IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[cady]

I hope Mrs. Gliniewicz doesn't hold her breath waiting on a call from the White House. Not going to happen.

Why? Do you suppose? JMO

 

[vestigare]

I hope Mrs. Gliniewicz doesn't hold her breath waiting on a call from the White House. Not going to happen.

I don't mean to be rude to her but he was reserves military which is slightly different than say active duty 20 years military. He also didn't die in war so his military service isn't really a concern to his ex-commander in chief. Obama would spend all day on the phone if he called every ex military when they died.

As for not calling him when he was killed on duty. Well that hasn't been officially determined. Maybe he is waiting.

He also might have seen her or his social media and thought better not call someone who has been vocal against me....

 

[longlonglake]

TY Longlake. In your facebook travels, have you seen any photos of him with a taser? JMO

No, but up until yesterday, I wouldn't know what one looked like. I suppose it would be in the pockets of the vest or around his belt? I wish I could post pictures.

 

[cady]

Was he talking about the new vest around the time that he was talking about losing weight? Recently or last year? JMO

 

[Cubby]

http://crimewatchdaily.com/videos/0-sk9jprum/
'GI JOE'S WIDOW: 'NOT ONE WORD' FROM PRES. OBAMA

At least she asked for someone to come forward....

Yes, and at least they mentioned the $100,000 reward.

 

[Cubby]

Now, the Associated Press says an official familiar with the investigation says one of the bullets was fired at an angle that allowed it to enter his chest above his vest in a downward direction.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/fatal-shot-entered-lt-gliniewiczs-chest-above-vest-report-says/978844/



Ok, I guess the shot did not enter "under the vest"..... Still hard to imagine how it was able to get him where it did with a downward trajectory if someone other than the LT fired the shot.

 

[Chuz Life]

Cady, I think it's still possible that the Lt intentionally shot himself twice (aiming for his vest) to try to make it look like he was ambushed. He might have intended to survive his staged attack to grab some headlines or for other reasons. Who knows why?

If (that's a big if) . . . IF that's what he was up to - he may have missed his vest on the 2nd shot and as we know, that shot resulted in his death.

That is possible but I can not think how they would ever prove it unless he did some computer searches on workmans comp recently and was interested in other officer shootings.

I can think of only one way the forensic evidence could point more towards an accidental suicide than an intentional one in this case.

I think it would have a lot to do with the precise angle and placement of the fatal shot.

For example, If the fatal shot was fired in such a way that the muzzle of the gun was shoved behind the front neck area of the vest and then fired? That would not be consistent with an attempt to make it look like an ambush - where the Lt intended to survive the struggle. He would know that would not be survivable.

However, if the second shot was to the chest area of his vest and he simply missed the protective portion of his vest?

Then it becomes possible and much more believable that his intent was to shoot himself in the vest and survive the hit - no expecting that the shot would go so wrong.

This is why I would like to know more about the 2nd shot.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I can think of only one way the forensic evidence could point more towards an accidental suicide than an intentional one in this case.

I think it would have a lot to do with the precise angle and placement of the fatal shot.

For example, If the fatal shot was fired in such a way that the muzzle of the gun was shoved behind the front neck area of the vest and then fired? That would not be consistent with an attempt to make it look like an ambush - where the Lt intended to survive the struggle. He would know that would not be survivable.

However, if the second shot was to the chest area of his vest and he simply missed the protective portion of his vest?

Then it becomes possible and much more believable that his intent was to shoot himself in the vest and survive the hit - no expecting that the shot would go so wrong.

This is why I would like to know more about the 2nd shot.

What is an accidental suicide? There is no accidental suicide option for the manner of death. It's suicide homicide natural accidental or undetermined.

Now I know you will say its when you accidentally kill yourself. But the 2nd shot was no accident. It was intentional. Now an accidental suicide would be playing Russian roulette while thinking the gun was empty and accidentally killing yourself. Jmo

 

[Chuz Life]

Cady, I think it's still possible that the Lt intentionally shot himself twice (aiming for his vest) to try to make it look like he was ambushed. He might have intended to survive his staged attack to grab some headlines or for other reasons. Who knows why?

If (that's a big if) . . . IF that's what he was up to - he may have missed his vest on the 2nd shot and as we know, that shot resulted in his death.

What is an accidental suicide? There is no accidental suicide option for the manner of death. It's suicide homicide natural accidental or undetermined.

Now I know you will say its when you accidentally kill yourself. But the 2nd shot was no accident. It was intentional. Now an accidental suicide would be playing Russian roulette while thinking the gun was empty and accidentally killing yourself. Jmo

I'm not a lawyer, but I would imagine that trying to fake a shooting to make it look like you were ambushed and then you unintentionally kill yourself in that (criminal) act? That would probably be legally recorded as a "suicide."

When I consider the possibility that it may not have been the Lt's "intent" to kill himself in this act - it's only for the purpose of trying to better understand what might have actually happened and what his intentions might have been.

 

[Chuz Life]

What is an accidental suicide? There is no accidental suicide option for the manner of death. It's suicide homicide natural accidental or undetermined.

Now I know you will say its when you accidentally kill yourself. But the 2nd shot was no accident. It was intentional. Now an accidental suicide would be playing Russian roulette while thinking the gun was empty and accidentally killing yourself. Jmo

You seem to have contradicted yourself.

Also, given your example of a (Russian roulette) accidental suicide. . . can you not see that the belief your vest will protect you is not that different from the belief that the gun was empty?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I'm not a lawyer, but I would imagine that trying to fake a shooting to make it look like you were ambushed and unintentionally killing yourself in that (criminal) act would probably be legally recorded as a "suicide."

When I consider the possibility that it may not have been the Lt's "intent" - it's only for the purpose of trying to better understand what might have actually happened and what his intentions might have been.

Agree. I know we are all throwing out possibles. But I think a shot to the thigh or arm would have sufficed for that theory.

 

[Chuz Life]

Agree. I know we are all throwing out possibles. But I think a shot to the thigh or arm would have sufficed for that theory.

Why needlessly suffer an injury when you can stage the same scene by shooting your vest instead?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why needlessly suffer an injury when you can stage the same scene by shooting your vest instead?

CL. The first shot hit the vest. So if he was doing it to get injured in the line of duty while wanting to show he was actually wounded. Then it would have been easier and safer for a leg shot. But then he would have to give descriptions and help catch bad guys that didn't exist. So what would he have done then?

So i don't think his plan was to simply orchestrate a line of duty shooting injury. Jmo

 

[looking4OPH]

[h=1]How much is Gliniewicz investigation costing taxpayers? [/h]

In the first three weeks after the still-unsolved Sept. 1 shooting death of Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz, taxpayers in 50 suburban jurisdictions paid more than $300,000 combined to cover costs of local law enforcement personnel who assisted in the investigation.

According to a Daily Herald analysis of personnel records from the 50 police agencies throughout northern Illinois, almost two-thirds of the costs -- $196,351 -- were related to overtime, including some for officers who were paid to attend Gliniewicz's Sept. 7 funeral.
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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151007/news/151009104/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[vestigare]

[h=1]How much is Gliniewicz investigation costing taxpayers? [/h]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151007/news/151009104/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I wrote to a few local news agencies asking them to please do a story on this. I am so glad someone is finally questioning the expenditures.

Just as I suspected there was not a lot of "volunteering" going on here. People would also be surprise how often cops are paid to attend funerals of other cops.


These figures don't even include the cost of lab work, fuel, workman comp claims, nor the federal cost.

 

[vestigare]

[h=1]How much is Gliniewicz investigation costing taxpayers? [/h]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151007/news/151009104/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

That figure also didn't include any loss of business income from the lock down of the town right around a holiday weekend.

 

[vestigare]

Because the funeral was held on Labor Day, officers were paid double to work the holiday in some instances, according to the analysis.

 

[vestigare]

http://www.lakecountyjournal.com/2010/03/31/fox-lake-cops-to-get-tasers/awvg6zx/?page=1

Interview with Gliniewicz from 2010 regarding the purchase of three new Tasers.

 

[vestigare]

http://www.lakecountyjournal.com/2010/03/31/fox-lake-cops-to-get-tasers/awvg6zx/?page=1

Interview with Gliniewicz from 2010 regarding the purchase of three new Tasers.

Seriously $7000 for three Tasers? Oh and training equipment........

 

[cady]

Seriously $7000 for three Tasers? Oh and training equipment........

seems excessive, but what do I know.... Anyway, does this mean that it became standard practice to carry tasers? Was there a taser attached to his belt or vest? Not a word about that. JMO