IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

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  • #441
Well, I guess my question about the GPS has been answered. Sound to me like he could have possibly arrived there early enough to set up a scene? I don't know at this point. But I would be respectful of the authorities to be able to put together a full assessment of the events that went on that morning prior to making any announcements. As I said earlier, a suicide ruling will end the investigation immediately. I think we should give them enough time to put together a thorough conclusion based upon all of the evidence before making any further statements.
I think the task force should put together a cohesive and logical play by play before speaking again.

There is no reason they were evasive on the gun shot residue when logic says it was on his hands. Nor why they wouldn't tell us what the gps said etc...
 
  • #442
I don't really see the anger, but I do know that there are many people who are somewhat frustrated by the way that this case has been handled. Mind you, I do not think that anyone has been critical of the boots on the ground. Just a guess here, but I think that most people have a problem with the management rather than the workers in this case.

For me it is the heat exhaustion excuse. It just makes me cringe that if in fact they had a trail and would have lost it. And that the task force thinks it was a perfectly normal everyday excuse. Like no biggy oh well he got sick and had to be evacuated and we had loads of that so it totally happens all the time, what can you do? Next question....

I am completely frustrated with this task force and the lack of professionalism.
 
  • #443
I have to attend to some things but I am interested in your opinions. There seems to be righteous anger felt by Cady and Vestigare towards just about everything these cops have done. The police officers I've known have always wanted to do the best they could. I just have a hard time believing that they would purposefully screw up so badly.

If you have read my posts, for what they state, you would see that I am suspicious of this so-called investigation. That does not logically translate to my distrusting police, in general. I am not about to name names, because , frankly, I do not know who to name, in particular. I am one of those people who allows evidence to lead me to a conclusion, not a preconceived notion of who is good and who is bad. It is just not that simple. JMO
 
  • #444
I'm not SURE of anything, and I do not necessarily think that the officer whose dog lost the scent is lying. I do think that LE needed an explanation for why the dog and handler stopped.....in a frantic search for two white guys and a black guy, as the deceased Lieutenant reported. The community would want to know WHY. JMO
Why was the handler allowed to be out there so long as well? Someone was in charge. Someone had a map with a grid and knew what dog was doing what search where and when they began. I don't know if they were flagging as they went or Gps locating but they were mapping and someone should have said "hey charlie do you need a drink, hows the dog, got anything? Especially if charlie handler hadn't radioed in recently. Or maybe none of that was happening because this was utter chaos with people just jumping in to "help" in the manhunt without any real task or goal or procedure.

It just seems this was a lot of playing around and not alot of actual task forcing. Or command centering.
 
  • #445
Well, I guess my question about the GPS has been answered. Sound to me like he could have possibly arrived there early enough to set up a scene? I don't know at this point. But I would be respectful of the authorities to be able to put together a full assessment of the events that went on that morning prior to making any announcements. As I said earlier, a suicide ruling will end the investigation immediately. I think we should give them enough time to put together a thorough conclusion based upon all of the evidence before making any further statements.

TD Yes. But don't you think that they would have had GPS data at their fingertips on the first or second day? If they are saying he "may" have been at the scene 20 minutes before his call, don't you wonder why?
 
  • #446
TD Yes. But don't you think that they would have had GPS data at their fingertips on the first or second day? If they are saying he "may" have been at the scene 20 minutes before his call, don't you wonder why?

Did you see when the press asked Covelli about the gps?
I think that might be the first time he thought about it.
 
  • #447
TD Yes. But don't you think that they would have had GPS data at their fingertips on the first or second day? If they are saying he "may" have been at the scene 20 minutes before his call, don't you wonder why?
I wonder what excuse they will have for why he was there 20 minutes before.
Probably say he always had a cup of coffee there every morning before work....
 
  • #448
I wonder what excuse they will have for why he was there 20 minutes before.
Probably say he always had a cup of coffee there every morning before work....

Which reminds me...has anyone published a timeline from the night before to the event of his death? Where did he go, who did he see, who saw him, etc,etc. Phonecalls? Gym? coffee? HUH? JMO
 
  • #449
It was about benefits for Mel Gliniewicz. Also, I believe that in his transmission he DID say that he was pursuing and he was OFF the road. JMO

The notice was about a "Retirement Meeting" being cancelled.
The meeting would have taken place just over three weeks after CJG's death.

The info we've heard is that no retirement papers had been filed yet (prior to 9/1) along with the point the MOD is up in the air and has been for awhile now.
I'm not at all familiar with police procedures and didn't realize individual meetings are held for each person yet realize this is a special case. Still, wonder why it was scheduled (and then cancelled) so soon.
I'm curious about everything now because it all seems uncertain and is kept secret.
Just kind of wonder why the department isn't going on with their normal procedures as those may involve other people as well.

Why the point about pursuing and off the road?
What does this info indicate or cancel out in your mind?
 
  • #450
The main problem with that article is that it mostly quotes from material as reported by The Daily Herald. I.E.

“In the hours after his body was found, a K9 unit specifically trained to track gunshot residue followed a scent for more than a quarter-mile away from Gliniewicz’s gun, according to the Daily Herald. The dog followed the scent to the southeast before the dog’s handler had to stop due to fatigue and dehydration.

After the handler stopped, the dog lost the scent, according to the article”.

The other article said the same thing. Maybe I should have linked the other article? Is daily herald not trustworthy?
 
  • #451
The notice was about a "Retirement Meeting" being cancelled.
The meeting would have taken place just over three weeks after CJG's death.

The info we've heard is that no retirement papers had been filed yet (prior to 9/1) along with the point the MOD is up in the air and has been for awhile now.
I'm not at all familiar with police procedures and didn't realize individual meetings are held for each person yet realize this is a special case. Still, wonder why it was scheduled (and then cancelled) so soon.
I'm curious about everything now because it all seems uncertain and is kept secret.
Just kind of wonder why the department isn't going on with their normal procedures as those may involve other people as well.

Why the point about pursuing and off the road?
What does this info indicate or cancel out in your mind?

Well, I just read it again, to be sure. Fox Lake.org Police pension board agendas. Approval of survivor pension application of Officer Gliniewicz widow- discussion-action. Special Board Meeting Wed. Sept. 23, 2015 at 9:30 am......this is the meeting that I referred to which was canceled and was to be rescheduled. JMO. It indicates the obvious to me,that they could not discuss survivor pension benefits without knowing if his death was a homicide or a suicide. It was probably scheduled originally when they thought that by that time they would know the official MOD. JMO
 
  • #452
Case gets weirder and weirder by the minute is all I have to add.
There is something hidden or being hidden, I feel it (doesn't mean squat though).
 
  • #453
Case gets weirder and weirder by the minute is all I have to add.
There is something hidden or being hidden, I feel it (doesn't mean squat though).

No kidding. The "off the road comment" I made was a response to an earlier post which said that he was in his squad car when he made the call. The transcripts show that he told the dispatcher he was off the dirt road pursuing the two white and one black guys. JMO
 
  • #454
For people who enjoy reading this sort of thing:

This page contains detailed information about the Public Safety Officers Benefits Program (PSOB) and all other federal, state, local and privately provided benefits that may be available to survivors of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in Illinois.

https://www.odmp.org/benefits/state/illinois
 
  • #455
No kidding. The "off the road comment" I made was a response to an earlier post which said that he was in his squad car when he made the call. The transcripts show that he told the dispatcher he was off the dirt road pursuing the two white and one black guys. JMO

That might have been me. I was just speculating.
 
  • #456
I think they must have known the trail that handler was on was contaminated. The cops that came upon his body did fan out into the swamp right away so could have been the source.

I just find the entire thing absurd. That even one person had to be evacuated for heat exhaustion just blows my mind. They wouldn't last five minutes on an Alabama July day or in Iraq I guess....

All this talk about it being sooooo hot. Sorry folks. It might have been a might hot for y'all in Illinois but the rest of the world doesn't succumb to heat exhaustion in 90 degree weather after a few hours where they had access to water etc and were most likely not going full tilt for hours on end.

I would like to know when this happened and exactly how long he had been on the 1/4 mile trail?????

It is all very fishy to me and seems to just be a good way to float a story about how the k9s did have a trail and they were all working so hard they got heat stroke, blah blah blah.

I wonder how many workman comp claims were filed that day from all those helping in the manhunt?
I think there are a lot of things wrong in this investigation, but I actually don't find the heat exhaustion that odd. I would like to introduce you all to a friend ( and just all around wonderful guy) named Kyle.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2015/09/23/funeral-held-trooper/72668740/

Kyle died last week from heat exhaustion during a training exercise while trying out for a spot on an elite team of the Vermont State Police. Now the work was probably more strenuous than a dog handler, but we don't know how long the handler and dog had been in the heat.

Kyle, 28, did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in impeccable shape, and he still died from heat exhaustion in low 80 degree weather on a windy and not humid day.
 
  • #457
I think there are a lot of things wrong in this investigation, but I actually don't find the heat exhaustion that odd. I would like to introduce you all to a friend ( and just all around wonderful guy) named Kyle.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2015/09/23/funeral-held-trooper/72668740/

Kyle died last week from heat exhaustion during a training exercise while trying out for a spot on an elite team of the Vermont State Police. Now the work was probably more strenuous than a dog handler, but we don't know how long the handler and dog had been in the heat.

Kyle, 28, did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in impeccable shape, and he still died from heat exhaustion in low 80 degree weather on a windy and not humid day.

Great, but sad post. Exactly the point I was making earlier today. JMO, but there is nothing odd going on with the heat exhaustion statement, as sadly, it happens to many people throughout the country every year.

I am sorry to hear about Kyle. He sounds like an amazing guy.
 
  • #458
I think there are a lot of things wrong in this investigation, but I actually don't find the heat exhaustion that odd. I would like to introduce you all to a friend ( and just all around wonderful guy) named Kyle.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2015/09/23/funeral-held-trooper/72668740/

Kyle died last week from heat exhaustion during a training exercise while trying out for a spot on an elite team of the Vermont State Police. Now the work was probably more strenuous than a dog handler, but we don't know how long the handler and dog had been in the heat.

Kyle, 28, did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in impeccable shape, and he still died from heat exhaustion in low 80 degree weather on a windy and not humid day.
It wouldn't be news if it weren't odd. Come back and introduce me to the toxicology reports when those are returned.
 
  • #459
Montjoy....my suspicious mind is tossing the idea that no one was exhausted, (despite LE saying that several people had to be evacuated), rather, the dog stopped at a terminal of the residue scent. It may have been the beginning of it as opposed to the end. JMO I don't think the dog tried to go further, which is why no other dog and handler took over. JMO
I do know MSM reported during the manhunt they were taking LE to the hospital due to heat exhaustion.
 
  • #460
I think there are a lot of things wrong in this investigation, but I actually don't find the heat exhaustion that odd. I would like to introduce you all to a friend ( and just all around wonderful guy) named Kyle.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2015/09/23/funeral-held-trooper/72668740/

Kyle died last week from heat exhaustion during a training exercise while trying out for a spot on an elite team of the Vermont State Police. Now the work was probably more strenuous than a dog handler, but we don't know how long the handler and dog had been in the heat.

Kyle, 28, did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in impeccable shape, and he still died from heat exhaustion in low 80 degree weather on a windy and not humid day.

Terrible to read of Kyle's misfortune.

It happens,what a lot of people don't understand about the Northern Illinois/Southern Wisconsin area is that the window of time of relatively hot weather is short and it's really common to see people who don't adapt well.

I say this as someone who was raised in Central Florida,craves hot weather and can't get enough of it.Many folks in this area avoid being outside when it's any warmer than the low 80's.

I've ridden thousands of miles on Motorcycles in this area,after staring at snow all winter long,there's nothing better to me than being in the wind at 60 mph no matter how it is.I still laugh at how empty typically busy biker type hangouts are when the temps rise.That said not hydrating can sneak up on you in a bad way,been there done that.
 
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