ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 30

[otto]

Otto,

I’m not quite sure we know what direction on Rt. 8.

Is she calling Styner a side street off Rt. 8

Why am I thinking it all happened fast from her description.

I don't think she's calling Styner a side street. That's the same road as White Avenue, just on the other side of Hwy 8. The vehicle turned left or right off White Ave and then took a side street ... is the best I can understand.

 

[GhostGhost]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602870499704328193

"New FOX report of white car spotted near gas station – went to surrounding businesses. One business told me police showed up 9 days after murders and their surveillance video had automatically deleted. Deletes after a week."

I really, really hope LE did not make this kind of fundamental mistake in this case. FBI was called in early. No excuse.

Oh my. That’s a problem.

 

[pentimento]

Something's off with the DM reporting IMO. It can't be "speeding away from the crime scene" and also going west on White Ave, which would be towards the crime scene. Very confusing reporting, and Fox has it as Highway 8.

• A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house
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• She said she spent days poring over surveillance footage from the night of November 13 before she spotted a white sedan traveling westbound on White Avenue at around 3.45am the night of the murder before turning down a side street.
  
  
  

  Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

  A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house the night of the quadruple homicide.

  www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

You can tell in the photo the road has 1 lane in each direction and based on the curb/gas station driveway it is clear the camera is looking at White Ave and the car is heading west toward Rt 8.

It's hard to tell. There is a turn lane on the hwy 8 side of Mobile/Exon the angle of the camera gives the impression of two lanes when looking at the hwy 8 side of the station

 

[Laserlok13]

I wonder if LE may have had tunnel vision in the beginning of the case, believing that the perp had to be from the community. If so, they may not have felt they needed to look outside of the community and, therefore, didn’t think obtaining and reviewing surveillance on routes out of town were worthy of their available resources at the time (right or wrong, I won’t say). Then when they realized there was the real possibility that it wasn’t someone in Moscow that committed the murders, they started checking for surveillance on the edges of town. They didn’t start including their request for video surveillance in specific areas until November 19th, 6 days after the murders.

So we are thinking the killer drive up to the house in a car and parked out front, walked in and killed four people without making much noise, got back in the car and drove away without being noticed by the <modsnip - no link> other two roommates who were sleeping??

 

[Past Mortem]

You can tell in the photo the road has 1 lane in each direction and based on the curb/gas station driveway it is clear the camera is looking at White Ave and the car is heading west toward Rt 8.

Great catch!

 

[Jaxflats]

Could you please make a map for the directionally challenged? tia

I’m not sure how, but you can plug in the gas station address and pull up google maps. The white in the photo appears to be snow. The camera seems to be near eye level (it’s not looking down on the car). I visualize the camera may be mounted on the north side of the gas canopy….potentially.

 

[layer]

Is it safe to say we can now narrow the murder time from 3-3:45am....

I wouldn't think so, unless there is way more evidence that this car's occupant(s) was involved than they have released. Which, of course, is possible. But I'm keeping my mind open until we learn more.

 

[Emerald1328]

I went looking for a source as to the time of death being between 3am and 4am. The only source I could find is that it came from the mayor in the beginning stages of the investigation. Does anyone have a link that attributes it to someone more official? Given the blunders he made in the beginning with false and/or assumed info, I am not sure I’m willing to make this a definitive timeframe of death, in my mind at least.

Idaho college murders: 2 surviving roommates not believed to be involved, police say

Police are pleading with the public to help them find the unknown suspect who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death.

abcnews.go.com

 

[The Observer]

So we are thinking the killer drive up to the house in a car and parked out front, walked in and killed four people without making much noise, got back in the car and drove away without being noticed by the <modsnip - no link> other two roommates who were sleeping??

No. IIRC the Elantra was spotted behind the apartment building in the no through section where you have to turn around and come back the same way. The perp, if driving (Elantra or not), could've parked there or behind the house, down the street, literally anywhere.

 

[Parsnip]

Park the car at Safeway, pull out a bike and take a 10 minute ride along the Latah Trail, commit 4 murders, then take another 10 minute ride back to the Safeway, put bike in car and peel out. Ditch bike on side road off of White and continue out of town.

IMHO, seems risky and implausible, but so do these murders.

 

[otto]

Could you please make a map for the directionally challenged? tia

You can see White Ave, Troy Rd, Styner Ave and Hwy 8. Red line is direction of car.

 

[Emerald1328]

So we are thinking the killer drive up to the house in a car and parked out front, walked in and killed four people without making much noise, got back in the car and drove away without being noticed by the <modsnip - no link> other two roommates who were sleeping??

I don’t know that I believe he drove up and then drove away, but I sure do believe he entered without making much noise and the surviving roommates either didn’t hear anything, or heard something that sounded so routine or benign that it didn’t concern them. Understandably.

 

[layer]

"New FOX report of white car spotted near gas station – went to surrounding businesses. One business told me police showed up 9 days after murders and their surveillance video had automatically deleted. Deletes after a week."

I really, really hope LE did not make this kind of fundamental mistake in this case. FBI was called in early. No excuse.

Shades of Delphi...

 

[Past Mortem]

This is likely a really dumb question… but based on the image of the car at the petrol station, am I correct in assuming the following based on the direction of the car in the image…

- if the car is on White Ave then it’s travelling WEST towards Troy Rd/Styner Ave

- if the car is on Troy Rd then the car is travelling South-East towards the McDonalds and Subway

? Camera’s don’t do some weird image flip thing do they? Because if that’s the case than we would surely have the direction of travel for certain for either White or Troy. It would also mean my earlier theory was incorrect.

 

[BlueTunes]

The car is speeding and heading towards the house, but, if the murders occurred between 3-4 AM and the car in question is at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder, there are two possibilities for the location of the car at 3:45 AM:

• the car is speeding to the house prior to the murders and murders occurred at 4 AM, or
• the car took an unusual route, or wrong turn, after the murders and was speeding to get out of the area

JMO

A third possibility is the car may be driving to the victims house to pickup the killer.

 

[Xuxon]

This camera is located in Moscow. There are a bunch of other Idaho Dept. of Transportation traffic cameras in Moscow, including one on the intersection of Palouse River Dr. and 95. It does not appear that the Idaho DOT makes the camera archives available to the public, but I would hope they have their own archive that LE can access (I would assume police would have already reviewed these early on the investigation, but it seems odd that if that were the case it would take nearly a month for them to identify a car of interest, MOO).

I had a large piece of construction equipment stolen a few years ago here in Idaho. I contacted ITD who operates these cameras to try and track it down. They informed me these are live streaming cameras and not capable of recording.

 

[GhostGhost]

I don't think she's calling Styner a side street. That's the same road as White Avenue, just on the other side of Hwy 8. The vehicle turned left or right off White Ave and then took a side street ... is the best I can understand.

Probably

Unless she couldn’t remember the name of Styner and called it a side street.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

Something's off with the DM reporting IMO. It can't be "speeding away from the crime scene" and also going west on White Ave, which would be towards the crime scene. Very confusing reporting, and Fox has it as Highway 8.

• A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house
• 
  
• She said she spent days poring over surveillance footage from the night of November 13 before she spotted a white sedan traveling westbound on White Avenue at around 3.45am the night of the murder before turning down a side street.
  
  
  

  Idaho murder update: Clerk at gas station spots 'white sedan'

  A clerk at an Idaho gas station may have spotted a white sedan speeding away from the scene of the University of Idaho students' off-campus house the night of the quadruple homicide.

  www.dailymail.co.uk

I believe DM had meant to type hwy 8. White car driving down White Ave ... Suspicious typo. There is no reason to be speeding toward Moscow if you had already passed toward the east. And you would not want to be speeding to your crime scene to commit a murder at 4 AM without time to scout the area. I am sticking with Fox news as correct and DM as a typo

 

[Balthazar]

It is mind-boggling to me that police supposedly waited 9 days to review security footage from businesses in the area.

Not just LE but the FBI as well.