IL - Actor Jussie Smollett allegedly attacked in hate crime Jan 2019 #5 Smollett indicted”

[oceanblueeyes]

They don't believe him. They're just liars, like he is. This is about identity politics and there is no level to which they won't descend.

fakehatecrimes.org

I agree as painful as it to admit.

I have said this previously, even recently, but in my heart it is true, although heartbreaking to even think about it. I just feel it is best to face reality, no matter how brutal it may be, rather than run from it or pretend it doesn't exist.

So I will say it again.

Somehow, someway our nation has lost its way. We have lost our moral compass somehow.

Now things that were always known to be bad acts by everyone or evil has somehow been elevated as good acts to many nowadays.

What once was proclaimed as good, and kind acts are now looked at by some as bad acts.

Jussie Smollett's hateful deeds, he intentionally planned, and carried out was such a hateful act against a particular race, a specific gender, and a specific targeted political group yet somehow he is protected, and has no accountability, and walks away scot free?

How can that happen in the year of 2019? We have always prided ourselves as a nation of laws, and order. What happened?

What low bar or standard has Kim Foxx set for others to follow who may have to face her or staff in the future? How can she ever say each one will be treated equally, and fairly?

I can't think of one positive outcome all his painful hoax has done for our country as a whole.

I just wish he hadn't been given a national platform to spread his lies which even went worldwide. I cringe to know the world was watching.

Most hoaxes don't get that amount of attention, and JS knew it, and used it to spread his false claim like a cancer.

Even true victims of hate crimes, no matter their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation, etc, are afforded this amount of attention, which they DO deserve. And knowing JSs claims were all based on his own bald face lies is beyond replusive.

How could he dare do such a vengeful mean act against those he has probably never met in his life??

I will never understand purposefully spreading hate, and divisiveness.

How could anyone with an ounce of human decency even have that capability in their hearts, and minds to even think it was okay, much less carry it out?

I don't think I will ever have an answer to this unexplainable question for it has no rhyme or reasoning for doing so, and it never will.

Jmo

 

[Backstroke10]

They don't believe him. They're just liars, like he is. This is about identity politics and there is no level to which they won't descend.

fakehatecrimes.org

Thanks for the link. There's a lot of fake hate crimes.

 

[mickey2942]

Thanks for the link. There's a lot of fake hate crimes.

I would have been okay with everything dropped for Smollett, if he had admitted his part in the crime. But basically, he got off scott free, even though this is the 2nd time of lying to LEO. The fact that he didn't have to say anything is what I don't get.

Isn't the point of a Grand Jury decision to determine if there is enough evidence to follow through with a trial? The entire justice system has been treated like it is a null system.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

Thanks for the link. There's a lot of fake hate crimes.

Too many, to be sure. A dozen or more a year. One is too many.

They comprise a tiny fraction of the the hundreds of thousands of recorded hate crimes each year, according to the US Bureau of Legal Statistics. (edited to add: sources linked above)

Sobering; all of it.

 

[Randazzo]

used to be if you wanted to be a celebrity you went to hollywood

now you can just go to chicago and pretend to be the victim of a hate crime... and the city will even pay for it!

 

[Backstroke10]

I would have been okay with everything dropped for Smollett, if he had admitted his part in the crime. But basically, he got off scott free, even though this is the 2nd time of lying to LEO. The fact that he didn't have to say anything is what I don't get.

Isn't the point of a Grand Jury decision to determine if there is enough evidence to follow through with a trial? The entire justice system has been treated like it is a null system.

I agree and would have accepted an admission and an apology. I wouldn't have been happy about it but at least it would have been something. Now we have nothing but he and his team making a mockery of the justice system and real victims of hate crimes. IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I agree as painful as it to admit.

I have said this previously, even recently, but in my heart it is true, although heartbreaking to even think about it. I just feel it is best to face reality, no matter how brutal it may be, rather than run from it or pretend it doesn't exist.

So I will say it again.

Somehow, someway our nation has lost its way. We have lost our moral compass somehow.

Now things that were always known to be bad acts by everyone or evil has somehow been elevated as good acts to many nowadays.

What once was proclaimed as good, and kind acts are now looked at by some as bad acts.

Jussie Smollett's hateful deeds, he intentionally planned, and carried out was such a hateful act against a particular race, a specific gender, and a specific targeted political group yet somehow he is protected, and has no accountability, and walks away scot free?

How can that happen in the year of 2019? We have always prided ourselves as a nation of laws, and order. What happened?

What low bar or standard has Kim Foxx set for others to follow who may have to face her or staff in the future? How can she ever say each one will be treated equally, and fairly?

I can't think of one positive outcome all his painful hoax has done for our country as a whole.

I just wish he hadn't been given a national platform to spread his lies which even went worldwide. I cringe to know the world was watching.

Most hoaxes don't get that amount of attention, and JS knew it, and used it to spread his false claim like a cancer.

Even true victims of hate crimes, no matter their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation, etc, are afforded this amount of attention, which they DO deserve. And knowing JSs claims were all based on his own bald face lies is beyond replusive.

How could he dare do such a vengeful mean act against those he has probably never met in his life??

I will never understand purposefully spreading hate, and divisiveness.

How could anyone with an ounce of human decency even have that capability in their hearts, and minds to even think it was okay, much less carry it out?

I don't think I will ever have an answer to this unexplainable question for it has no rhyme or reasoning for doing so, and it never will.

Jmo

I agree with you. One thousand percent. The truth cannot be said enough.

 

[Artis]

Too many, to be sure. A dozen or more a year. One is too many.

They comprise a tiny fraction of the the hundreds of thousands of recorded hate crimes each year, according to the US Bureau of Legal Statistics. (edited to add: sources linked above)

Sobering; all of it.

There are not hundred of thousands of "hate crimes" each year.

People really should research where this un-American concept of "hate crime" and "hate speech" was spawned.

Crime is crime. No crime victim is more important than any other. This isn't Animal Farm (or is it?). The very notion of protected classes of people is an affront to human decency and our constitution.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

There are not hundred of thousands of "hate crimes" each year.

People really should research where this un-American concept of "hate crime" and "hate speech" was spawned.

Crime is crime. No crime victim is more important than any other. This isn't Animal Farm (or is it?). The very notion of protected classes of people is an affront to human decency and our constitution.

Wow; that last sentence is a doozy.

Its fascinating that you disagree with an acceptable, reputable government source. But you know ... even unpopular and minority opinion & speech is protected by our First Amendment.

 

[Artis]

Wow; that last sentence is a doozy.

Its interesting that you so vehemently disagree with an acceptable and reputable government source. But, ya know ... even unpopular/minority opinion/speech is protected by our First Amendment, after all.

I've no idea what you're talking about. Our constitution and bill of rights confers no special or protected status of one of group over another. Of course unpopular speech is protected. That was the point of the first amendment. That doesn't extend to liars perpetrating fake "hate crimes".

As for the "US Bureau of Legal Statistics", perhaps you meant this:

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Hate Crime

I think you missed my point on the whole premise of "hate crime". I'm asserting it's a fiction created for nefarious reasons, elevating certain groups of people over others, and I reject that, as our founders would.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

I assume most of us here agree that the majority of actual hate crimes are done for the same reasons - to demonize innocent people and foment wide-spread violence.

JS did nobody any favors, least of all himself. To say the least, imo. It’s all bad; it’s all illegal.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

I've no idea what you're talking about. Our constitution and bill of rights confers no special or protected status of one of group over another. Of course unpopular speech is protected. That was the point of the first amendment. That doesn't extend to liars perpetrating fake "hate crimes".

As for the "US Bureau of Legal Statistics", perhaps you meant this:

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Hate Crime

I think you missed my point on the whole premise of "hate crime". I'm asserting it's a fiction created for nefarious reasons, elevating certain groups of people over others, and I reject that, as our founders would.

It’s clear you disagree.

Respectfully, Im not here to argue with you, or anyone else, for that matter.

I do, however, kindly invite you to consider sourcing your statements if you desire to assert them as factual, especially as they relate to the JS case. I’m curious to understand. Thank you.

 

[squareandrabbet]

In my opinion, they didn't care what anyone would think. I'm seeing the faces of the public/us, being rubbed in the dirt and more filth thrown on top of that. If the public doesn't like it, "let them eat cake". THIS is where "I" think many of our public officials are at these days. "They" will do whatever they want and don't give a crap what "we" think. The Smollett fiasco is just the latest in your face farce.

MOO

I'm with you. I care about this hoax because I am infuriated by unfairness; and I'm similarly infuriated by the type of dumb insolence JS and Kim Foxx are trying to foist upon us. There's ultimately, however, little that I hate more than flagrant disingenuousness. When people try to tell me that black is white (no pun intended) and white is black, I see red. I think, "How stupid do they think I am? They're counting on inflaming me with such emotionalism and buzzwords that they think I can't see straight, or continue to maintain a logical train of thought."

I’m surprised....I thought he’d be there preening for the cameras and playing the victim once again.

Jussie Smollett skips NAACP awards where he was nominated for a best supporting actor - as the brothers implicated in the alleged hate crime see their fitness business boom in the wake of the scandal

Jussie Smollett skips NAACP awards | Daily Mail Online

This might be the first sensible thing he's done in weeks.

 

[Artis]

My link was sourced correctly, but many thanks for pointing out the typo anyway, even though it doesn’t change the source or the accurate, relevant facts it contains. You disagree with those facts, as you’ve made clear. My statements are otherwise accurate, even about the Constitution’s First Amendment. Again, you’re welcome to believe what you choose, anyway.

Respectfully, Im not here to argue with you, or anyone else, for that matter. I do, however, kindly invite you to source your statements if you desire to proffer them as factual, especially as they relate to the JS case.

I hadn't seen your previous post with the link. Sorry, if it seemed I was pointing out a typo (I hate that!).

I'm not sure what it is you're referring to about the first amendment. It doesn't establish protected groups of people or victims which is the intent of "hate crime" laws. These need to be done away with. The same actors who have pushed through hate crime laws would like to push through "hate speech" laws, which they've not succeeded in doing - yet. They must be stopped. This is a threat to freedom and the first amendment! These ideas, totalitarian in nature, are in direct opposition to our constitutional republic.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

First Amendment’s role is to protect unpopular speech – Orange County Register

The tyranny of the minority: A post-Charlottesville theory of the First Amendment

 

[Judith Sleuth]

Why do you keep referring to that??? I'm trying to understand your point. What does that have to do with people faking "hate crimes" or any crime?

Clearly, I’m not defending the false reporting of crimes. To infer otherwise is contrary to what I’ve actually stated here.

I agree with your statement that crime is crime. Illegal acts are illegal acts. They should be prosecuted. Yes?

To be fair, you brought up the constitution and bill of rights. I replied to your statements in the context in which you couched them, and did so fairly & without hostility.

I’ll go skip stones on a calmer pond. Have a good evening.

 

[katydid23]

But the NAACP Awards aren't until tonight, correct?

They were filmed already and are replayed on yv tonight. Not live

 

[Randazzo]

There are not hundred of thousands of "hate crimes" each year.

People really should research where this un-American concept of "hate crime" and "hate speech" was spawned.

Crime is crime. No crime victim is more important than any other. This isn't Animal Farm (or is it?). The very notion of protected classes of people is an affront to human decency and our constitution.

Spot on. JS didn't file a fake report that someone graffitied a building, stole his shoes, or keyed his car. He filed a fake report that white rednecks in MAGA hats used forbidden "hate speech" and pretended to "lynch" him. He used the concept of "hate crime" because people get worked up over it.

"Hate speech" + any crime = hate crime. JS used that to his advantage.

 

[katydid23]

I would have been okay with everything dropped for Smollett, if he had admitted his part in the crime. But basically, he got off scott free, even though this is the 2nd time of lying to LEO. The fact that he didn't have to say anything is what I don't get.

Isn't the point of a Grand Jury decision to determine if there is enough evidence to follow through with a trial? The entire justice system has been treated like it is a null system.

I agree. I would have been
Fine if he was given probation and no jail time. I just wanted him to admit it was a lie.

I think a lot of people feel that way.

It is outrageous that he and his attorney continue to pretend that 2 white MAGA hat wearing dudes tried to lynch him. He needs to stop with that BS story

 

[Backstroke10]

I agree. I would have been
Fine if he was given probation and no jail time. I just wanted him to admit it was a lie.

I think a lot of people feel that way.

It is outrageous that he and his attorney continue to pretend that 2 white MAGA hat wearing dudes tried to lynch him. He needs to stop with that BS story

and the BS continues with them saying it must have been white face paint.....pathetic IMO