IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[cady]

No, it was an attempt to lessen the tension with a joke.
That's why I stated I'm getting "punchy", like slaphappy.
(Don't want anybody to think I want to punch them.)

adding - I recalled the pathologist was on vacation which delayed the coroner/task force meeting. I attempted to make an inside joke that flopped, I guess.

I understood both statements, not to worry! The Rudd statement had the qualifier "maybe" And the punchy, was just lighthearted banter. My only point was that statements can be distorted if not read in the context intended by the writer. I understood your context. JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Just read the Fox Lake Police Pension meeting has been postponed.

Fox Lake . org / civic alerts

 

[night train]

Someone needs to request the past two years arrests records of druggies from this spot because if this was such a hot spot then there would have been arrests and eventually the druggies would have moved on.

As it stands they originally claimed this was a regularly patrolled area.

I am not saying it couldn't be drugs but you can figure out just how bad it was with a simple Records request. Also wouldn't Joe know if such crimes were regular there and not confront an out of area heroin dealer?

Not making many arrests may be exactly why FL's a heroin hot spot ...............

Regularly patrolled may mean they might have checked it once or twice a day. An effective deterrent? I doubt it.

 

[vestigare]

Not making many arrests may be exactly why FL's a heroin hot spot ...............

Regularly patrolled may mean they might have checked it once or twice a day. An effective deterrent? I doubt it.

Small towns love making drug arrests. Until recently they kept all the money seized and they get a portion of the other assets like the cars and houses of the dealers and it looks good for the requests for more federal money.

There is no need to speculate. Anyone can request the records if they think this was some heroin hot spot.

 

[night train]

Agree. And absolutely a rookie move, to pursue 3 alone in swampland, knowing back up is on the way. Just my opinion

I wouldn't expect a rookie move from an old pro like Lt.Gliniewicz....But I say the same about myself every time I do something ill advised despite knowing better.

 

[cady]

Just read the Fox Lake Police Pension meeting has been postponed.

Fox Lake . org / civic alerts

Was that the meeting specifically for CG's wife? JMO

 

[cady]

I wouldn't expect a rookie move from an old pro like Lt.Gliniewicz....But I say the same about myself every time I do something ill advised despite knowing better.

From everything I have read and seen about him, I just don't think that he WOULD do that. When the possibility of the 3 being kids he knew came up, I thought that he may have gone after them to yell at them....but the kid theory is pretty much out of the picture, now. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I think if the task force thought this had anything to do with a well established drug trafficking in that town they would have hauled in all the local druggies and threatened them, offered them immunity, whatever and asked them if they knew of any specific deals going down that day in that area. If they had heard anything. Had any dealers dropped out of sight or can't be contacted all of a sudden.

And we probably would have heard they were doing this because druggies aren't very good at keeping quiet.

 

[Walker007]

It's been a while, so many posts at this point. We've been there on this before.A Cop pursuing 3 perps has a much better chance out in the open like a parking lot. Entering a wooded area all bets are off even if the cop's armed and the perps aren't .

Lt.Gliniewicz may have managed to confront 1 perp, but in the trees without having a line of sight on the other two...effectively surrounded:Absolutely not a good position to be in.


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I agree. Look at the structure in the area of the crime scene. Walking into a more dense area which includes a possible obstruction with this structure in place, it creates much more a risk rather than open field.
Here are some photos taken from MSM to review.

 

[night train]

This isn't a big town. I am sure all the LEO knew all the druggies. Anyone they didn't recognize would be out of town.

Also everyone keeps saying this was some huge heroin corridor from Wisconsin to Chicago. Police would know this.

So again why would Joe go to an area well known for drugs and heroin dealers between Chicago and Wisconsin and not request and WAIT FOR back up before chasing some suspisious possibly really bad out of town heroin dealers?

You can know within days how bad this area is.
Send a FOI request to the FLPD requesting the dates and arrests pertaining to this particular area from date.to date. They have to comply under federal and state law.

Images of Sheriff Andy Taylor, Barney, Opie, Aunt Bee and Otis the town drunk come to mind.

These days a lot of what we're seeing ain't like it used to be,some aspects of that are more than I'm comfortable posting about in the open.

 

[vestigare]

How did he manage to see these three in that terrain to begin with?

 

[Walker007]

Small towns love making drug arrests. Until recently they kept all the money seized and they get a portion of the other assets like the cars and houses of the dealers and it looks good for the requests for more federal money.

There is no need to speculate. Anyone can request the records if they think this was some heroin hot spot.

I think what you are attempting to reference is a global activity report. Which can be FOIA which is typically done on a particular address in which the report then lists all calls made at that location to 9/11/PD. Given this is an abandoned area the likelihood of a obtaining this in the accuracy that you are saying may be more difficult as the calls could span in a large range.

 

[vestigare]

Images of Sherrif Andy Taylor, Barney, Opie, Aunt Bee and Otis the town drunk come to mind.

These days a lot of what we're seeing ain't like it used to be,more than I'm comfortable posting in the open.

You would probably find we were on the same page regarding that....

 

[cady]

Just looked it up. Yes, the Police Pension Board meeting that was scheduled for Sept.23, was to discuss Gliniewicz survivor benefits. It was canceled and will be rescheduled. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I think what you are attempting to reference is a global activity report. Which can be FOIA which is typically done on a particular address in which the report then lists all calls made at that location to 9/11/PD. Given this is an abandoned area the likelihood of a obtaining this in the accuracy that you are saying umay be more difficult as the calls could span in a large range.

You can do a simple request for anything. I can request all drug related arrests from this date to this date for the entire town and then figure it out myself. OR I can specify key word like honing rd. Cement plant etc.... anything. You can be very general of very specific. Depends on what you want and how you spell you out.

 

[vestigare]

Just looked it up. Yes, the Police Pension Board meeting that was scheduled for Sept.23, was to discuss Gliniewicz survivor benefits. It was canceled and will be rescheduled. JMO

I can't see how they can make a determination on many of her benefits withOUT a coroners report anyhow.

 

[cady]

I can't see how they can make a determination on many of her benefits withOUT a coroners report anyhow.

without....yeah. JMO

 

[Walker007]

I think if the task force thought this had anything to do with a well established drug trafficking in that town they would have hauled in all the local druggies and threatened them, offered them immunity, whatever and asked them if they knew of any specific deals going down that day in that area. If they had heard anything. Had any dealers dropped out of sight or can't be contacted all of a sudden.

And we probably would have heard they were doing this because druggies aren't very good at keeping quiet.

Have you heard of the constitution? "Threaten" them? With what probable cause could they be led to these druggies to threaten them, haul them in and offer them immunity? They certainly could attempt to interview these local known habitual repeat offenders and attempt to investigate their whereabouts if there is reasonable suspicion but forcibly threatening them isn't how druggies typically spill information..... This is where having private sector investigators have more leeway. Just saying...

 

[vestigare]

without....yeah. JMO

I wonder has he even been issued a death certificate yet or is that waiting for the coroners report?

 

[cady]

Seems like they could get the ball rolling for whatever IS due for MG, notwithstanding an MOD though. I'm sure she needs an income now. JMO