IL - Actor Jussie Smollett allegedly attacked in hate crime Jan 2019 #5 Smollett indicted”

[anonypotomous]

Believe me KALI people here are talking about this.

KALI? Do you mean California? Or “Cali”? (Ugh)
Yes, I am a California native

Kali is a Hindu goddess.

 

[MassGuy]

While that’s certainly one way to look at it, many of us who are interested in social justice and preventing hate crimes see it entirely differently. Focusing a great deal of energy and anger on a single hoax won’t really do anything to prevent further hate crimes. Instead, it’s the abundance of real hate crimes we focus on, trying to find solutions to this very real problem. So really, I find it unfair and untrue to state that those who care about hate crimes must care a great deal about a single hoax. One hoax vs the many real instances - there’s no contest there.

I think the folks in Chicago who are not paying much mind to this and simply moving forward are pretty smart, as anger will only fuel the fire and cause more hatred.

It’s not about how objective people view it, it’s the rest.

Anyone who follows this type of thing, knows two things:

Hoaxes are rare.

Hate crimes happen all too often.

Those people aren’t the problem.

The problem is people who aren’t aware of these realities, and spew ignorance on social media and beyond.

That’s why this type of thing is so harmful.

It gives ammunition to the ignorant.

 

[Herat]

Just a little comic relief...

If that is really him speaking he is really badly overacting.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It’s not about how objective people view it, it’s the rest.

Anyone who follows this type of thing, knows two things:

Hoaxes are rare.

Hate crimes happen all too often.

Those people aren’t the problem.

The problem is people who aren’t aware of these realities, and spew ignorance on social media and beyond.

That’s why this type of thing is so harmful.

Honest question. How does focusing an intense amount of outrage and anger on a rare hoax, not for a day, but for days on end or weeks, help the situation? What does it do to prevent real hate crimes?

 

[mister happy]

If that is really him speaking he is really badly overacting.

Yes it is him speaking. It was taken from the GMA interview:

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Honest question. How does focusing an intense amount of outrage and anger on a rare hoax, not for a day, but for days on end or weeks, help the situation? What does it do to prevent real hate crimes?

What did Jussie's huge lie do to prevent real hate crimes?

 

[MassGuy]

Honest question. How does focusing an intense amount of outrage and anger on a rare hoax, not for a day, but for days on end or weeks, help the situation? What does it do to prevent real hate crimes?

This isn’t about preventing hate crimes, this is about the impact it has on real hate crimes.

I stopped following this case after it became clear that everything we had heard repeated over and over for days on end, was a lie.

The media coverage when this happened, was nonstop.

Now the story isn’t about the hoax. The story is about a celebrity receiving special treatment.

It is about a failure of justice, and the untold harm caused by a misdirection of police resources.

Chicago detectives are overworked, and were forced to chase a ghost for the better part of a month.

This wasn’t harmless.

 

[Tim Callahan]

Wow. This certainly isn’t the most heinous crime of the 21st century, but has the makings of being one of the most outlandish, from the very outset!

Several quick and random observations:
1). I predict a “Freddie Gray” effect in Chicago — after the police were dressed down and rioters were given their “free space” in Baltimore, violent crime shot through the roof. I think a very similar thing could happen with minor crimes in Chicago — maybe the CPD will send a not so subtle message to the State’s Attorneys office.
2). People can argue otherwise, but IMO, it looks crystal clear that strings were pulled to get the charges dropped. If so, I’m guessing he squandered his Get Out Of Jail Free Card on the case where he would have likely received probation. If he was playing 5 dimensional chess, he should have bit the bullet and gone to trial, because if the other shoe drops (federal charges), it’s unlikely he’ll be able to get bailed out again — too much scrutiny.
3). Someone said earlier that karma will catch up to him. I fully believe this. Call it karma, answering to a higher power, the arc of justice, what goes around comes around, being his own worst enemy, etc., I think this’ll come back to him one way or the other — someone with so much hubris and chutzpah that he’s quadrupling down on his actions and words — he will either cross the wrong person or people, harm himself inadvertently or intentionally, or something. Rest assured, this will catch up with him one way or another. I hope for his sake he gets help — IMO he needs it.

 

[Tim Callahan]

The facts and evidence are clear here, but there are people out there who don’t care.

They will believe what they want to believe, and find any justification for doing so.

A gullible person is easily fooled; a delusional person fools themselves.

 

[Snoods]

The real question is: how can his attorneys talk such a load of BS without collapsing into laughter and wetting themselves?

Just hold on, little missy! Here is video proof of the brother’s proficiency at applying whiteface. Are you saying you wouldn’t have believed this to be a white man? Case. Closed.

Just when you think you’ve reached the bottom of bat s*** crazy...boom! Bat s*** crazy underground garage!

He did tell police that from what he saw, he thought it was white or pale skin, that's what he initially said. Obviously, you can disguise that. You can put make-up on,'" she said.

Glandian pointed out a YouTube video Abel Osundairo made in 2016 in which he wore white makeup to perform a Joker monologue from the film The Dark Knight.

"There's a video, it took me all of five minutes when I was looking into the brothers, to of one of the brothers in whiteface doing the Joker monologue," she said.

Smollett attorney: Actor thought attackers were white because they could have been wearing makeup

 

[Snoods]

No one except those two white, homophobic, racist fans of Empire who immediately recognized him and lo and behold had a noose and some bleach ready on a cold Chicago polar vertex night!

Don’t forget they were very inconspicuously wearing stark white stage makeup around their eyes and black ski masks, which were topped with red caps. They totally blended.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Honest question. How does focusing an intense amount of outrage and anger on a rare hoax, not for a day, but for days on end or weeks, help the situation? What does it do to prevent real hate crimes?

You don't view trying to frame a race or group for a crime as a hate crime? That racial criminal framing isn't seen as a 'real hate crime,' would seem exactly why to focus on it until it is seen as a real hate crime. Racial targeting shouldn't be dismissed as something that isn't hateful.

 

[Thora_Jay]

The brothers “could” have been wearing white makeup according to his lawyer.

Well what about the UBER they took right after the hoax? Obviously the driver would have seen the white face makeup. Don’t forget they were on video when they took that ride share.
Just because they have an old white face video does not mean they did it the night of the hoax.
I doubt they carried around baby wipes to wipe off makeup.

Just my opinion.

 

[TTF14]

I doubt they carried around baby wipes to wipe off makeup.

Maybe they just used bleach......

 

[JerseyGirl]

Jussie Smollett Nominated For NAACP Image Award: ‘I Hope He Wins’

“Black-ish” star Anthony Anderson, who is hosting the award show for the sixth time, hopes to see Smollett there. Anderson said, “I hope he wins…I’m happy for him that the system worked for him in his favor because the system isn’t always fair, especially for people of color. So I’m glad it worked out for him.”

 

[Deleted member 158085]

This isn’t about preventing hate crimes, this is about the impact it has on real hate crimes.

I stopped following this case after it became clear that everything we had heard repeated over and over for days on end, was a lie.

The media coverage when this happened, was nonstop.

Now the story isn’t about the hoax. The story is about a celebrity receiving special treatment.

It is about a failure of justice, and the untold harm caused by a misdirection of police resources.

Chicago detectives are overworked, and were forced to chase a ghost for the better part of a month.

This wasn’t harmless.

I only asked because it’s been implied that if we care about hate crimes we should all be very angry about this. I didn’t and don’t think that much of the discussion is about that, which is why I asked.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

You don't view trying to frame a race or group for a crime as a hate crime? That racial criminal framing isn't seen as a 'real hate crime,' would seem exactly why to focus on it until it is seen as a real hate crime. Racial targeting shouldn't be dismissed as something that isn't hateful.

Well, I don’t think what he did legally qualifies as a hate crime. That said, I do believe he is guilty of different crimes and should have been prosecuted. I also support the city of Chicago sending him a bill.

 

[cody22]

I only asked because it’s been implied that if we care about hate crimes we should all be very angry about this. I didn’t and don’t think that much of the discussion is about that, which is why I asked.

In your opinion, what aspects of this still ongoing hate crime hoax , are not important enough to discuss on a thread about this still ongoing fake hate crime hoax ?.....moo

 

[cody22]

Well, I don’t think what he did legally qualifies as a hate crime. That said, I do believe he is guilty of different crimes and should have been prosecuted. I also support the city of Chicago sending him a bill.

Well, that answers my question. We just disagree about whether his actions constitute a hate crime. It is an interesting case....moo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In your opinion, what aspects of this still ongoing hate crime hoax , are not important enough to discuss on a thread about this still ongoing fake hate crime hoax ?.....moo

I didn’t say it wasn’t important enough to discuss, but the I am concerned that anyone who has posted an opinion that’s not extreme outrage is essentially being told they must not care about hate crimes. It’s completely untrue. The people with more measured responses seem to get jumped on as if they are defending his actions. It’s interesting and disturbing to watch this happen here.