Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[Ravenmoon]

Okay....
So , this is probably irrelevant, BUT....
the eye color "thing" ....I agree with the poster that said it is likely not pertinent to the case...

BUT, on the off chance that the witness had an eye condition in which they could see blue well enough , but green and brown possibly look the same to them- could that be the reason it was seemingly taken as a fact?

So, if they can see blue and looked him in the eyes, but no blue was noted...they assumed him to have green, brown or hazel maybe.

Until today, I thought that "color blind" meant that people had no red cones. Now I see that there are 3 types and maybe it could lead to an absence of green cones which make green and blue look the same?

Just throwing out ideas...albeit it is probably a stretch.

• Protanopia (aka red-blind) – Individuals have no red cones.
• Protanomaly (aka red-weak) – Individuals have red cones and can usually see some shades of red.
• Deuteranopia (aka green-blind) – Individuals have no green cones.

Adding from Healthline this statement:

Why do I see blue instead of green?


Tritanomaly occurs when the S-cones (short wavelength cones) of the eye are present but dysfunctional. If you have tritanomaly, blue and green will look alike, and red and yellow will look alike. Tritanopia occurs when the S-cones of the eye are missing, which causes colors to look dampened.
AMOO JMO MOO

EBM to add statement about Tritanomaly

 

[JnRyan]

I guess what has always struck me as odd about the eye color is simply its existence in the description with the sketch. I've seen eye color mentioned in a missing person poster, but I can't recall it in relation to a sketch or description of a suspect. A sketch with possible height, weight, hair color or scars, but not eye color. Was this a subtle way of relaying to the killer, "We have witnesses AND they were close enough to you to notice your eye color!"?

Maybe the eye color has been mentioned in a suspect description, but I don't recall.

 

[stattlich1]

I sat on a witness stand one time, years ago. I've experienced the prosecuting, and defense attorneys questioning. The cross examination.

"so you were close enough to see the defendant?"

"why yes"

"and so you were really close, had him up against a wall, face to face?"

"yes sir"

"and then, as a result of that, can you tell me the defendants eye color?"

I'm not going to go in to the entire line of questioning, but any witness who claims to know a defendant's eye color is NOT blue, yet doesn't know the color of the defendants eyes, very well may be subjected to some brutal line of questioning from the defense.

Yeah, the eye color may not matter, probably doesn't, yet, I would assume it will come up in a court case should this idiot ever be apprehended.

 

[TheVisual]

yeah they are probably black and cold and a bottomless pit. mOO

Narcissist's are if they are in a rage!

 

[Schatz]

I could be off on this, but that whole business of the new building and needing dozens of people after the arrest sounds to me like they're about to tap into a really big child ring or something like that.

As an IN resident I will say it has seemed to me there have been a lot more child busts recently than in the past - not sure if that’s only because I’m paying more attention to local news since JBC’s arrest or if that’s normal, but my suspicion has been that it’s all related.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I've never understood why that info was even released. Only thing I can think of, was it a young person who saw him? Maybe they were only able to differentiate light or dark? Maybe younger people think of blue eyes as being more light in appearance? I myself have like a dark denim blue and my brother had a dark olive green. I suppose something like those, walking by at a glance, might be confusing and you could say "not blue"? Idk, just throwing it out there.

BBM
Wow! I’ve never seen anyone or even have ever known anyone who has dark denim blue eyes other than my mother.

Maybe the witness who said that has an eidetic memory. There are less than 100 of us eidetikers in the world. Maybe one lives in Delphi. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For reference: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...an-100-people-have-a-photographic-memory/amp/
(Most people use the term photographic memory in place of eidetic. The correct terminology is “eidetic”.) YMMV

Just thinking out loud and MOOing.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Narcissist's are if they are in a rage!

Its been my experience that narcissists are darn near 100% of the time a black bottomless hole of nothing but their own selfishness with no empathy. And it’s even worse when they are enraged.
I think that if BG is in fact a narcissist, I think he’s probably the covert/vulnerable type.
But hey what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just MOOing here.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

If you have a brief encounter with a stranger do you remember or even look at the color of his eyes? No. I don’t understand the obsession with this eye color thing. It only hurts the case in the event of an arrest and trial.

Well I do. There are people who do notice these things.
For example I just met a 37 year old man for the first time today. I spoke with him for not even 5 minutes and I can tell you exactly what he looks like, what he was wearing from head to toe, his build, his approx shoe size, what shoes he was wearing, his hair, face, eye color, what he smelled like, etc. all with extraordinary meticulous accuracy. I even remember what vehicle he was driving, the color, the tires and all of the other details of it, in/with the same precise accuracy that I mentioned above. He is forever imprinted into my mind.

So like I said there are people who notice details, even the smallest of them. We are just very few and faaaar between.

YMMV. MOO.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I have brown eyes technically but they aren't dark brown and they aren't light brown. I have no idea what colour they are and whenever someone describes them to me they're like, "Huh, what colour of brown even is that?" Eyes are funny things and trying to pin point a colour when you pass someone - likely quickly - would be pretty difficult unless you were paying a lot of attention imo. Your comment about blue generally being light in appearance and therefore more noticeable is probably spot on.

Technically speaking the color is Amber. They are considered to be quite rare.
JMVHO.

 

[cujenn81]

Haven't you ever seen a person where you could tell if the person's eyes were light or dark but not what specific color? And blue eyes stand out compared to other light colored eyes like grey. Blue eyes are pretty distinctive, but hazel and brown not so much. I predict BG will have brown or hazel or greenish or greyish eyes. Not blue.

That’s not always the case, though. Similar to the person who posted about their dark blue eyes upthread, my blue eyes aren’t very distinctive — as you can see from these pictures. Both photos are zoomed in / cropped images of my eyes — the first was taken from a very short distance away and the second from about 5 or 6 feet. You can clearly see that my eyes are blue if the camera is right in my face, but the color is much harder to discern from just a few feet away.

 

[sunshineray]

The FBI may have contacted ISP about KAK but could the FBI have had knowledge of KAK prior to the murders? I wonder if one of KAK's phones pinged in the area of Delphi around the times of the murder. Any information leading to A&L was more than likely wiped from KAK's Iphone5. Libby's phone had been reset just prior to the murder and any info leading back to anthony shots may have taken time to recover. We just don't know but I can not imagine if they could have connected A&L to KAK or any anthony shots profile in 2017 in any way this would not have been ignored. I still think that this info is what was in reference to when said "they were on to something early on". They received info from the FBI early in 2019 about the connection and this led to the new direction in 2019. This is all IMHO.

I think the word I'd probably use is not "ignored" but overlooked...hence the part of ISP's statement that a mishap wasn't intentionally done. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

If you have a brief encounter with a stranger do you remember or even look at the color of his eyes? No. I don’t understand the obsession with this eye color thing. It only hurts the case in the event of an arrest and trial.

I agree that info was not helpful. But yes I think most people do look at the eyes. IMO it's the quickest way to judge a stranger's mood...body language is very important too but the eyes are my first go to when encountering a stranger.

 

[sunshineray]

On page 2 of the probable cause affidavit, I'm really curious about the redactions regarding the polygraph test. The first one says Keegan and Sergeant Collins "spoke about this incident and case, (redaction)." The second one says "Keegan's polygraph questions were based on case, (redaction)."

Are the redactions a case number?

I'd say so and I'd also venture to say it was the Delphi girl's case number, AJMO

 

[cuecard]

Technically speaking the color is Amber. They are considered to be quite rare.
JMVHO.

They aren’t light enough to be amber, I don’t think. It’s strange. They sometimes look darker brown and sometimes lighter. I’m abit of an anomaly I think!

But regardless, if someone walked past me I don’t think they’d have a clue what my eye colour was.

 

[carbuff]

They aren’t light enough to be amber, I don’t think. It’s strange. They sometimes look darker brown and sometimes lighter. I’m abit of an anomaly I think!

But regardless, if someone walked past me I don’t think they’d have a clue what my eye colour was.

My eyes are like that too. If I look closely, I see they're mostly dark brown, with gold flecks, but from farther away they might look either color.

My youngest has gray or hazel eyes. If she's wearing a blue shirt, they look blue. If she's standing in front of an orange wall, they look like polished steel. If she wears green, her eyes look brown.

The wording of "not blue" is the kind of phrasing I expect from a Parabon-style analysis. And they could have enough DNA for that sort of analysis without having enough for a positive ID. The information is in different parts of the genome.

 

[JnRyan]

That’s not always the case, though. Similar to the person who posted about their dark blue eyes upthread, my blue eyes aren’t very distinctive — as you can see from these pictures. Both photos are zoomed in / cropped images of my eyes — the first was taken from a very short distance away and the second from about 5 or 6 feet. You can clearly see that my eyes are blue if the camera is right in my face, but the color is much harder to discern from just a few feet away.

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Your eyes are darker shade of blue than mine so I hadn't considered that. After seeing your photos I looked at my reflection in a mirror from 8'-10' away and I can still see they are blue. This is indoors though. Outdoor sunshine might be better or worse.

 

[FromGermany1]

My eyes are like that too. If I look closely, I see they're mostly dark brown, with gold flecks, but from farther away they might look either color.

My youngest has gray or hazel eyes. If she's wearing a blue shirt, they look blue. If she's standing in front of an orange wall, they look like polished steel. If she wears green, her eyes look brown.

The wording of "not blue" is the kind of phrasing I expect from a Parabon-style analysis. And they could have enough DNA for that sort of analysis without having enough for a positive ID. The information is in different parts of the genome.

If I had been the witness and had been asked about the eye colour, I would have answered: blue (if they were indeed bright blue) or any colour, but not blue (if the eyes weren't bright blue). I also may have recognized dark brown eyes, perhaps, possibly. I would make a baaad witness, if the eye colour would be asked for. Other little details I would probably know.
I don't think, it's a Parabon result, when stated, that the eye colour is unknown, but is NOT BLUE. It was just someone like me, who was asked and didn't know better, no matter how close s/he was to the person.

 

[FromGermany1]

That’s not always the case, though. Similar to the person who posted about their dark blue eyes upthread, my blue eyes aren’t very distinctive — as you can see from these pictures. Both photos are zoomed in / cropped images of my eyes — the first was taken from a very short distance away and the second from about 5 or 6 feet. You can clearly see that my eyes are blue if the camera is right in my face, but the color is much harder to discern from just a few feet away.

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I'm seeing nothing blue, haha, but that's me again. Pretty eyes you have!

 

[dotr]

3 Clues to Recognize Bipolar Disorder Mania in the Eyes | Psychology Today
''Once I started asking clients to notice eye changes in a loved one, I heard many stories of how dysphoric mania turned the eyes black. An eye doctor explained, “Oh, I’m not surprised by that. It’s documented that adrenaline can make the pupil take over the eye. Mania sounds like it’s something to do with adrenaline, so I would think the eye is the same color, but the pupil is huge. This creates the the all black eye.”

Source: JulieFast/Private
''A thought to ponder: People also report eye color changes when manic. One reader sent me a picture where her normal blue eyes turned brown during a dysphoric manic episode.''

rbbm.
The Science of Eye Color | Fort Lauderdale Eye Institute (flei.com)
''Change your mood, change your color
The iris is the part of the eye that carries the color. It is a muscle that expands and contracts to control the size of the pupil. The pupil gets bigger in low light and smaller in bright light. It also changes shape based on what you are doing, shrinking when you are doing close up things such as reading.

The cool thing is that when the pupil changes size, the pigments in the iris compress or spread apart. This changes the eye color to a degree.

The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You’ve probably heard people say your eyes change color when you’re angry, and that probably is true.''

 

[FromGermany1]

I think, if BG had taken some "stuff", his eyes would have been darker also (because of wide pupils).