IL - Actor Jussie Smollett allegedly attacked in hate crime Jan 2019 #5 Smollett indicted”

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SBM

Do you have a link for the amount of resources wasted in each case for comparison purposes?

I doubt an article has been written that specifically compares the costs. I'm sure if you want to know, you could Google.

Way back when I compared these cases simply with regard to the outrage some of us felt about the hoax. "We" were accused of being racists because Jussie is black. I pointed out my outrage was exactly the same for the blond/blue-eyed/white hoaxer Sherri Papini. This is not a race issue. Some of us just REALLY do not like being made to feel like the wool can be pulled over our eyes. Maybe it's a character flaw on "our" parts. It really makes me mad!

 

[Herat]

I think he feels like he did this for a just cause. The ends justifies the means sorta thing. JMO

And the "just cause" was more money in his contract?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I doubt an article has been written that specifically compares the costs. I'm sure if you want to know, you could Google.

Way back when I compared these cases simply with regard to the outrage some of us felt about the hoax. "We" were accused of being racists because Jussie is black. I pointed out my outrage was exactly the same for the blond/blue-eyed/white hoaxer Sherri Papini. This is not a race issue. Some of us just REALLY do not like being made to feel like the wool can be pulled over our eyes. Maybe it's a character flaw on "our" parts. It really makes me mad!

I'm sure there is no article comparing the two cases because they are not alike in my opinion. I guess I should have asked for "links".

The only person who made this about race was Jussie Smollett. JMO

 

[Tillicum]

And the "just cause" was more money in his contract?

No that was his bonus.

 

[otto]

Alford plea was mentioned when someone said that no one ever agrees to charges when they are innocent.

Alford plea was used as an example for when someone does.

Another user posted a story of them pleading when they were innocent.

That is all.

I think I get it. The Smollett Plea is a variation of the Alford Plea. The difference is that the Smollett Plea allows for all charges to be dropped in exchange for money, and the Alford Plea allows for a direct sentence on the basis that all parties agree that there is enough evidence for conviction. The charges are never dropped because when there are no charges, there cannot be an agreement on evidence of guilt (Alford).

 

[Gardenista]

Mark Berman‏Verified account @markberman
Well, this is something. The National District Attorneys Association blasts the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office for its handling of the Jussie Smollett case in Chicago, saying “the rich are treated differently [and] the politically connected receive favorable treatment”

9:46 PM - 27 Mar 2019

 

[Wagtales10]

I think I get it. The Smollett Plea is a variation of the Alford Plea. The difference is that the Smollett Plea allows for all charges to be dropped in exchange for money, and the Alford Plea allows for a direct sentence on the basis that all parties agree that there is enough evidence for conviction. The charges are never dropped because when there are no charges, there cannot be an agreement on evidence of guilt (Alford).

No.
Alford plea was mentioned when someone said that no one ever agrees to charges when they are innocent. An Alford plea was used as an example for someone who does.

Another user also posted a story of them pleading when they were innocent.

That is all.

 

[otto]

Because maybe it didn’t come from them.
I asked for a link to see where it was said he sent it but still am waiting

Isn't that information from one of those news reports. Didn't it come out that authentic criminals don't cut words out of fashion magazines to compose a letter?

In any case, the FBI must not know much about the mail system if they haven't yet figured out who sent the threatening letter to Smollett's place of work. Alternatively, maybe they're doing an inquiry into the letter and that inquiry has concluded.

 

[Puzzles8]

We have no idea if any of the LE people who worked on this case could have apprehended any criminals and prevented further crime if they had worked on other cases.

But they sure as hell could have. JMO

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..

 

[cybervampira]

 

[Gardenista]

Rob Elgas‏Verified account @RobElgasABC7
Jussie Smollett's attorney Patricia Brown Holmes has released a new statement tonight. This thread will include direct quotes:

1. 1. Verified account 2m2 minutes ago
      “We are disappointed the local authorities have continued their campaign against Jussie Smollett after the charges against him have been dropped. The facts are clear. The Assistant State’s Attorney appeared in court and dismissed the charges."
      
      4 replies6 retweets12 likes
      
   2. 
      Verified account 1m1 minute ago
      "Mr. Smollett forfeited his bond. The case is closed. No public official has the right to violate Mr. Smollett’s due process rights."
      
      6 replies3 retweets7 likes
      
   3. 
      Verified account 1m1 minute ago
      "Mr. Smollett, like every citizen, is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Mr. Smollett is entitled to the same Constitutional protections as any citizen charged by the government with a crime..."
      
      1 reply2 retweets7 likes
      
   4. 
      Verified account 23s23 seconds ago
      "...including the right to speak freely about his innocence, the right to be viewed as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and the right to hold the State to its burden of proving him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. None of that has occurred in this case."
      
      0 replies0 retweets1 like
      

 

[Wagtales10]

Isn't that information from one of those news reports. Didn't it come out that authentic criminals don't cut words out of fashion magazines to compose a letter?

In any case, the FBI must not know much about the mail system if they haven't yet figured out who sent the threatening letter to Smollett's place of work. Alternatively, maybe they're doing an inquiry into the letter and that inquiry has concluded.

Well show me.
They never said he sent it.
If they did it would have been posted at least by the 25th time someone asked for that proof.

But nope.

 

[otto]

No.
Alford plea was mentioned when someone said that no one ever agrees to charges when they are innocent. An Alford plea was used as an example for someone who does.

Another user also posted a story of them pleading when they were innocent.

That is all.

I don't get it.

Alford Plea means the suspect agrees that there is enough evidence to convict, and does not plead guilty or not guilty. It's like a no contest statement. The judge then sentences the suspect. No one agrees to an Alford Plea when there are no charges.

The only way that Alford Plea applies here is that after Smollett agreed that there was enough evidence to convict on one charge, and, instead of sentencing, charges were dropped and Smollett paid $10,000 to the courts.

I hope you agree that this is a rather problematic development - one that should cast stern eyes on the courts for error in precedent.

 

[Vedder]

I'm trying to understand the Alford Plea idea that was mentioned upthread.

Smollett is charged with 16 offenses.
Is this the Smollett version of the Alford:

• he admits to the court that there is enough evidence to convict him on at least one of the charges
• he makes a deal to pay the courts $10k and, in exchange, all charges are dropped

If this is what happened, this does need to be a special plea that everyone can use going forward. Call it the Smollett (mentioned a couple of days ago).

How it Works:

• someone commits murder
• murderer admits that there is enough evidence for a conviction (Alford Plea)
• instead of an appropriate sentence, payment for $10,000 or more results in all charges being dropped

You forgot

• volunteer a few hours in a bookstore

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No.
Alford plea was mentioned when someone said that no one ever agrees to charges when they are innocent. An Alford plea was used as an example for someone who does.

Another user also posted a story of them pleading when they were innocent.

That is all.

A person who takes an Alford plea is not found to be innocent.

To be more precise, an Alford plea is a guilty plea by a defendant who claims to be innocent. A no-contest (or “nolo contendere”) plea is a plea by a defendant who accepts punishment but doesn’t admit guilt. Both kinds of plea result in conviction.

Is an Alford Plea the Same as a Guilty Plea? - Lawyers.com

 

[katydid23]

I dont share your belief that celebrities should get special treatment, good or bad.
The same crime has been sentenced the same multiple times over.

Also compared to the other cases, in this less people if any were hurt. The other hoaxes had people actually accused and resources used to come at the accused. JS's is 10x less hurtful than that.

Maybe to you it is ‘less hurtful’.

But if you were a white man in Chicago wearing a MAGA hat then it would be hurtful and dangerous for you.

 

[Wagtales10]

I don't get it.

Alford Plea means the suspect agrees that there is enough evidence to convict, and does not plead guilty or not guilty. It's like a no contest statement. The judge then sentences the suspect. No one agrees to an Alford Plea when there are no charges.

The only way that Alford Plea applies here is that after Smollett agreed that there was enough evidence to convict on one charge, and, instead of sentencing, charges were dropped and Smollett paid $10,000 to the courts.

I hope you agree that this is a rather problematic development - one that should cast stern eyes on the courts for error in precedent.

Again. It was only mentioned when someone said that NO ONE PLEADS GUILTY TO SOMERHING THEY DIDNT DO as an example of ppl pleading out even though they claim innocence.

You are creating a narrative around that post that doesn’t exist and twisting my words

 

[Wagtales10]

Maybe to you it is ‘less hurtful’.

But if you were a white man in Chicago wearing a MAGA hat then it would be hurtful and dangerous for you.

Not taking the bait self delete

 

[Herat]

You forgot

• volunteer a few hours in a bookstore

Need to add: "volunteer to sign autographs for a few hours in a bookstore owned by a sympathetic celebrity friend of the State's Attorney who claimed to have recused herself from your case"

 

[katydid23]

JS paid 10k.
Thats more than the others paid for same crime

He didn’t ‘pay” 10 k. He forfeited it and he complained about it but his lawyers urged him to let it go