ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[Jules71]

ITA...he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's so strange. I also noticed that the sheriff neglected to say that they also stopped for diesel fuel...it was Deputy Penner that interrupted to tell the reporter that Kunz made another stop. Hmmm

Yep but in the article Nate writes Bowerman said they stopped for diesel fuel. Bowerman didn't say it. Geeez.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

 

[aussiemom]

Does anyone know the difference in age between the GGP and IR?

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Uh

"I don’t believe the store has a surveillance (system), but we have a receipt that shows they purchased certain items,” Bowerman said. “The time was stamped on the receipt, so we believe that’s where they went.”

Why on earth wouldn't there be a definitive on the surveillance camera? Good grief. I mean there either is or isn't one.

His response was deplorable

 

[bessie]

I wouldn't say that I was 100% certain (that little Deorr was at the store) unless I'd been there in person to see him with my own eyes.

And if I were the sheriff, I'd be reluctant to advertise that the store definitely has no security cameras. So my response would be ambivalent.

Just a couple of thoughts.

 

[desert-blue]

Does anyone know the difference in age between the GGP and IR?

I believe GGP is 76 and IR is around 35 or so. Which makes the age difference about 40 years give or take...

 

[haven71]

Not too impressed with the interview. The sheriff seemed almost reluctant to answer questions. Interesting that he mentioned only 3 adults, and his confidence in their truthful accounts, and only mentioned IR when prompted. It seemed to me he was less certain about IR's possible involvement, or why wouldn't he have said all 4 were cooperative in the first place? He didn't mention IR until he was prompted to do so. Was it ever stated in MSM that he actually SAW Deorr right before he went missing? Maybe IR has very little to do with it because he never saw him with GGP or the parents. In the interview, based on his words and demeanor, make me suspicious. He may know something that he's reluctant to tell. Or, he was under the influence and could barely string a coherent sentence together. Perhaps he was even super drunk or high and really didn't know what was going on around him.

Did SAR employ tracking, cadavar, AND air scent dogs? I didn't realize til I read up on it that scent dogs but they only follow a human scent. They don't sniff the belongings of a missing person first. That fact obviously complicates things when other people were nearby. Whose scent are they following? Could be anyone's! I would think that since GGP, IR, and parents were the last at the campsite (before the searchers and after Deorr disappeared) that an air scent dog would most likely follow the scent of the more recent humans in the area. I guess it's possible that someone carried, as opposed to being dragged by an animal, him outside the search perimeter, however far that could be.

How far away is the toilet/latrine from the main campsite? I'm sure it's been searched, but it occurred to me that if a child's body was carried and deposited in there that the scent would be highly masked. Also, I wonder if Deorr was potty trained and decided to go potty? Surely he would be screaming and someone would've heard him had he accidentally fallen in. These are probably moot points as I'm sure the toilet receptacle had to have been searched.

As for the sheriff's 99% assurance that Deorr has not been abducted, well, I'm sure he leaves that 1% opening to cover his own butt in the future. Until little Deorr is found, nothing can be ruled out completely.

I feel like chalking the disappearance up to Bigfoot and calling it a day! Little Deorr's case is frustrating and he is always on my mind.

 

[relay]

Disappointed. Everyone is just peachy and I'm good with them and everyone has been cooperating. I'm 99% sure the baby was there. Oh and Isaac is so helpful to ride out there with me. Oh yay, and grandpa's name is Bob Walton. Big frickin deal. WHERE IS DEORR JR????

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Sometimes when detectives believe they are at a point with a POI in which hard pressure is likely the best tactic to use to get said POI to talk, they do it, and we sometimes read/see it in the media. However, if detectives are at a place with a POI in which they do not have enough evidence (yet) to pressure a POI into a confession or at least truthful answers, they often treat the POI with kid gloves, acting as if they trust and believe in the POI so as not to push the POI to lawyer up as well as to maintain a dialogue and maintain/establish trust. It is a good tactic.

I did notice that the Sheriff seemed to group the GGF and parents separately from the friend at 2:32 in the video (http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/). The Sheriff freely spoke about feeling good abut the parents and GGF, but does not mention his thoughts on the friend until he is asked, at which time he seems to hem and haw. At 3:13 the Sheriff stated, "...Until we find a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise, I think he's being very truthful." I got the sense that the Sheriff does feel that the parents and GGG were not involved, yet I get the sense that he is not so sure about the friend. MOO.

I personally cannot rule out anything yet. Unless there was a camera at the only road leading into/out of the campsite, I can't even fully rule out that it was a stranger abduction. Of all of the animal predators who could have taken Deorr, I believe a cougar who is a stealth, silent ambush predator who buries what they don't consume for later would be most likely. Looking at the videos and pictures, I also think he could be there somewhere in the natural debris or in the water. I hope and pray he will be found.

 

[AnnaGrace]

Sadly imo "not'

Right! I'm less than 99% sure I heard an almost interview. :juggling:

 

[relay]

Not too impressed with the interview. The sheriff seemed almost reluctant to answer questions. Interesting that he mentioned only 3 adults, and his confidence in their truthful accounts, and only mentioned IR when prompted. It seemed to me he was either less certain about IR's involvement...or...was it ever mentioned that IR actually saw Deorr in that short window of time? Perhaps his back was turned, fishing, an

I hadn't yet read your post, but I just elaborated on the Sheriff's words regarding the parents/GGF versus the friend as well.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Right! I'm less than 99% sure I heard an almost interview. :juggling:

And I think you're being truthful about that unless I find evidence of the contrary.

I'm good with you, though!

 

[ILOKAL]

I think they got a clue and are awaiting for the FBI to suss it out. JMO

Yup, seems they may even have MORE than a clue.

 

[aussiemom]

I believe GGP is 76 and IR is around 35 or so. Which makes the age difference about 40 years give or take...

Does that seem odd to you? IR's interview led me to believe he was a little slow. At first I thought a care taker for GGP but after seeing him, I doubt it. Interesting relationship for two people of such a large age gap.

 

[Mickshawn]

Interesting that he doesn't include "truthful" when discussing the 3 family members. If what we have heard from "rumors" is true and there is some sort of familial connection between the sheriff and POI's, it could place him in a very awkward position. The sheriff would want the announcement of any family involvement to come from the FBI. I certainly hope that situation is one of "passing the child to a friend or relative (for whatever reason)" rather than the alternatives. At least that would be an indicator that the little guy is alive and well. jmho

If there is a family connection here, couldn't the Sheriff have not taken the case due to conflict of interest?

 

[Deleted member 718]

No, I don't think so because he clearly states he is “99 percent sure” DeOrr was at the campground with his parents, DeOrr Kunz Sr. and Jessica Mitchell, great-grandfather, Robert Walton, and Isaac Reinwand, a friend of the grandfather, when the 2-year-old was last seen. If there was proof he would be 100% sure right?

An example might be if there are photos of Deorr at the campground that afternoon. Still photos can be manipulated so he's waiting for FBI to confirm. That leaves him 99% sure.

I did read there were no photos but who knows. Just citing an example.

 

[*JMO*]

So if both parents and friend were at the creek --“He’s downstream, they’re upstream and they’re all within probably 100 to 150 feet of each other.”-- and baby was last seen by GGF toddling toward the bank... and the creek is on the other side of the bank... then that seems to indicate he headed toward the adults, either upstream or downstream.

It would be helpful to know exactly what part of the bank he was heading toward, but I am getting used to just being thrown a few crumbs in this case.

There are conclusions one might make about who could have seen the baby as he went over the bank toward the creek.

Since falling into the creek has been ruled out, according to LE, anyway...it just that seems someone in the party in that close of proximity might have noticed him if he got all the way down the bank.


Unless he changed directions and didn't head toward the creek at all.ullhair:

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Does that seem odd to you? IR's interview led me to believe he was a little slow. At first I thought a care taker for GGP but after seeing him, I doubt it. Interesting relationship for two people of such a large age gap.

Seems odd to me knowing the age gap and that Deorr's parents had never met IR before. They must suspect him, I would, he's a stranger to them.

Makes me wonder if he went on that trip on purpose. Camping with intent. Or within tent.

 

[wondering25]

I wonder.. everyone uses rhe word abduction.. I think everyone including the sheriff and family use that to mean kidnapping.. but there are subtle differences in the 2 definitions.Wouold it make a difference if the question was posed "do you think Deorr was kidnapped?" JMO

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-abduction-and-kidnapping

 

[kammiemc]

I think they got a clue and are awaiting for the FBI to suss it out. JMO

I think they have a clue as well! The grandpa saw the boy go over the bank to the creek. That is a steep bank that we saw in the video of the campground! Unless the grandpa saw the parents go after the toddler down the bank, wouldn't he get up and chase him or yell for help? If he wasn't physically able to get up and follow the boy, I don't believe that the parents ever actually left the toddler with ggp near the bank/creek. Toddlers explore. That's what they do.

The sheriff seems to be basing his feeling "good" about the POI's based on the fact that they are cooperating. That is not a high bar in my mind. Of course they are cooperating. If they refused to cooperate, they might as well scream out "I was involved!" I imagine he wants to keep a good rapport with all the POI's because he doesn't want the info to stop coming. He can't exactly say publicly that he thinks one or the other is shady if he doesn't have enough evidence to prove it and bring charges.

I don't think he's good at all with anyone if he even thinks there is an albeit slim chance that the little boy never made it to the campground.

It is great to finally know at least the arrival time, that someone went to the store on Fri and that IR said he was downstream at the creek when the boy went missing. (Coincidence that ggp says the boy went over the bank to the creek and IR was at the creek and then the boy went missing?)

Another train of thought, if the boy fell down the bank and went into the creek he could have drowned. I don't know if that could get the parents or ggp into legal trouble, but, if so, could that be possible motive for a cover up of an accidental death?

I am having trouble with the fact that the parents didn't clarify with Nate that they arrived Thurs. He interviewed them directly. He relayed the information they gave him. That is very suspicious to me. If they were upset about rumors, why wouldn't they want to clarify the rumor that they arrived Fri. There is a reason. We just don't know what it is.

Also, we know the dad left the campground in his car after they returned from the store (per his own, deeply explained account). I wish we knew where he went--was it really just a half mile down the road?

I'm sorry, this case isn't getting less fishy, it's getting more fishy!

 

[aussiemom]

Can we sleuth IR? He kinda gives me the creeps.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

All I can hope for is that this sheriff is a bumbling Columbo type. For you young ones here you may have to google.