remember name.

Actually, I doubt it had anything to do with it - just interesting though. Something draws them to Wa State.

 

[Gemmie]

I just thought it was odd that they said they had video from MG but they didn't mention the places that the other victims worked (I think K worked at a coffeeshop? and I'm not sure if E had a job during the school year). I assumed this was all done back in November.

Perhaps it was merely because 2 of the victims worked there AND it served vegan food which was more interesting to MSM than the places of employment of the other 2 victims. MOO

 

[Rigatoni999]

I decided LE knows best about this case. If they have facts and details they choose to keep from the public, so what? We have no right or need to know. The defense attny will get it all in Discovery. I believe there is evidence the public isn't aware of that will be presented at trial.

"We have no right or need to know." Completely disagree. What if this guy didn't do it? Then there's a quadruple murderer on the loose. We don't have the right to know that it is safe in Moscow? IMO it is going to be 2 years until trial. That's a lot of time for more murders and mayhem to just blindly think this thing is solved and everything is hunky dory. JMO.

 

[SophieRose]

RE: Theory of murders in two sets at two times that @layer mentioned. It sounds intriguing. The timing might be better than all at once, but still kind of tight.

From the affidavit:
" A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood strowed muitiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. "

Then

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time a approximalely 4:04 a.m."

This means between 3:29 and sometime before 4:04 am the car passed by 3 times, presumably parking the last time. (have to allow time for vehicle to leave via Walenta the first time then come back so maybe 3: 57?) Assuming best case each pass took one minute, that gives us 3:32 at park time. So 25 minutes to park, go in, not disturb the dog on this entry? (no barking during this time on a camera that we know of), kill M &K and not wake up DM?( unless there is more to her testimony) and leave. That is best case scenario, and more likely 20 minutes. This does increase kill time by nearly double, but strange that the dog does not bark at that time (assuming it does not-it might and was not important to the affidavit).

But if it took that long (the whole available 20-25 minutes), how did BK figure out he was missing anything in just a few minutes while driving? Just long enough to leave by Walenta, and return at 4:04. Unless he was dumping things in a nearby dumpster that was after leaving on Walenta. I mean, who drives after committing murder and takes inventory while driving? (Could happen, I suppose) so this might tighten up kill time even more since he needed enough time to discover something was missing.

So where is the knife? Is it in the trunk? When he dumps everything he can see the knife and it's unsheathed, others here say it's unsafe uncovered. Surely he must notice it then.

 

[Rigatoni999]

Yes, facts do certainly matter. There are many facts that are already revealed. No doubt, many more to follow. The shoe print is a toss card. You seem to be ignoring facts divulged in the PCA. One must remember that this process is one of calculated revelation. IMO, this man has a great deal of explaining to do If he wishes to be ”exonerated “.

Yes. Further, do we think LE would just toss this shoe print info out with no reason? Every word in the PCA was included for a purpose, was reviewed by many investigators, thought about for hours and days, and for reasons they already have, IMO.