Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #65

[indicolite22]

Well now she's competent, so treat her like any other prisoner. She isn't special.

She was just transfered to jail from the medical facility. She didn't get her hair done in jail. Where's the special treatment?

 

[BeachSky]

Lori was always HIDING! …in Hawaii …in a rehab facility. …She can’t anymore !
Woo-hoo!

 

[LinasK]

She was just transfered to jail from the medical facility. She didn't get her hair done in jail. Where's the special treatment?

Her hair was clearly colored and blow-dryed for that mug shot. You don't know where it was done.

 

[Diddian]

Yes, that's what I meant, a trial is a serious business, hopefully the jury will focus on the evidence and not her hairstyle, or trying to read her mind as she sits in court.

ETA, but I believe the judge would not have declared her competent without ensuring she understands that she may face the death penalty. And I think judges know a lot more about this than I do.

JMO

I agree with you about where the focus should be and that the judge has been careful to ensure that she understands the penalty that is potentially facing her.

Personally, I think it likely that LVD believes the imposition of the death penalty would not impact her essential being because she believes herself an untouchable goddess spirit inside an earthly person suit that she has managed to keep beautiful and fit. She likely believes if the State destroys her existing "earthly person suit," she - the goddess - will simply gain another.

That she believes this is as irrelevant as was Kaczynski's belief that his criminal actions were warranted because of what he viewed as the threats to civilization posed by technology. Or, Manson's claimed beliefs that he was uniquely suited to serve the role of inciting an apocalyptic race war (helter-skelter).

IMO, in LVD's case (and in CD's), these beliefs are not indicators of mental illness; they are the tenets of her (and his) personally chosen religion. These aren't delusions produced by irregular brain chemistry or brain damage caused by injury from high dives or falls or fused in response to high-pressure traumatic circumstances; they are beliefs willfully explored, chosen, cultivated, and acted upon in the ordinary light of the routine everyday to gain the benefits that LVD and CD gained from the acts those beliefs permitted them without alarm to conscience or accountability to anyone they harmed.

 

[indicolite22]

Her hair was clearly colored and blow-dryed for that mug shot. You don't know where it was done.

If she had access to a hair stylist/salon in Rexburg jail she would have been better groomed at her previous appearance, just before she was declared incompetent.

ETA: According to Justin Lum she was booked into jail at 1AM.

 

[fred&edna]

I agree with you about where the focus should be and that the judge has been careful to ensure that she understands the penalty that is potentially facing her.

Personally, I think it likely that LVD believes the imposition of the death penalty would not impact her essential being because she believes herself an untouchable goddess spirit inside an earthly person suit that she has managed to keep beautiful and fit. She likely believes if the State destroys her existing "earthly person suit," she - the goddess - will simply gain another.

That she believes this is as irrelevant as was Kaczynski's belief that his criminal actions were warranted because of what he viewed as the threats to civilization posed by technology. Or, Manson's claimed beliefs that he was uniquely suited to serve the role of inciting an apocalyptic race war (helter-skelter).

IMO, in LVD's case (and in CD's), these beliefs are not indicators of mental illness; they are the tenets of her (and his) personally chosen religion. These aren't delusions produced by irregular brain chemistry or brain damage caused by injury from high dives or falls or fused in response to high-pressure traumatic circumstances; they are beliefs willfully explored, chosen, cultivated, and acted upon in the ordinary light of the routine everyday to gain the benefits that LVD and CD gained from the acts those beliefs permitted them without alarm to conscience or accountability to anyone they harmed.

Excellent points and opinions, and thoughtfully stated!

 

[887sMtreme]

<snipped for focus>
By the time she goes to trial, I fully expect her to show up in a Sunday suit with glasses on sitting in a lowered seat next to her attorney…that meek innocent look that defense attorneys try to make their clients look like that we can see way past.

Yup. Wearing a beige suit with a pale blue blouse.

 

[887sMtreme]

Wanting a criminal to not receive special treatment is not humiliating, nor mocking her.

She is technically not a criminal yet. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Her hair was clearly colored and blow-dryed for that mug shot. You don't know where it was done.

In all due respect, then where exactly was it done? At this point, a link would probably be good to put the speculation to rest. JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Here's some press on John Thomas, public defender:

A Public Defender's Fight for a Man's Freedom - TCU Magazine

 

[Ruminations]

I should also add that deliberate manipulative behaviors are also a sign of competence. Breaking rules, asking for "favors" from staff, acting differently in front of different staff.

For example, showing favoritism for different staff, in an effort to create drama and staff splitting is a common manipulative behavior. And shows competence, deliberate behavior that is deceptive in nature.

Malingering: Key Points in Assessment

And this is why I tend to doubt she was malingering. She did those kinds “institutional” manipulative actions during the times we saw her. And she was a natural. It seems to me she was incapable of interacting without manipulating, flattering, love bombing, trashing someone not in the room, etc. I am inclined to believe she failed to manipulate while she was incompetent, because the legal system and life in institutions is best “played” with some manipulation, even for ethical people.

The kind of manipulation Lori seemed really good at is often seen in institutional settings like jails and hospitals because- it is a good way to get high on the pecking order and get your needs met.

Lori was so good at it she would thrive in a jail like setting as her former self that i saw. She would be the one with the best bunk, the most friends saving her food, who has a guard who lets her use an office phone, or closes an eye to her contraband. She would, of course, be the one most victimized by being institutionalized. The queen of her block or ward. I can’t see her turning that off and keeping it off to put off a trial, when it was her ordinary way of dealing with the world, where the are other options for getting by than playing such games. There really are not too many other options in institutional settings.

I would think she would be incapable of not being manipulative; therefore I think she would be incapable of malingering. I don’t know how to untwist all those negatives; maybe someone can express this convoluted thought better than I.

That said, I don’t know her, and her victims’ survivors do. I know there are people close to this case who think she is/was malingering, and they have more than body cam and pod cast clips and police interviews for data. So I’m probably wrong. Yet, from what of Lori I know and have seen, Lori is way too manipulative to cease manipulating and getting all of its rewards (which are even greater institutionalized) for long.

IMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yup. Wearing a beige suit with a pale blue blouse.

more likely a navy blue suit, with a slightly beige shirt. Blue is definitely the color for defendants, according to those criminal color specialists.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

And this is why I tend to doubt she was malingering. She did those kinds “institutional” manipulative actions during the times we saw her. And she was a natural. It seems to me she was incapable of interacting without manipulating, flattering, love bombing, trashing someone not in the room, etc. I am inclined to believe she failed to manipulate while she was incompetent, because the legal system and life in institutions is best “played” with some manipulation, even for ethical people.

The kind of manipulation Lori seemed really good at is often seen in institutional settings like jails and hospitals because- it is a good way to get high on the pecking order and get your needs met.

Lori was so good at it she would thrive in a jail like setting as her former self that i saw. She would be the one with the best bunk, the most friends saving her food, who has a guard who lets her use an office phone, or closes an eye to her contraband. She would, of course, be the one most victimized by being institutionalized. The queen of her block or ward. I can’t see her turning that off and keeping it off to put off a trial, when it was her ordinary way of dealing with the world, where the are other options for getting by than playing such games. There really are not too many other options in institutional settings.

I would think she would be incapable of not being manipulative; therefore I think she would be incapable of malingering. I don’t know how to untwist all those negatives; maybe someone can express this convoluted thought better than I.

That said, I don’t know her, and her victims’ survivors do. I know there are people close to this case who think she is/was malingering, and they have more than body cam and pod cast clips and police interviews for data. So I’m probably wrong. Yet, from what of Lori I know and have seen, Lori is way too manipulative to cease manipulating and getting all of its rewards (which are even greater institutionalized) for long.

IMO

Bottom line... Yes, she is totally incapable of NOT manipulating... has been her life plan. But with much of what else you are discussing.... I guess I can't wait for the "unauthorized" articles and accounts of what all these various hospital staff members have seen!!! Even if it is the NY Post!!

 

[CSIDreamer]

Bottom line... Yes, she is totally incapable of NOT manipulating... has been her life plan. But with much of what else you are discussing.... I guess I can't wait for the "unauthorized" articles and accounts of what all these various hospital staff members have seen!!! Even if it is the NY Post!!

I'm finding once you just put your foot down with manipulation, true character tends to emerge. Whatever that may be.

I bet its the same at a mental facility. They know the signs.

JMO

 

[ReadySet]

Adding to my post: Nate also said patients can wear street clothes and get their hair done when they are at the hospital. So I'm sure that's why her hair looks good. I understand it bothers some, but I'm not among them. Let her have her hair, meh.

I guess I missed this, did we know that LD was way the heck up in Orofino receiving treatment? She was at State Hospital North. That's about 480 miles, nearly an eight hour drive from Rexburg.

That's per Nate Eaton on a Reporter's Roundtable interview I heard today on our local public radio station.

It's Boise State Public Radio, but I can't find link. So imo

 

[RickshawFan]

Her hair looks great. Her face looks much older. And hardened.

I agree to that. She actually seems quite puffy to me—maybe from medication, maybe just prison weight gain, or different diet. That's lipstick?

 

[887sMtreme]

more likely a navy blue suit, with a slightly beige shirt. Blue is definitely the color for defendants, according to those criminal color specialists.

Ah, then my age is showing. Used to be the khaki/blue combo to project guilelessness and innocence. Your combo — navy and ecru — is the Brooks Brothers staple. Downright preppy, not to be confused with preppER.

 

[LinasK]

I agree to that. She actually seems quite puffy to me—maybe from medication, maybe just prison weight gain, or different diet. That's lipstick?

Yeah, light pink lipstick. She may also have some eyeshadow and mascara on too.

 

[Spartygirl]

She is technically not a criminal yet. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

True, but we know better than that, JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

more likely a navy blue suit, with a slightly beige shirt. Blue is definitely the color for defendants, according to those criminal color specialists.

Who knew ?? I sure didn't LOL but then Ive never been in that position as a defendant.
Too bad they cant wear their "stripes" into court but I guess they need to look somewhat presentable. IMO